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If Russia had not fucked around it would have been fine; the west has no interest in bothering the losers just wanted their oil and gas.
The fiction that Putin was provoked is convenient cover for his aggression; he previously agreed to leave Ukraine alone.
It's a fantasy that Russian military has the ability to actually confront the West; they're outclassed in every aspect of warfare.
After 1/2 million casualties we shall see how popular Putin really is among his subjects.

Putin does not want to confront the West. The Europeans outnumber him 5 to 1 and the Americans have him outnumbered 3 to 1.

We also have better military equipment.

As Putin says this is not a war.

clambo says

The fiction that Putin was provoked is convenient cover for his aggression; he previously agreed to leave Ukraine alone.

Going back to 2004 and the Russian foreign ministry said that Russian considered Ukraine to be Russian territory. Back then it just was not an issue with 9/11 and the War on Terror being in the foreground. Not relatively long after that, Russia invaded the Republic of Georgia.

Lavrov has called for a "regime change in Ukraine". They are going to need Russian soldiers on every street corner from Lviv to Donesk as their enforcers.

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Misc says

Putin does not want to confront the West. The Europeans outnumber him 5 to 1 and the Americans have him outnumbered 3 to 1.

We also have better military equipment.

Without the USA, NATO is a paper tiger. We may have better military equipment, but that didn't do much for us as we wasted 17 years in Afghanistan that ended in an ugly defeat against the rag-tag Taliban. Russia presents a far greater challenge. Europe goes along with the USA's NATO primarily because of the money that we pour into NATO countries. In reality, Europe has no stomach for a war with Russia. Part of the reason for their reluctance is the history of fanatical Russian fighters once their homeland is invaded, along with the vastness of Russia geographically.

If we couldn't defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, do you really think we're up to the task with Russia?

Behold! Our Commander in Chief speaks! I'm inspired, where can I enlist?

Video: Biden Gibbers Nonsense In Poland While Putin Readies Nukes

Biden could barely speak during forever war address

Biden in Warsaw, Poland: "Would we respond? Or would we look the other way? Would we be strong? Or would we be weak? Would be, you, we would be, would we the, all of our allies would be united, or divided?"

Biden: "All across my country ... Ukrainian flags fly on American homes." (REALLY? I haven't seen a single one)

https://summit.news/2023/02/22/video-biden-gibbers-nonsense-in-poland-while-putin-readies-nukes/

Neocons Need War Because Monetary System Collapsing – Martin Armstrong

From the article:

Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong said at the end of last year the U.S. is being set up for a “nightmare fall.” Train derailments and political problems are spinning out of control, but the biggest threat is war. Armstrong explains, “They want a war, but they also need it because the monetary system is collapsing. . . . You have had interest rates at negative since 2014. So, suddenly interest rates are rising. Any bond owned by any institution in Europe is a loser. They have lost so much money, it’s incredible. What happens? Nobody is interested in long term debt – period. . . . If you have interest rates rising, and rates are going to be going up because the Fed cannot stop this kind of inflation.

Full interview video here:
https://usawatchdog.com/neocons-need-war-because-monetary-system-collapsing-martin-armstrong/

And add China to the mix ...

China Says Ready To "Join Forces With Russia" To "Defend National Interests" As Putin Confirms Xi Visit

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-says-ready-join-forces-russia-defend-national-interests-putin-confirms-xi-visit

PS: I'm so glad that we are defending one of the most corrupt nations on earth. Remind me ... what exactly are our national security interests in Ukraine?

We are expected to trust the corrupt imbeciles that prosecuted the 20 Year Afghan Boondoggle, and the worst 'withdrawal' since the same buffoons fucked up Hanoi, to navigate this treacherous attempt to maintain hegemony.

Misc says

Putin does not want to confront the West. The Europeans outnumber him 5 to 1 and the Americans have him outnumbered 3 to 1.

We also have better military equipment.

As Putin says this is not a war.

If Russia gets backed into an existential crisis by the West, it has many very destructive options that could either end the USA or cripple us and Europe for a generation. Nobody is going to win when the USA and Europe fight with Russia and China (who are now allies.)

cisTits says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk

Shaman says

Misc says

Putin does not want to confront the West. The Europeans outnumber him 5 to 1 and the Americans have him outnumbered 3 to 1.

We also have better military equipment.

As Putin says this is not a war.

If Russia gets backed into an existential crisis by the West, it has many very destructive options that could either end the USA or cripple us and Europe for a generation. Nobody is going to win when the USA and Europe fight with Russia and China (who are now allies.)

Yep, the only one to blame at this point for the prolonged death and destruction is BIDEN.
We need peace and we need it now. Biden can end this today. Tell Ukraine they are on their own and this ends today.

Watch this very rare glimpse into the mind of a warmongering psychopath. Let it serve as a reminder that this is the very same mindset that is running our war machine today. They are all psychopaths that do not believe human life (outside of their own elite class) has ANY value:

Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

PeopleUnited says

Yep, the only one to blame at this point for the prolonged death and destruction is BIDEN.
We need peace and we need it now. Biden can end this today. Tell Ukraine they are on their own and this ends today.

Very early on, Ukraine wanted to begin negotiations with Russia. Biden and the psychopaths that control him put a stop to it by ordering Zelen$ky not to negotiate. Money talks, and Zelen$ky took a walk. The rest is history.

We need to remind everyone of this Ray! Everyone needs to know that Biden is responsible for this death and destruction. Every day he continues to aid the criminal government of Ukraine is a day of death on Biden’s account.

Three Undeniable Truths From Putin’s Speech

From the article:

The national media, for their own reasons, don’t want you to hear what Vladimir Putin said about the war in Ukraine.

1. “The U.S. has used Ukraine to prepare for a large war. They have publicly admitted that.” (This is all about regime change in Russia. If it takes a WORLD WAR to remove him, so be it)

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said we should designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell has declared that the “defeat” of Russia is “the No. 1 priority for the United States right now.”

2. “The West is guilty of escalation.” Since well before Russia invaded Ukraine, Washington has promoted the expansion of new member nations to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, an alliance that exists in its present form for the express purpose of intimidating Russia.

... the Biden administration pushed for Ukraine’s entry into NATO, even further encircling Russia with an alliance that Putin already had every reason to fear.

3. “They [the West] want to have a strategic defeat of Russia. … It means they want to have no more, anything to do with Russia. They want to have a global resistance against Russia.” What part of that contradicts anything the Biden administration, most of Congress, and virtually every former military official on cable news has said? They all say it.

"World War III Appears Imminent as the Establishment Attempts to Sweep Vaccine Genocide Under the Rug". Time to kill the creditors and keep their money. The banks have spoken.;
https://rumble.com/v2ahh9o-world-war-iii-appears-imminent-as-the-establishment-attempts-to-sweep-vacci.html

RayAmerica says

Very early on, Ukraine wanted to begin negotiations with Russia.

That's very true. About a month after Russian's invasion, Zelensky stated he wanted to negotiate.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/russian-troops-press-into-ukraines-second-largest-city-as-invasion-continues

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Ceffer says

"World War III Appears Imminent as the Establishment Attempts to Sweep Vaccine Genocide Under the Rug". Time to kill the creditors and keep their money. The banks have spoken.;
https://rumble.com/v2ahh9o-world-war-iii-appears-imminent-as-the-establishment-attempts-to-sweep-vacci.html

Just embedding it:


original link

Pop Quiz Ukey Fluffers!

If less than 10% of the blank check money makes it to Ukraine, and the military equipment we keep sending is mostly useless junk.
Just how much of the WWIII money will make it to arm and equip your kids, when Mad Man Lunatic Biden sends them off the Russian meat grinder?
Are these the Sons of Rotten Bitches you want to trust your kids, to service, duty and honor for your country?

At least we can hope the draft will sweep up the BLM and ANTIFA idiots first.
As they probably have real combat training by the military, while they have been issuing chest binders and blue hair dye to the Military conscripts.

Biden’s Insane Foreign Policy Actions Drove China and Russia Together – Now the World Is Facing WWIII

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/bidens-insane-foreign-policy-actions-drove-china-and-russia-together-now-world-is-facing-wwiii/

Have to realize that insane is a FEATURE. Predators want to destroy the world so they can thrive on the carnage.

Russia and China together is funny; China is not trustworthy and even Putin knows that much.
China can't piss off the west too much; Xi sees how Putin just wrecked the Russia economy and he's not going to volunteer to ruin China.
China is buying gas from Russia at 50% discount; that looks like it favors China 🇨🇳.

clambo says

Russia and China together is funny; China is not trustworthy and even Putin knows that much.
China can't piss off the west too much; Xi sees how Putin just wrecked the Russia economy and he's not going to volunteer to ruin China.
China is buying gas from Russia at 50% discount; that looks like it favors China 🇨🇳.

Chyna

clambo says

China is buying gas from Russia at 50% discount; that looks like it favors China 🇨🇳.

Same reason China will never grovel before WEF, they don't trust the Opium War Roundeyes and will never depend fully on the West, esp. for Raw Materials, ever again.

They'll continue to play Russia against the West while paying off American Politicians and making American Corporations utterly dependent on their manufacturing.

China is delaying it to attract as much business as possible, but China has a massively underdeveloped consumer base.

Excellent documentary providing valuable information as to how the war propagandists operate in selling war to the gullible American public. In this case, the war to be sold is the war against Iraq & Afghanistan, along with the extending the never ending war policy of the U. S. Government.

War of Lies: How to Sell an Invasion | ENDEVR Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOiWuYQWPMs

clambo says

Russia and China together is funny; China is not trustworthy and even Putin knows that much.

When the USSR fell apart, China didn't take advantage of the situation, they didn't kick them when they were down, however the United States sent in a bunch of carpetbaggers to loot the nation for a decade. Putin ended that which is why he became an enemy of the United States.

China works almost entirely in it's own interests, and so does Russia. It's not in China's best interest to be in conflict with their neighbor, and that's true for Russia as well.

It isn't in the interests of the EU or the United States to be enemies with Russia either, but the US is run by lunatics perhaps purposely undermining this country, and the EU is run by quislings probably controlled by the US intelligence agencies. Whoever really runs the EU/US, they are one in the same or they are tightly linked, and they don't work on behalf of the nations they control.

There is a demon for each jurisdiction. They manipulate their victims and minions to do their bidding. Putin doesn’t run Russia even if he thinks he does. He is in power only by the grace of God, and he same goes for any leader. But just because God allows them to have power doesn’t mean that they do His will.

Chinese government is corrupt. Russian government is corrupt. The E.U. is corrupt. The USA is corrupt. Israeli government is corrupt. No government that serves the people can last because it always becomes corrupted by those who seek their own interests.

PeopleUnited says

Chinese government is corrupt. Russian government is corrupt. The E.U. is corrupt. The USA is corrupt. Israeli government is corrupt. No government that serves the people can last because it always becomes corrupted by those who seek their own interests.

increasing entropy of corruption gradually lowers quality of life and reduces freedoms leading to an Orwellian state or total collapse and fragmentation of the original country or state

The collapse of the USA will be the most tragic of all. It truly once was a shinning city on the hill. A place where most of the world strived to emigrate to or emulate. A place where freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, free speech, representative government and Constitutionally protected and Providencially established rights of every man woman and child were codified and defended by oath and actions of every civil servant.

I generally like Steve Bannon; but a guy with that much money can't 1. get a haircut 2. get a chef 3. get a gym membership and a pair of sneakers?

WWIII is on and the West is winning it.

Even Putin knows the negative consequences of nuking someplace.

Tactical-small battlefield nuke; means the place just nuked is dangerous to Russians and they now cannot enter the area either or the wind will blow shit onto them and they die also.

Strategic-large nukes for cities; means that the West will retaliate and wipe out Russia.

Some idiots in Moscow are saying "Nuke London!" in revenge for the UK sending arms to Ukraine; how fucking stupid are they?

The presumed (bullshit pretext) reason for wanting Ukraine in the first place was to create a larger buffer against the West; but the invasion of Ukraine had the exact opposite intended effect.

What if Putin is just a globalist puppet and we are living in a version of 1984? After all, oceana has always been at war with eastasia, right Winston?

Peace is not part of the plan for the New World Order ...

Biden, NATO Attack China’s Ukraine War Peace Proposals

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/02/25/biden-nato-attack-chinas-ukraine-war-peace-proposals/

Why is Ukraine so important to the national interests of the USA?

Treasury Secretary Yellen: ‘Our Support for Ukraine Will Be Lasting and Is Unconditional’

"UNCONDITIONAL!"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/treasury-secretary-yellen-our-support-for-ukraine-will-be-lasting-and-is-unconditional/

RayAmerica says

Why is Ukraine so important to the national interests of the USA?

It has nothing to do with Ukraine. I don't like Biden. This is THE definition of a proxy war with Russia. They can't nuke us because we don't have boot's on the ground in Ukraine. If they do NATO allies lob nukes. Russia is in a shit spot they could have handled diplomatically. They wanted a swath of land that if they were a major power they could have just bought it. They're not a major power.

I also give no shits about Ukraine. If you're not of Eastern European descent or haven't interacted with them you have no business in the discussion about any of this. They're not rational people. Either nation or the region. I am one just Americanized. I'm one generation removed from float on the boat eastern Euro. My grandparents. My parents business a bit back catered to Eastern Euros. I worked for them. I dealt with them. Contradictory or self deprecating, but they're fucking idiots.

The US is involved, but this shit would have happened either way. Anyone that says otherwise should get a lobotomy. Russia was and will try to move westward, always. Their land is shit. Apparently no one has been to Canada. It's the mirror image of what Russia is. Cold and shitty. No one generally live below a certain latitude. Russia is worse than Canada, they just have oil and gas up there that is likely to go off line soon.

Russia AND Ukraine are fucked. Who cares? We don't have dead Americans for once. Both countries will fail. The outcome of both countries failing should be the conversation, not who is "winning." There are no sides to pick.

I'm slightly amazed at the comments here.
Ukraine did all it could diplomatically to avoid being invaded by Putin. Ukraine gave up weapons in exchange for assurances but of course when dealing with an asshole, you can't expect the other party to comply with something he agreed to.
Ukraine saw the other former soviet countries which Putin either invaded or took over installing a puppet (e.g. Belarus).
It was inevitable that mistrust of Putin's sincerity would lead Ukraine to seek more European ties; it sure doesn't want anything to do with Russia.
The guys Putin is sending to the Ukraine dying fields are not from Moscow; they're from Russian Federation places like Kazakhstan.
Putin can use the war to decrease the population of people who don't like him.

WookieMan says

Russia was and will try to move westward, always.

Europeans are always trying to move eastward,to take that delicious gas, oil, and metals. "The poor Russians need our Leadership!"

clambo says

Ukraine did all it could diplomatically to avoid being invaded by Putin.

What Ukraine failed to do was stop shelling the ethnic Russian civilians in the Donbass. They did that for many years and are still doing it.

RayAmerica says

Biden’s Insane Foreign Policy Actions Drove China and Russia Together – Now the World Is Facing WWIII

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/bidens-insane-foreign-policy-actions-drove-china-and-russia-together-now-world-is-facing-wwiii/

Are you high? Do you really think China wants to see Russia defeated? China doesn't know they're next? Russia and China both know that neither one of them can fall to the US. If they did, the whole world becomes a vassal to the US. If this were to happen, it would be No Bueno for ANYONE worldwide.

I've been concerned that the Ukraine/Russian conflict might lead us into WW III. If that happens, at least we can all be assured that all those $Billions going over there was well spent and that there is zero corruption.

I'm ashamed to have suspected that a lot of that money was going into off shore accounts for the crooks in Ukraine, kick backs to U. S. politicians and corporations.

BIDEN OFFICIAL CLEARS Ukraine of Misusing U.S. Financial Aid (That makes it official ... wink, wink)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/biden-official-clears-ukraine-of-misusing-u-s-financial-aid/

Ukraine is not misusing the tens of billions of dollars in direct financial assistance it is receiving courtesy of U.S. taxpayers according to a top Biden administration official.

Samantha Power, the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), gave the public affirmation during a CNN live town hall on Thursday evening.

Her assurances came just hours ahead of the White House revealing it would give another $2 billion in military aid to Ukraine as its war with Russia officially hits the one-year mark, bringing the total amount of American military assistance to over $30 billion in one year.

The U.S. has given more than $100 billion in military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine since the start of the war one year ago even as doubts have been expressed over the potential for corruption.

Well, the so called aid IS packaged as Babylonian debt to enslave Ukrainian productivity for decades to come. Not to mention the Ukrainians are still laundering proxies for selling old and potentially non-functional warehouse USA armaments on the black market and sharing the bounty with American politicians.

One always needs to look on the bright side of the cloud.