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I don't think you've ever worked for the government, or a contractor. Both I and my wife have, and I know people who have done MIC work. No one gives a shit about redundancy or cost, just meeting the contract.

The more you centralize, the more fragile your system becomes.

Diversity hires. Standards aren’t what they used to be.

NuttBoxer says

I don't think you've ever worked for the government, or a contractor.

I have and have been one. Wife is one. It's called doing good work or you go out of business. No one will hire you again. Obviously the FAA hired a 3rd party vendor for their system and didn't hold them accountable. I just am wondering who dropped the ball and what the outcome is? A plan crashing with 180 lives onboard is a major fucking issue.

NOTAM is fine to fly without. The entire fucking system though??? Wife just cancelled her flight for work today and is now driving to St Louis. Fucking joke. It's a moving goal post but this is 3rd world aviation problems in what is supposed to be the most advanced country. It's embarrassing and so far doesn't seem to be an outside influence/cyber attack.

We could do without planes for sure... it would suck. But all the liberal and greenies should be all over this. There's now likely 400-600 cars now driving to St. Louis today. What's more efficient? What pollutes more?

WookieMan says

But all the liberal and greenies should be all over this.

They would be if it grounded the greenie leaders' private jets.

I bet private jets with gates and Soros on board are not affected by the shutdown.

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

But all the liberal and greenies should be all over this.

They would be if it grounded the greenie leaders' private jets.

Not gonna lie, I've flown private (not out of pocket), it's 100% worth it. But yeah, that was kind of my point. Bitch and moan yet now half the flights today people are going to hop in cars and drive. Commercial airlines burn shit loads of fuel, but moving people that way is likely more efficient than people on the flight driving to their destination.

Manufacturing tires, brakes and part for a jet is exponentially more efficient than 400 cars with 1,600 tire, 1,600 brake pads, etc. I just don't get how we don't have a competent system in place with the FAA. I've mentioned it before, my buddy built/lead the JP Morgan site for investing/transactions. Talking billionaires transferring money. We'll drink to 3am, get high and live in a little farm town. He works from home. It's not hard to do good work. And maybe he's a brilliant programer, but I do know he likes to party. The site runs.

NOTAM is basic data. I also didn't realize the AM of the acronym turned into Air Mission? Is that new? I though it was Airmen? I could be wrong. I guess even wokeness can creep into aviation or I'm wrong about that. Think about it, "Notice to Air Mission" makes no sense grammatically. I'm not a mission and it's not my name... Guess I'm answering my own questions about the FAA.

PeopleUnited says

I bet private jets with gates and Soros on board are not affected by the shutdown.

It didn't effect private aviation. You can fly a plane like a car if you're a rich bitch. Commercial they likely have corporate rules. If they don't have NOTAM info prior to take off they're probably not allowed to fly.

As a former pilot, NOTAMs are not really optional. This could lead to landing on a closed runway, navigational aids out of service, restricted area penetration, etc. Applies to ALL aviation operations, private and commercial.

Most FAA systems are old and way outta date. We should have had microwave landing systems and GPS direct flight paths (that saves tons of jet fuel) two decades ago. Why not? We have the money. Every commercial landing in the USA is taxed PER PASSENGER TICKET, and the proceeds are put into a special coffer for USA aviation upgrades. This money bag was found by congress years ago. Every year it's stolen and put into the general fund. IOUs are issued to the FAA that never get paid back.
Congress is working hard for you!

rocketjoe79 says

As a former pilot, NOTAMs are not really optional. This could lead to landing on a closed runway, navigational aids out of service, restricted area penetration, etc. Applies to ALL aviation operations, private and commercial.

Not what I witnessed this morning at my local airport which is rather large, but no commercial service, all private. Planes taking off no problem. Commercial flight were leaving O'hare and Midway this morning during the shut down. Just not many of them. Either way it is retarded that we're this inept in aviation cotrol. It's less complicated than the MLS for Realtors and that's a scary thought.

rocketjoe79 says

We should have had microwave landing systems and GPS direct flight paths (that saves tons of jet fuel) two decades ago.

Decades ago, ATC granted "RNav Direct" which meant you could fly directly to your destination and not have to follow published ground nav aid based routes. For RNav though, your plane had to be equipped with redundant INS (inertial navigation system). INS was quite expensive, but with the advent of cheaper GPS systems I would presume direct routing would be the norm today.

WookieMan says

How Does This Happen - FAA Computer Issue

WookieMan says

I have and have been one. Wife is one. It's called doing good work or you go out of business. No one will hire you again. Obviously the FAA hired a 3rd party vendor for their system and didn't hold them accountable. I just am wondering who dropped the ball and what the outcome is? A plan crashing with 180 lives onboard is a major fucking issue.

Or Congress earmarked money and they or the Admin created a special contract only a single source could fulfill.

I work with the FAA daily. Most of the systems are pre win 10 and Safari based. Not edge, not win 10

Booger says

https://notthebee.com/article/pete-no-one-knows-what-happened

A computer outage grounded all US flights Wednesday morning for the first time since 9/11, and the people in charge don't know what happened. ...

I for one feel bad for Mayor Pete. It must be hard going from a small time mayor to being in charge of the infrastructure of a nation with the sole qualification of your sexual identity.

Patrick says

I'll fuck him up the ass if he fucks my flight up Sunday.... with a baseball bat. IL blows this time of year. Bridging the gap to February... or trying. I'm in that IL depressed phase we all go through here, but no one wants to talk about. I actually don't mind IL too much, but post holidays, which I hate, is even worse. I was sleeping on a beach roughly this time last week. I want that. I better get that Sunday afternoon Buttplug withstanding.

https://babylonbee.com/news/faa-shuts-down-flights-after-buttigieg-falls-asleep-on-destroy-all-airlines-button-again

It was an inside job. It was sabotage. Likely a Chicom hack just like the Chicoms hacked the security clearance database at Office of Personnel Management.

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Patrick says

I was ahead of the Bee in creating that one:

https://babylonbee.com/news/buttigieg-defends-job-performance-by-reminding-everyone-hes-gay

... Many Americans expressed concern that the country's transportation system was headed in the wrong direction, but once they were reminded that the man at the helm of all U.S. transportation was in fact a gay man they were put at ease.

"As a man who is married to another man, I can assure you that I am the most qualified man for this task and that transportation in this country has never been better," added Buttigieg. "And it's only going to get stronger. As soon as I get back from my 48-month paternity leave, we will build back better like never before."

At publishing time, Buttigieg had vowed to continue his campaign against racist roads and introduced a new campaign against cis-hetero-normative waterways.

Apparently contractors were able to modify a live system that was supposed to have safeguards preventing such modification. Again, don't see this happening in a private company.

It was ransomware, straight up. Same (exact) thing happened to Canada a short time ago and also happened in the Philippines. Same exact problem each time.
The yahoos running things aren’t about to admit that they were so reckless and careless that rando hackers got a hold of their system and ransomed it for bitcoin.

But hey, here’s something interesting. Let’s say it was ransomware, and old Petey McButtfuck paid it in the usual way: with Bitcoin. I assume it would be a pretty large sum to ransom the entire air traffic control system to jailbreak air travel in the USA. Probably way more than you’d even be able to imagine: billions probably!
Wouldn’t that cause a bit of a spike in Bitcoin values?
🧐

Exactly. Bitcoin had settled around 16,000 for a while. The FTX scandal took it there. Now it spikes right around the time flights were sabotaged. What a coincidence.

Shaman says

It was ransomware, straight up. Same (exact) thing happened to Canada a short time ago and also happened in the Philippines. Same exact problem each time.
The yahoos running things aren’t about to admit that they were so reckless and careless that rando hackers got a hold of their system and ransomed it for bitcoin.

Likely Chicom and/or Kremlin cyber criminals. Half of bitcoin proceeds from the hacks go to the Big Guys (Chicom officials and Russian oligarchs).

Note this week the arrest in Miami Beach of Anatoly Legkodymov, a Russian citizen and crypto executive for laundering.

All of this is not happenstance.

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