patrick.net

A realtor friend told me, "I just turn the lights off and on. I have no liability". Made me think differently about this business and people.

zzyzzx says

Fuck Supras. A $25 Home Depot lock box works just fine. Love or hate Realtors®, they have a lot of rackets to fleece them of their money. Like a ton. Those things costs us probably $1-2k per year. No longer in the industry, so don't feel sorry for me.

Fact is those are no more difficult to break into than any other lockbox. It's simply to track the showing time from opening and returning the key. I can promise I've broken into more homes and lockboxes than anyone on Patnet. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get into most people homes. It's why I have 12 exterior cameras. Mind you this was for working and 100% legal when I broke into homes.

The action is still hot here in rural Chicagoland though. Prices are slowly stalling, but still selling quickly. People are fleeing cities and can work from home. So my area is still doing well even with the massive inflation.

One thing I realized this morning (random tangent). There's a ton of bus driver shortages. I don't know if it's all states, but legal weed I think is a massive issue. You have to get drug tested... These are $30-40/hr jobs that school districts are desperate for here in IL. Legal weed is awesome, but I do feel like certain sectors are put in a hard spot. I definitely don't want someone high driving my kids to school. I'd also like to side hustle for that easy money driving a bus...

I'm thoroughly confused with this economy.

WookieMan says

These are $30-40/hr jobs that school districts are desperate for here in IL

Those are also part time jobs and you have to deal with annoying children.

AF once told me that a good realtor is like a good rapist

Whatever happened to him?

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

These are $30-40/hr jobs that school districts are desperate for here in IL

Those are also part time jobs and you have to deal with annoying children.

Agreed. It's just easy money though. If you can combine it with a full time job, even blue collar, there's no reason someone cannot make $120k a year doing low intensity labor 50-60 hours/wk. The kids would piss me off, so I get that. Just tell them to shut the fuck up...lol. I'm kind of being serious. Kids need a dose of reality and not just getting spoiled or whatever they want.

Again, this is a tangent, but the fact is if you want money it's not too hard to come by.

WookieMan says

the fact is if you want money it's not too hard to come by.

How? Give me some ideas please

Seller cuts secret deal with buyer to sell house after contract expires to get out of paying commission.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/xs5fyz/seller_cuts_secret_deal_with_buyer_to_sell_house/

BayArea says

AF once told me that a good realtor is like a good rapist

Whatever happened to him?

AF transcended the thin membrane that separates genius from insanity and Pat had to ban him. He pops in from time to time under alias with his recognizable themes, but not very often any more.

https://thinkrealstate.com/can-a-realtor-refuse-to-submit-your-offer/#What_To_Do_When_the_Realtor_Refuses_to_Submit_Your_Offer

Can a realtor refuse to submit your offer?

The devil's anus

gabbar says

WookieMan says

the fact is if you want money it's not too hard to come by.

How? Give me some ideas please

I literally just gave one in my comment... In the current environment nobody wants to work. United airlines in Chicagoland is giving $10k bonuses for $25-30/hr to baggage handlers. Is that retire early or fuck you money, no. But you can make above average money with a HS diploma? Absolutely. Plus perks of free flight.

My wife sells, but has construction crews. They're desperate for hires. IL pays prevailing wage and has overtime laws. They generally make $90k per year sitting and driving in a truck and most don't need a CDL. Low level manual labor if any. 3-4 months off collecting unemployment bringing the total to probably $110k and most have trucks and plow and shit in the IL winter. Some of the guys didn't graduate HS.

Caveat is the schedule is generally not flexible in some of these roles. You can make $100k rather easily depending on your family situation. I've shifted to part time because my wife can make $300k. So i'm the kid dad and bring home the vacation and mortgage income. The rest is funny money and retirement investment.... and fucking taxes....

Public works is a low barrier of entry. My neighbor friend was a locator (gas, electric, etc. buried lines). He was getting $17/hr previously. Now got a job with a village for $30/hr. Just applied for a job and WILL get it for $50/hr. No college. Benefits and pension. Again, hours are generally not flexible, but it keeps the bills paid and when you have time off you have money to enjoy it.

If you're a dude there is work 100%. A woman has it harder since they generally cannot handle manual or physical labor. Hell even people that didn't get degrees and get technical training can make bank. My buddy is making $150k with no college degree and learned coding on his own. If you're lacking money or wondering how to get work it's more of a confidence thing in my opinion, at least currently. Businesses and government are desperate for employees. They'd hire a dog if they got 25% of the job done....

Booger says

Seller cuts secret deal with buyer to sell house after contract expires to get out of paying commission.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/xs5fyz/seller_cuts_secret_deal_with_buyer_to_sell_house/

Odd. Listing realtors will keep a log of everyone who sees the house while it is under the listing agreement. The typical contract has a provision where if the seller sells to a buyer who saw the house during the listing period, the seller still owes the commission. This post listing protection usually is a year long. That provision is especially enforceable if the buyer was brought in with a buyer's agent.

In the past, I have contacted a buyer before he lists and made an offer. However, the buyer thinks he will get a higher net price if he used a Realtor, so when he lists, I have my name added to an exclusion list. That way I can buy when the listing expires, and no commission is owed.

WookieMan says

In the current environment nobody wants to work.

That seems to be the problem young people. People willing to leave the familiarity of their hometown, live cheap (room of a rented house with a roommate), and work 60-80 hours a week at some job that actually needs doing will do fine, assuming they read/write/speak English and are legal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/realtors/comments/y1dxgu/1870_agents_have_quit_the_mls_just_this_morning/

1,870 agents have quit the MLS just this morning

zzyzzx says

Never get a buyer broker. Just go straight to the listing brokers. They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.

Some people are idiots though. We got a dual agency deal on a $2.2M home at 6%. That one alone paid all expenses and my salary for the year. Maybe spent 8 hours on it marketing and showings...

WookieMan says

They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.

So you tell them to cut the price 3% and not have to deal with another agent?

And I think we should collectively troll r/realtors

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.

So you tell them to cut the price 3% and not have to deal with another agent?

And I think we should collectively troll r/realtors

Basically. With the internet you can find a house just as easy as calling a buyer's broker. Just tell the listing agent you don't represent me, I'll let my attorney handle it. No commission on the buy side of the HUD.

The listing agent will try to sell you on dual agency. Tell them to fuck off. You 100% cannot represent two people in the same transaction fairly. They know it too. They just hope you don't. They'll (listing agent) will tell you they're cutting the commission to 4% from 5% and getting you a lower price. It's a con. And it's legal somehow.

As a buyer YOU have all the leverage. Whether the HUD shows the seller paying commission, YOU are paying the commission for both sides. You are the one with the money. No one gets paid if you don't buy. Hence why I'd go direct to the listing agent, not agree to dual agency. They'll get the deal done 99% of the time to be done with the listing. Listings are where the $$$ is at, but sellers are a fucking pain in the ass deal with.

15 years of my life with people bitching about why their house isn't selling. You didn't fucking listen. Biggest mistake is pricing high and/or not keeping a clean house. From their (god dammit - there) (edit) a horse could sell a house. It's not complicated. Ugh... giving me flashback zzyzzx. Damn you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/realtors/comments/yf40w1/how_to_respond_to_a_listing_agent_requesting_that/

How to respond to a listing agent requesting that I reduce my commission on the deal to get it done.

Realtor going to their second job:

I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.

I have taken a page from the Globalists and shoot my Realtors after the deal is done so they can't enjoy their commission.

HeadSet says

I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.

Agreed. Although, I still have a lot of respect for someone on welfare IF they're aggressively working towards self sufficiency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/37percent-of-real-estate-agents-in-the-us-couldnt-afford-to-pay-their-rent-in-october-—-another-bad-sign-for-the-housing-market-here-are-3-key-takeaways-for-sellers-right-now/ar-AA148gt9

37% of real estate agents in the US couldn't afford to pay their rent in October

Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.

DD214 says

Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.

flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.

they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.

master negotiator skill

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price

Nice thought however your % may be less than what they can game you for.

Car sales, furniture sales, - as a consumer your goal is to get the item at the least possible cost and as a commission earner your goal is to make as much money as you can for yourself even it that means being unethical, not that such a thing would ever occur

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

master negotiator skill

Master Negotiator vs Unethical Pathologically Lying Sales Person.

I will go with the latter option to win

DD214 says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

master negotiator skill

Unethical Pathologically Lying Sales Person.

I will go with the latter option to win

A real estate agent once told me, "I didn't create the system". I guess this is how he justified his actions. In this business, most of it is lying/rip off/fraud and this is what is distinct about it.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

lip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.

they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.

master negotiator skill

Why do that? Just say you will not buy the house unless the price comes down to X. Then each realtor is looking at either 3% of the lower price or nothing.

A colostomy bag is worse than a realtor.
They both are shitty, but You can get rid of a realtor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/zy1r88/lost_all_on_the_market_i_work_real_estate_both/

The commentary is priceless!

HeadSet says

I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.

Explain further please?

GNL says

Explain further please?

I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.

HeadSet says

GNL says

Explain further please?

I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.

1,000%. I'm an angry dude, but I HATE my SIL. I'll be cordial with her unless she gets out of line. She did one time and I physically had to put her in her place. Love my nephew, but she gets free food, rent support, child support, dependent tax write offs, etc. She knows the game. AND we take care of her kid. I'm glad we're able. But 6 fucking DUI's.

Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven. In 24 years or so of having a license, ZERO DUI's. Two speeding tickets when I was young and dumb. 16 and 18. I can't comprehend how a person can get 6 DUI's. Then gets child support from the government because baby daddy is in prison. She makes up for her fuck ups by spending $150 on a pair of Jordans for a kid that will wear them for a year. I wish I had knocked her ass out in the aforementioned physical altercation.

WookieMan says

Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven.

Don't drink and drive.

If you killed somebody, you'll want to kill yourself. Just don't bother with it. Sleep it off in the car, or take a taxi, or walk. Imagine if you caused an accident, or even were just involved with an accident that wasn't your fault, and a child died? If you're intoxicated, you're fucked either way, and even if the accident isn't your fault, you could have possibly prevented it if you were sober.

GNL says

HeadSet says

I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.

Explain further please?

Explanation? Or illustration?

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

DD214 says

Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.

flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.

they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.

master negotiator skill

Can you explain this in more detail please?