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NuttBoxer says

Electric is more expensive, and really hard to heat accurately.

When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke.

There are no jokes in the Twilight Zone.

Time to get a bigger tank. And start composting.

REpro says

I was always amaze how gas water heater and gas furnace need by code fumes carry out over the roof, but kitchen gas stove fumes you can enjoy as much as you can.

I've never smelled any fumes. As far as I know, they would only come from gas that is leaked rather than burned. We are heavily into preventative and alternative health, and while I do learn new things all the time, I've never, ever heard of this before.

The bigger picture people might be forgetting, in areas without electricity and natural gas, propane is used. The stoves are the same, you just change out the nipples. What are these people going to do without gas/propane stoves? Move into government slums.

2030, you'll live in squalid government housing, and you'll be ecstatic!!!

Fuck Joe Biden!

REpro says

I was always amaze how gas water heater and gas furnace need by code fumes carry out over the roof

They don't anymore. Most modern furnaces vent out the side along with water heater depending on location of utility closet or room. Just got off the phone with our architect and had been in RE for 15 years. Don't need to go through the roof unless you want the most inefficient models.

There are massive amounts of known and unknown natural gas reserves. Electric is quite possibly the worst way to cook unless it's an oven which is better than gas. Gas is also is a main source of electricity so electric is not efficient as a heating source for cooking. So you're basically paying for natural gas to be piped to a power plant and then buying the electric from them. It's a hidden tax as a good chunk of people get their electric from gas.

We're doing all gas appliances and generator besides the oven on our build. 400k BTU pool heater along with it. Piping it is more expensive, but natural gas is super cheap here in IL.

WookieMan says

Electric is quite possibly the worst way to cook unless it's an oven which is better than gas. We're doing all gas appliances and generator besides the oven on our build.

I have a DUAL FUEL range...gas burners and electric oven...Best of both worlds...Made by kitchenaid.

Is this the same fake President who shut down the gas pipeline from Canada his first few days in office for his Rockefeller patron?

Alcohol, cigarettes and weed are okay however.
Edit: and crack

How many millions of dollars worth of Crack Pipes did this administration give out for free???

Sure......they are really concerned about peoples' health.

Just turn on your range hood fan when you cook.

RC2006 says

Electric sucks

I have to disagree. If you ever try an induction stove top you will never go back to gas. It's damn near analog except that there is almost no temp variance at setpoint.

stfu says

induction stove top

I have no idea what it means but my induction cooktop absolutely pegged a gauss meter, which means you are moving in and out of a pretty intense electrical field as you cook. As I say I don't know what it means but I am certain that they would never acknowledge any health impacts if there were any. It doesn't fit the agenda like the gas stove blathering bullshit.
I ended up getting rid of it and no longer stick my face up to the microwave as it is cooking for the same reason.

We used induction at a campsite in Big Sur. Requires specific pots. Seemed very efficient, but yeah, never considered measuring for radiation...

stfu says

you will never go back to gas

Gas could provide a nice back-up for boiling water and providing heat during a power outage.

But then they can't limit your cook time via your smart meter!?

Will propane still be acceptable? If so, how can I profit from this?

This is bullshit. I used to live in a basement apartment in an apartment complex where the heating system used a hot water system that was tied to the water heating system. I got tired of not so hot showers... So I cranked up the natural gas burners on my stove and heated the apartment that way, and presumably heated the apartment upstairs as well. I noticed whenever I did that I had plenty hot water for showers. That stove was on for quite some time, with no ill effects.

Typical Commie hypocrite.

WTF is she washing her face in a frying pan?

zzyzzx says

Will propane still be acceptable? If so, how can I profit from this?

Gas stoves are built to use both, just change the nipples. But then you aren't hooked up to the grid where they can monitor every slab of meat you cook.

Patrick says

I still buy them. I remember this was supposed to happen years ago, but seems like it never did.

Robert Sproul says

I have no idea what it means but my induction cooktop absolutely pegged a gauss meter, which means you are moving in and out of a pretty intense electrical field as you cook. As I say I don't know what it means but I am certain that they would never acknowledge any health impacts if there were any. I

The way induction stove tops work, is that they induce a current in the pan, either by moving a magnet or changing the field of an electro magnet. This creates little currents in your pan, which heats it up, and this in turn heats the food.

The advantage is that you don't need "burners" anymore, and that the stovetop quickly cools down.

The disadvantage is they suck worse than even electric burners. I hate them. Also, all your cookware must be metal.

richwicks says

Also, all your cookware must be metal.

OK, I'll bite - exactly what stovetop cookware is not made of metal?

richwicks says

The advantage is that you don't need "burners" anymore, and that the stovetop quickly cools down.

The advantage is that you're heating your pan and food, instead of wasting energy heating your kitchen (which happens with gas and electric resistance coils).

HeadSet says

OK, I'll bite - exactly what stovetop cookware is not made of metal?

I you can stick a magnet to it, your cookware is likely compatible with an induction cooktop. Aluminum pans and some types of stainless steel will not work.

EBGuy says

I you can stick a magnet to it, your cookware is likely compatible with an induction cooktop. Aluminum pans and some types of stainless steel will not work.

Ah, that explains why my mother in law was unable to use her induction stove to pop popcorn in the aluminum Whirly-Pop. We thought it had to do with cycling heat or so. I can see how induction would heat iron, since iron has higher resistance that would generate heat. Aluminum and copper would conduct electricity too well to heat up. Stainless steel though, is not magnetic at all, but I presume it has enough resistance to heat up anyway. Cool, I learned an interesting item on Patnet today.

@Booger @stereotomy Please keep the overt antisemitism in https://patrick.net/post/1285044/2015-09-19-national-political-incorrectness-day

And yet, we're talking about this and not about Biden's theft of confidential documents, exactly as they want.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

Also, all your cookware must be metal.

OK, I'll bite - exactly what stovetop cookware is not made of metal?

Tempered glass pots is a thing.

EBGuy says

richwicks says

The advantage is that you don't need "burners" anymore, and that the stovetop quickly cools down.

The advantage is that you're heating your pan and food, instead of wasting energy heating your kitchen (which happens with gas and electric resistance coils).

I have no issue with gas heating the kitchen. We make most of our food outdoors in the summer and shoulder seasons depending on temps. And cook in the kitchen when it's cold. It's not to heat the house but it doesn't hurt the overall temp in cold weather. Think Thanksgiving. Our HVAC rarely turns on because of all the heat from a double oven and gas stove run constantly for a good 4 hours.

If I was in CA I'd never cook inside beside when it rains at that time I'm looking to cook or baking. I'll still grill in 20ºf temps here in IL. That's not something I'd have to worry about in CA, so I'd be doing it all outside. I have 5 grills/flattops/smokers, so I have an outdoor fleet of equipment. Outdoor cooking is where it's at. Propane or nat gas help. My Weber charcoal grill uses propane to ignite the charcoal instead of lighter fluid, which destroys the taste of the food IMO.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gas-vs-electric-stove-debate-030358891.html

In the winter the heat in the kitchen is a nice break from the cold. And it doesn't radiate by body, bonus!

https://emfacademy.com/induction-cooktop-radiation/

https://youtu.be/PIBqW3kobTY

https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-reportedly-working-on-vaccine-to-counteract-gas-stove-emissions