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The Cult


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2023 Feb 17, 2:35pm   3,207 views  36 comments

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Posted as a comment elsewhere, but worthy of its own thread.

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/did-i-just-leave-a-cult#details


Most of the cults back then always collapsed under the weight of their own utopian ideals, sex and financial scandals would rise out of the ash heap of failure.

Whatever was left swirled down the drain in the wake of Watergate, the end of Vietnam, and the failure of the Carter presidency, not to mention the more terrifying events like the Manson murders. It was not cool to be a hippie anymore. But their kids, kids like me, would grow up lost too - worse than lost. Depressed, full of anxiety, and in need of a fix.

We sought out therapy to talk about our bad childhoods. We gathered to watch Oprah every day at 3. We wanted to fix ourselves and thought we could. It was self-help books and anti-depressants. It was yoga, aerobics, meditation, juice cleanses, fasting, and gurus.

First, we focused inward, then we focused outward. Then it was climate change, women’s rights, racial injustice, cloth diapers, hybrid cars, cruelty-free cosmetics, feeding the hungry, and eventually, we had kids and then we sought about fixing them. They had to be perfect too because otherwise all of the work we did on ourselves was for naught. ...

Imperfect children were diagnosed with this disorder or that, even as toddlers, then we would drug them into perfection. We gave our children nowhere to escape. So they escaped online.

Eventually, though, all points led to Barack Obama. A perfect president for a perfect utopia of perfect people raising perfect kids. We were good puritans, utopians who had fixed ourselves, and our kids, and now we had a president to fix our country.

That feeling most of us had when Obama won was like a religious awakening, filling up a hole that had been left empty for decades.

Finally, what we had been searching for, working toward, and desperately craving had arrived: a collective sense of purpose embodied in the first Black president. The idea of the “first” was the high we were chasing, and would keep chasing to find ultimate purity.

But sooner or later you run out of the ones that already exist so then you have to start inventing new ones, finding new ways to define people as marginalized. Who is not accepted by Hollywood? Who is never noticed in public? Who is shamed or ridiculed or bullied? Those people needed rescuing and we were going to rescue them.

Everyone else, which was mostly everyone, was to be named as the oppressors. The more successful, the more oppressive.

Meanwhile, many of our kids began creating and inventing their own religion online, a jacked-up version of ours based solely on identity, purity, and a binary measure of people who are good and people who are bad. They didn’t realize it but they were building a utopian cult that would grow up, join the workforce, and completely overtake the Left. We saw the beginnings of it at Evergreen College in 2018. ...

Though it took me a while to really understand what had happened to the Left, I knew eventually it would drive me away. I was with them as a loyal Democrat who really was a true believer in the Party and even the social justice movement for a time. But then it got weird. Really really weird.

I spent a few years trying to fight with them, pushing back against the many cancellations, trying to convince my friends and family that something was very wrong with the Left but none of them would listen to me. They were in a kind of “mass formation” fugue state and all they could do was try to pull me back into the fold. Even now they show up with their fingers pointed, accusing me of being a heretic, a blasphemer, a witch.

They whisper about me behind my back, they gossip and worry and fret about what happened to me, why I went so wrong. They seem to think that nothing is quite as bad on the Left as Trump. So they keep asking me, “are you a Trump supporter now?” And “Are you voting for Trump?” If I answer yes, then they have their confession and they can feel satisfied that they were right to throw me away like human garbage. But I don’t answer because I don’t know.

What I do know is that it was a lie that we were the resistance. We were always the empire. It was a lie that Trump was a fascist. We’re closer to fascism now than we’ve ever been as a country with the Democrats in power. And it was always a lie that Trump World was a cult.

What kind of cult leader takes credit for the vaccine and then can’t get his supporters to take it? Wouldn’t they have complied like everyone on the Left? Did Jim Jones allow anyone to not drink that flavoraid laced with cyanide?

The cult of the Left is ruled by fanatics, zealots, and true believers. While there really are people who suffer from gender dysphoria - and trans people do exist, in my view - they aren’t part of the cult of the Left so much as they have become sacred symbols of it. ...

The women are bad enough - trading their journey of empowerment for endless self-punishment over their whiteness. So now their children are being used as sacred symbols for their path toward salvation. They might not be sacred themselves but they are “holy mothers” of the sacred which gives them some status.

Cults separate children from parents. Cults separate mothers from their biological impulse to protect their children. Watching Democrats wear pins to the State of the Union that said “abortion” was yet another sign that the cult seeks to destroy the bond between mother and child. ...

But that’s nothing compared to the “Good White Men” of the Left. They have had to erase themselves in real time, as though they alone can roll back thousands of years of men being in charge. ...

Their only outlet is to take to Twitter and unleash all of their pent-up frustration at their own muted masculinity. They can call Marjorie Taylor Greene “white trash” and feel perfectly justified in it. They know no one will call them a sexist. They can openly mock Justice Clarence Thomas knowing they will not be called a racist.

It must feel so good to beat their chest and cosplay being the men they once were, instead of the melted goo that they are now.

This is why Joe Biden must flank himself with Black women and why Hollywood hides behind Black actors in their films, their advertising, and their award shows. Biden and the Democrats believe they really have changed things by re-ordering the social hierarchy.

If you don’t think it’s a cult, just today, the Hollywood Reporter published a letter from celebrities demanding the already OH SO WOKE COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE MORE WOKE New York Times change their coverage of transgender issues...

That they believe they can control what people think if they bully the New York Times into compliance, or they silence dissent is, well, the stuff of cults. ...

Years from now when all of these young people come to us to ask, Where were you? Why didn’t you protect us? What are we going to say? That we were too afraid? Many of them are going to have major health problems for life and probably not be able to bear children or breastfeed them and we’re supposed to sit idly by and say nothing?

What it is we’ve been searching for on the Left is simply a way to replace the religion we lost long ago. I know that now. That is something I am going to have to find a way to reconcile in my own mind and heart. ...

We should never have to live in a country where we are afraid to express ourselves, to have conversations about complex topics, and above all, have the courage to stand up and protect kids. I can’t think of any higher purpose than that.




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2   jazz_music   2023 Feb 17, 5:43pm  

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.

While you crave your next celebrity demigod spoon fed diatribe on made-up perils of the day there’s a real fascist threat which arises naturally from the occupation of the government by financial powers. Trump was the tip of the spear. There’s a whole class of billionaires and CEOs looking to eliminate the inconvenience of the voters and their aspirations.

The real fascists are not giving up just because of Trump’s inefficacy. They are coming back harder and better to take Americans down into misery slavery leading to shorter and even more pathetic lives.

The biggest tragedy of the Trump cult is that you all wasted all your outrage and righteous energies on such a astroturf grass roots phoney ala the movie classic starring Andy Griffith “A Face In The Crowd” (1957) plus you bastards let them turn your quixotic heads around backwards while the real war for having better lives still lies at our doors your outrage is twisted around redirected at more made up boogeymen spreading CRT, sex-grooming tranny bathrooms and M&M candy designs.

Y’all got to stop being such suckers for these millionaire demigods in pursuit of ratings and advertising OR YOU WILL BE BR HOLLOWED OUT UNTIL YOU DIE YOUNG.

Y’all got to turn against the pricks on Fox Nd Newsmax. That’s the main source of the false universe.

This whole political thing IS REAL AND REALLY MATTERS.

Fascism is back and must fought bitterly! The billionaires and CEO class are not going to relent unless they are forced to back down.

Period.
3   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 17, 5:47pm  

Whereas Biden, Nancy, and Schumer are all angels, not at all stooges of Big Banks, the CCP, and large corporations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emD48UF-vqE
4   jazz_music   2023 Feb 17, 6:01pm  

AmericanKulak says

Whereas Biden, Nancy, and Schumer are all angels, not at all stooges of Big Banks, the CCP, and large corporations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emD48UF-vqE
I said take care to FIGHT FOR US not some astroturf demigods!
5   jazz_music   2023 Feb 17, 6:07pm  

Stop the sophomoric sarcasms, this stuff is not difficult to figure out at all if you steer clear of these cheesy shows that get ratings by whipping up your outrage.
6   Ceffer   2023 Feb 17, 6:56pm  

Always a pleasure to hear from the propaganda rebroadcasting, recycling bullhorn booth. "Eat our lies and more lies! Squash the candles under the bushel baskets!" May your gulags be abundant and fruitful.
7   WookieMan   2023 Feb 17, 7:06pm  

jazz_music says

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.

This the OG jazz?

Either way, that's not this site. I'd categorize most users as Libertarian. Left or Right has been extraordinarily confused at this point. I don't watch or listen AT ALL to the four people you mentioned. They want you to think we do for ratings. All news agencies start shit storms to give each other ratings. It's a game. Until you realize that they'll have you pick one side or the other. Think of Apple, Google and Microsoft. They all work together even though they're "enemies" supposedly. Media is even worse.
8   Onvacation   2023 Feb 17, 8:16pm  

WookieMan says

jazz_music says

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.

This the OG jazz?

Either way, that's not this site. I'd categorize most users as Libertarian.

Agreed! Liberty, freedom, truth, and justice.

Welcome Back @jazz_music We've been looking for a democrat to try to explain what up with Biden and all the woke shit he's been propagating.

Couple questions:
Are you a democrat? Progressive?
Did you vote for Biden?
If you did vote for Biden would you have if you had known that the Hunter laptop was real and the whole Biden family was involved in corruption?
9   Patrick   2023 Feb 17, 8:32pm  

jazz_music says

the Trump cult


That's pretty far out of touch with reality. You're the one obsessed with Trump, not us.

You should read the article.


What I do know is that it was a lie that we were the resistance. We were always the empire. It was a lie that Trump was a fascist. We’re closer to fascism now than we’ve ever been as a country with the Democrats in power. And it was always a lie that Trump World was a cult.

What kind of cult leader takes credit for the vaccine and then can’t get his supporters to take it? Wouldn’t they have complied like everyone on the Left? Did Jim Jones allow anyone to not drink that flavoraid laced with cyanide?
10   mell   2023 Feb 18, 7:53am  

The jazzer is just lashing out, projecting everything the leftoids have done in the past decade to this country, onto a quite diverse crowd of conservatives. It's the feeling of guilt and shame having wrecked the country, so lashing out is just one of the stages of grief. Let go and let God, it's ok to admit mistakes, even grave ones. You'll feel better soon
11   Tenpoundbass   2023 Feb 18, 8:24am  

I have a first grader kid, he's on the spectrum of autism, or he just needs a good ass beating, I haven't quite figured it out yet.
So those Fag Commies over at his elementary school, figured now is good time to start brain washing him and indoctrinating him, into kissing Commie Grifter's Asses in the name of Diversity, and put the task to him to make a Barak Obama the 44th President report. Now this would normally be 5th grade stuff, they are shoving it down his throat at 6.
I wasn't planning on explaining to my 6 year old, the Race Grift and Divider in Chief that the Jive Ass Mother Fucker Barak Obama was, and how he was personally responsible for destroying the Heart of America, in ways 9-11 never touched. But here we are! I'm explaining to him how the Left has been hijacked by the Communist and just what that means to his future. And why he must reject all of their hysterical nonsense outright and never EVER let them make you feel or try to tell you, that you're responsible for the quality of life that was robbed from them, by Barak Obama and his evil vile disputing cabal.

I'm testing him on it, later today to see how much stuck. I may have to lecture him while he does cross training, while carrying 20lbs weight on his back.
12   RedStar   2023 Feb 18, 8:32am  

Tenpoundbass says

I have a first grader kid, he's on the spectrum of autism, or he just needs a good ass beating, I haven't quite figured it out yet.
So those Fag Commies over at his elementary school, figured now is good time to start brain washing him and indoctrinating him, into kissing Commie Grifter's Asses in the name of Diversity, and put the task to him to make a Barak Obama the 44th President report. Now this would normally be 5th grade stuff, they are shoving it down his throat at 6.
I wasn't planning on explaining to my 6 year old, the Race Grift and Divider in Chief that the Jive Ass Mother Fucker Barak Obama was, and how he was personally responsible for destroying the Heart of America, in ways 9-11 never touched. But here we are! I'm explaining to him how the Left has been hijacked by the Communist and just what that means to his future. And why he must reject all of their hysterical nonsense outright and never EVER let them make you feel or try to tell you, that y...


If you can, get your kids out of public schools. They are cesspools of leftist indoctrination. Even at the private school, they still use some of the same California history and social studies curriculum so I've been keeping an eye out. I remember going thru it with my oldest, from first thru fourth, everything was always the white mans fault. The natives lived in peace until the Americans came. Somehow they skipped the monstrous Spanish invasion and made just a mention of the Indian enslavement on the missions, and then made the founding of California a racist white nationalist event. Yeah fuck that. Home-school if you have to.

And its not just California, the leftists have infiltrated every school board in the country.
13   Tenpoundbass   2023 Feb 18, 8:46am  

jazz_music says

The real fascists are not giving up just because of Trump’s inefficacy. They are coming back harder and better to take Americans down into misery slavery leading to shorter and even more pathetic lives.


It's like you were a little itty bitty chirping baby bird in a nest, and mama bird Joy Reid came and puked commie propaganda projection right in your mouth.
14   Tenpoundbass   2023 Feb 18, 8:48am  

jazz_music says

AmericanKulak says

Whereas Biden, Nancy, and Schumer are all angels, not at all stooges of Big Banks, the CCP, and large corporations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emD48UF-vqE
I said take care to FIGHT FOR US not some astroturf demigods!


Not the "Real Democrats haven't been tried yet" canard!
15   Blue   2023 Feb 18, 8:55am  

Listening yesterday kqed 88.5, reporter mentioning about a gathering in FL, all the time saying far right, extreme right, white…something…freedom. There was no just right. They sounded dislike everyone who is not far left. George Saros is doing his fair share to burn down this country.
16   Patrick   2023 Feb 18, 8:47pm  




They are definitely in The Cult.
17   richwicks   2023 Feb 19, 3:23am  

jazz_music says


Y’all got to stop being such suckers for these millionaire demigods in pursuit of ratings and advertising OR YOU WILL BE BR HOLLOWED OUT UNTIL YOU DIE YOUNG.


This is a concoction in your own mind.

We're not like this, at least, a lot of aren't.

I don't think Trump was some sort of demigod, and I don't look up to these people. You can't be a billionaire without being a criminal, it's that simple.

The reason Trump was elected, was it was between him, and the devil himself. He was an unknown. He was FAR from perfect, but he wasn't useless - he wasn't ENTIRELY damaging.

We're now "back to normal" with a puppet president that does more for Ukraine than he ever will do for Flint Michigan or Palestine Ohio.

The point of electing Trump isn't "oh, he'll solve everything", it WAS a fuck you to the establishment

jazz_music says

Fascism is back and must fought bitterly! The billionaires and CEO class are not going to relent unless they are forced to back down.


We've been in fascism for YEARS. Can't you see it?

Why did the US taxpayer bail out the banking system after they committed fraud for a decade in 2007? Because the government serves corporations, not you, not me.

Fascism is what we've been for 2 to maybe 3 decades, exclusively. Why do you think there were 40 FBI agents at Twitter censoring people for political speech, why they ignored child pornography on the site?

Their only power is their control of the narrative. If people actually understood the system (and they are starting to), it would go away, it would be forced to reform. I don't think we'll last 10 more years.
18   WookieMan   2023 Feb 19, 6:06am  

RedStar says

And its not just California, the leftists have infiltrated every school board in the country.

CA centric website here, so you guys know it better than I do. Only positive with covid was remote learning. I got to see everything. It certainly is not that way around me at least. There's no woke shit in my district. The opposite. Our soon to be superintendent is SUPER religious. A lot of teachers were hired because of that. Again, small district with 800 students total K-12.

I think there was only one instance during that time where I caught something and was like WTF. I know the teacher and occasionally hang out. She's taught all three of my boys. I can't recall specifics, but it was definitely a history rewrite type thing. None of the gender shit happens here or pronouns, or trans people are normal. Chicago, for sure.

Honestly for a public school our teachers are awesome. Play trivia with them at the local bar Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Our group comes up with the most profane team names. They know our kids (small town). We come up with names like Mike Hunt for example. Never used that one, but it's fucking hysterical some of the shit we make the trivia person say. Haven't used this one either, but think stuff like Dick Waggers. We give no literal shits whatsoever and the teachers fucking crack up when they hear our name every time.

Sorry for the tangent. Never thought I'd be a trivia guy. It's actually fun as hell. Have 3-4 beers, laugh and get randomly educated on stuff you don't know.
19   Shaman   2023 Feb 19, 6:58am  

If you want to see real fascism, look no further than the Biden administration.

They work with corporations to silence Americans from speaking against the government Narrative,

They’ve mandated the most dangerous pharmaceutical product in decades to be taken by everyone who works. A war crime and genocide all rolled into a fascist stew of hate for America.

They’ve rendered Justice as political, where loyal Democrats get away with anything, but opposition party members get locked in DC gulags for he mere act of PROTESTING corruption!

They’ve weaponized federal police against political enemies, even assaulting Congressmen and stealing their property without cause.

If you can’t see the fascism in this government by progressive Democrats, you really don’t know what fascism even is.
20   clambo   2023 Feb 19, 9:03am  

Throughout history, the "have nots" have envied/hated the "haves".
In a modern society, those with brains, skill, motivation and self-discipline are "haves"; all of the people I know who are "have nots" lack several or even all of these attributes.
Scubag politicians like Obama and Biden need them to get elected; they promise the have nots money which is taxed from the haves.
Rewarding failure (sloth, ignorance, lack of self-control, etc.) and punishing success via taxation is how the Democrats operate.
I couldn't read the above in its entirety because it's not succinct and needs editing; "brevity is the soul of wit."
21   Patrick   2023 Feb 19, 3:30pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/this-high-ranking-diversity-leader-claims-to-be-a-muslim-but-her-own-mother-claims-she-is-as-white-as-the-driven-snow


This high-ranking diversity leader claims to be an ethnic Arab Muslim but her own mother claims she is "as white as the driven snow"




Cult members will do anything to get higher "moral status".
22   HeadSet   2023 Feb 19, 5:20pm  

clambo says

Throughout history, the "have nots" have envied/hated the "haves".

In America today it is more like the "have some" and the "have more."
23   mell   2023 Feb 19, 5:23pm  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/this-high-ranking-diversity-leader-claims-to-be-a-muslim-but-her-own-mother-claims-she-is-as-white-as-the-driven-snow



This high-ranking diversity leader claims to be an ethnic Arab Muslim but her own mother claims she is "as white as the driven snow"




Cult members will do anything to get higher "moral status".

Muslims are white
24   HeadSet   2023 Feb 19, 5:40pm  

mell says

Muslims are white

Maybe you meant "Arabs are white." Muslims in the old Ottoman occupied parts of Europe are white, but Al Shabab Muslims in Africa are Black. The largest Muslim country by population is Indonesia.
25   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2023 Feb 19, 6:58pm  

Onvacation says

WookieMan says


jazz_music says

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.

This the OG jazz?

Either way, that's not this site. I'd categorize most users as Libertarian.

Agreed! Liberty, freedom, truth, and justice.

Welcome Back jazz_music We've been looking for a democrat to try to explain what up with Biden and all the woke shit he's been propagating


You can keep waiting. It’s been years and Jazz still has yet to back up his assertion that Trump is a fascist with even one factual instance of a measure Trump has implemented or attempted to implement that indicates Trump is a fascist.
26   stereotomy   2023 Feb 19, 9:03pm  

I just noticed that the National Weather Service forecast for today, 2/20/2023 is referred to as "Washington's Birthday." Someone at the NWS intarwebs really hates wokeness (This is a good thing IMHO)
27   HeadSet   2023 Feb 20, 8:25am  

stereotomy says

I just noticed that the National Weather Service forecast for today, 2/20/2023 is referred to as "Washington's Birthday." Someone at the NWS intarwebs really hates wokeness (This is a good thing IMHO)

Interesting. The regional newspaper here is also emphasizing the Washington's Birthday.
29   Patrick   2023 Mar 9, 8:52pm  

I'd say that's personal, but it's true and it's relevant.

TDS is a terrible thing.
31   richwicks   2023 Mar 10, 1:38pm  

jazz_music says

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.

While you crave your next celebrity demigod spoon fed diatribe on made-up perils of the day there’s a real fascist threat which arises naturally from the occupation of the government by financial powers. Trump was the tip of the spear. There’s a whole class of billionaires and CEOs looking to eliminate the inconvenience of the voters and their aspirations.


@jazz_music isn't for real - he's a troll. Why do I say this? This is his comment that set off a long thread:

https://patrick.net/post/1378576?start=1#comment-1925634

He fired off some shorter posts IMMEDIATELY after that post, and then went silent.

This is his posting activity:

https://patrick.net/comments?a=jazz_music&start=1

He's just trying to get a reaction out of people.
32   Patrick   2023 Apr 9, 10:55am  




The religion of wokeness has largely replaced Christianity in America.
35   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 9, 8:13am  

jazz_music says

This is why I can’t talk to you guys full of Limbaugh, Ingrham, Hannity and Fucker Carlson diatribes.


This true fact escapes Lefties in regards to how we consume and process the news, and the media that reckons us their demographic.

Liberals are spoon fed what to think from the news shows they watch. If they see a news story that has not been reported through official channels, they have been conditioned to assume it's fake news.

Where as Conservative media, would much rather us all be riveted to spoon fed propaganda that Paul Rand over at Fox lays out for us. But the real honest truth is. Fox and most conservative media never touches on conservative stories, until the Conservative base discovered and uncovered those storied in damn near real-time before they made national news. After we have disseminated and Tweeted out those stories, given Liberals and Commies around the world a brain hemorrhage for our calling attention and making a story out of news they tried to bury. Then and only then, does Fox have Ingraham, Hannity and Carlson run controlled opposition on those stories. Rush Limbaugh was the only one that touched on those stories on the same day they happened. And by lunch time it was the most Tweeted story on Twitter. So was Rush informing the base, or was he just chewing the fat over a hot story that he knew his base was already discussing?

The Fox clowns don't catch up with the base on a hot story until days or often weeks later. In fact all of the recent content that we all think Tucker Carlson got fired over. Was all news we've been digesting since 2019 through 2021 every single bit of it. Nothing he said was a revelation to anyone, but only the folks who exclusively wait for Fox to report news worthiness to them.

So when you realize these facts, it should really grind your gears to hear bottom feeding low brow news eaters, claim we wait for Fox news to give our news to us.

In fact if nothing I said was true, then the CIA wouldn't be working so hard to suppress news and the DOJ wouldn't be trying so hard to prosecute the truth..
36   richwicks   2023 May 9, 9:22am  

jazz_music says

This whole political thing IS REAL AND REALLY MATTERS.

Fascism is back and must fought bitterly! The billionaires and CEO class are not going to relent unless they are forced to back down.


Wait, you're saying this as Facebook, Google and Twitter all colluded to shut down what you call "fascist" speech? You're a troll account. I can't imagine anybody is this mixed up in the head and can function.

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