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US Government ignoring Constitution thread


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2022 Nov 23, 9:32pm   988 views  21 comments

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https://notthebee.com/article/the-biden-administration-is-extending-the-student-loan-freeze-for-another-seven-months-while-its-loan-forgiveness-program-gets-tangled-up-in-legal-challenges


The Biden administration is extending the student loan freeze for another seven months because apparently Biden can just do whatever he wants now

Seriously this is just embarrassing on an international level. Total administrative chaos mixed with extralegal government-by-fiat. ...

Seriously — this is just ridiculous. I mean, the loan forgiveness thing seems patently unconstitutional. But even the nonstop, never-ending freezes seem completely out of the purview of the president himself.

Where does one man get the authority to control the debt of 40,000,000 Americans?



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1   richwicks   2022 Nov 23, 9:45pm  

The students loans will NOT be forgiven!

They are a major ASSET of the Federal Reserve.

Biden is just lying, just like he lied about giving a $2,000 covid relief check once he got "elected" (or installed).
2   Misc   2022 Nov 23, 10:48pm  

Congress gave him the authority when they passed the HEROES act.

Congress has delegated an absurd amount of discretion to the Executive Branch. Basically because Congress Critters have basically no knowledge of how things work in practicality. They allow Departments and Agencies of the Executive Branch to make rules and regulations that have the force of laws.

Under the HEROES Act they gave the president complete control over the terms and conditions of the Student Loan program. So, yes, he can cancel the debt.

We will see if the Supreme Court upholds the law giving the president this authority.

This is one of many reasons the "Emergency" has been prolonged.
3   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 24, 2:13am  

Misc says

Congress has delegated an absurd amount of discretion to the Executive Branch. Basically because Congress Critters have basically no knowledge of how things work in practicality. They allow Departments and Agencies of the Executive Branch to make rules and regulations that have the force of laws.

This is a major problem with our system the founders didn't foresee.

An era when the Treasury department would be more than a few dozen clerks.
4   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Nov 24, 3:59am  

Did the Senate ever vote on the HEROES Act? The bill does not become law until the Senate also passes it.
5   RayAmerica   2022 Nov 24, 6:00am  

If the Constitution were strictly followed, about 90%, or more, of the Federal Government would have to be shut down.
6   clambo   2022 Nov 24, 7:36am  

There are numerous departments of the government which are likely unconstitutional.
1. housing
2. education
3. energy
4. FBI
5. IRS

In the "good old days" there was no IRS, no ATF, no FBI. Taxes on tobacco, liquor spirits and foreign goods tariffs were collected, and there was no income tax.
WWI, women's right to vote, Prohibition were the beginning of the downward spiral.
The 14th Amendment does not confer automatic citizenship to the children of people here illegally according the the correct reading of it.
The whole thing is scary; the USA is being more controlled by asshole bureaucrats like Fauci every day.
7   stfu   2022 Nov 24, 11:17am  

The constitution was a mistake and most things in the anti-federalist papers have come to pass

We would either be better off, or possibly speaking German if the congress had stuck with the articles of confederation.

Under those terms the Central government was inferior to the states with no real codified method of changing that
8   Ceffer   2022 Nov 24, 12:01pm  

RayAmerica says


If the Constitution were strictly followed, about 90%, or more, of the Federal Government would have to be shut down.

The foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC does not follow the Constitution, it interprets the Constitution at its pleasure for the chattels known as the citizens of the Republic of the United States. Otherwise, loosey goosey, corruption rampant Roman Law administers the law of DC, and British Maritime law is reserved for the slave chattels.
9   zzyzzx   2022 Dec 6, 7:52am  

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/supreme-court-tackles-biden-student-loan-plan.html

Supreme Court likely to rule that Biden student loan plan is illegal, experts say. Here’s what that means for borrowers
10   Onvacation   2022 Dec 6, 8:06am  

zzyzzx says

Here’s what that means for borrowers

PAY YO' MONEY BACK!
11   Misc   2022 Dec 7, 3:41am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


Did the Senate ever vote on the HEROES Act? The bill does not become law until the Senate also passes it.


That was under the HEROES Act of 2003. Yep, passed both Chambers and signed by the Prez.
12   Misc   2022 Dec 7, 3:47am  

zzyzzx says

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/supreme-court-tackles-biden-student-loan-plan.html

Supreme Court likely to rule that Biden student loan plan is illegal, experts say. Here’s what that means for borrowers


I would not trust a MSM expert. The media is simply against the student loan cancellation because for a change it benefits the little people instead of the elite. They are trying to sway the court opinion with all their negative press.
13   richwicks   2022 Dec 7, 5:24am  

Misc says

I would not trust a MSM expert. The media is simply against the student loan cancellation because for a change it benefits the little people instead of the elite. They are trying to sway the court opinion with all their negative press.


Student loan debts are considered an ASSET by the US Federal government. Our government isn't going to erase that.

It's not going to happen because of THAT reason. The Department of Education is HEAVILY invested in these bonds. The whole point of federalizing student loans, was a scam.
14   HeadSet   2022 Dec 7, 3:10pm  

richwicks says

The whole point of federalizing student loans, was a scam.

In my opinion. I think federalizing student loans by Obama was strictly to acquire a loan forgiveness vote buying tactic, to use when needed.
15   HeadSet   2022 Dec 7, 3:12pm  

Misc says

The media is simply against the student loan cancellation because for a change it benefits the little people instead of the elite.

It benefits the colleges. If the degrees were worth their cost, the kids could pay off the loans with the resulting high paying jobs.
16   richwicks   2022 Dec 8, 8:26am  

HeadSet says

Misc says


The media is simply against the student loan cancellation because for a change it benefits the little people instead of the elite.

It benefits the colleges. If the degrees were worth their cost, the kids could pay off the loans with the resulting high paying jobs.


No, the colleges are not the ones doing the loans. The Federal government is. The colleges have already been paid, by the federal government.

There is NO RISK at all by the colleges making a student pay $200,000 for a degree in anything.
18   HeadSet   2022 Dec 8, 2:46pm  

richwicks says

HeadSet says


Misc says



The media is simply against the student loan cancellation because for a change it benefits the little people instead of the elite.

It benefits the colleges. If the degrees were worth their cost, the kids could pay off the loans with the resulting high paying jobs.



No, the colleges are not the ones doing the loans. The Federal government is. The colleges have already been paid, by the federal government.

There is NO RISK at all by the colleges making a student pay $200,000 for a degree in anything.

I think we agree here. I say the colleges benefit because once current loans are forgiven, future students will be encouraged to pay even higher prices for worthless degrees.
19   Misc   2022 Dec 8, 10:03pm  

Once upon a time, there was (ok still is) a private company called "Sallie Mae". Primarily it, but a slew of other private lenders, as well, made the bulk of student loans. Student loans could not be discharged in bankruptcy.

Well, some enterprising analysts found one day that "Sallie Mae" bonds paid a higher interest rate than the loans it was providing to the student borrowers. It was still quite profitable...wait for it...because of all the late fees, fines and added on interest rates that were charged to delinquent borrowers.

The private lenders knew that higher education was a scam and they were taking advantage of it,

Well, when these findings were starting to be reported in the press (yes, crookedness was once exposed by the press), the Federal Government stepped in with the current student loan programs.
20   HeadSet   2022 Dec 9, 8:05am  

Misc says

Well, when these findings were starting to be reported in the press (yes, crookedness was once exposed by the press), the Federal Government stepped in with the current student loan programs.

To keep the higher education scam going.

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