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richwicks says

Every group is infiltrated, EVERY group is. Propagandists don't get paid well, and as a result, they're not very good at their job. The main purpose of propaganda isn't to fool smart people, it's designed to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all. People are told what to believe, but they are never told why they should think that.

I'm not a glowie, nor do I play one on television, but I have to say that this is one of the most enlightening insights on the purpose of propaganda that I've come across on Patnet.I guess the propagandists really do think we're stupid ostriches whose only job is to keep our heads in the sand.

stereotomy says

richwicks says

Every group is infiltrated, EVERY group is. Propagandists don't get paid well, and as a result, they're not very good at their job. The main purpose of propaganda isn't to fool smart people, it's designed to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all. People are told what to believe, but they are never told why they should think that.

I'm not a glowie, nor do I play one on television, but I have to say that this is one of the most enlightening insights on the purpose of propaganda that I've come across on Patnet.I guess the propagandists really do think we're stupid ostriches whose only job is to keep our heads in the sand.

Just beware that nobody is immune from propaganda, neither you or me.

PLAUSIBLE stuff is said all the time, that is false. There's a false dichotomy between the "left" and "right" as well. Don't think you're immune, nobody is. Right now the "conservatives" are being told that there will be investigations into the FIB and CIA and other trash criminal organizations for suppressing the 1st amendment. I'm telling you, IF there is any hearings at all, it will be sham.

Remember the Durham Report? Whatever fucking happened to that? We're being told that Kari Lake MIGHT get her day in court - no she won't. Again, at best, it will be a sham.

These are forms of propaganda as well.

I remember when I was expecting George W. Bush to actually have to deal with impeachment when it was clear the evidence for the phantom weapons of mass destruction program was revealed. Nope.

richwicks says

Just beware that nobody is immune from propaganda, neither you or me.

yep, and just a bit more. don’t hold others to impossible standard of not being victim to propaganda. it gets everyone sooner or later.

in Christ we learn to forgive, and to the best of my ability i try to do that. hope this is useful.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

in Christ we learn to forgive, and to the best of my ability i try to do that.

Commendable, but I do not feel forgiveness to those who created or mandated the jab. I want justice.

You can forgive someone and sentence them to the gallows. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This is another reason I lost faith in Trump, along with his failure to state the obvious danger and inefficacy of the toxxine.

Why didn't Trump pardon Snowdon and Assange?

Same reason he didn't pardon Ross Ulbricht. They're all on the same side. From Trump, all the way back to Clinton, not a single president has done right by our patriots.

Patrick says

Why didn't Trump pardon Snowdon and Assange?

Would create too many political enemies. This was stupidity on his part, they were already enemies at the time and he wanted to be "friends". That will never happen.

He had nothing to lose by pardoning them, and he didn't realize this, is my opinion.

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1636565548782743552?ref_src=patrick.net

@VigilantFox
New Documentary Aims to Bolster Support for the Free Assange Movement

@TuckerCarlson
: "I don't understand how politicians can get up and say they support democracy and simultaneously support the imprisonment of a man for telling the population what the government is doing in its name."

richwicks says

Patrick says

Why didn't Trump pardon Snowdon and Assange?

Would create too many political enemies. This was stupidity on his part, they were already enemies at the time and he wanted to be "friends". That will never happen.

He had nothing to lose by pardoning them, and he didn't realize this, is my opinion.

💯% in agreement. Trump screwed up by not pardoning them.

https://slaynews.com/news/mexicos-president-humiliates-joe-biden-sides-with-donald-trump-why-not-allow-the-people-to-decide/

Mexico’s leftist President Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) has publicly humiliated Democrat President Joe Biden.

During a press conference, AMLO decried Biden over the Democrats’ efforts to indict President Donald Trump.

He said Biden can no longer lecture other countries about democracy if Trump is arrested.

“Right now, former President Trump is declaring that they are going to arrest him,” the Mexican leader said.

“If that were the case, it would be so that his name doesn’t appear on the ballot.

“I say this because I too have suffered from the fabrication of a crime when they didn’t want me to run.

“And this is completely anti-democratic.

“Why not allow the people to decide?”

He also called out Biden specifically, saying the United States cannot talk about human rights with Julian Assange detained, cartel violence with Biden bombing the Nord Stream pipeline, or democracy while arresting the leading presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Eman says

💯% in agreement. Trump screwed up by not pardoning them.

I'm also in 100% agreement. He should have. Fuck the establishment assholes. He just didn't have the balls, but he has family to worry about being murdered - I can see that, but didn't he know the nest of rats he was invading?

Guess who is not talking about the Vulkan Files exposing Russian activities? Correct:

Wikileaks

This obscure organization which claims to support whistleblowers and even bears "leaks" in the name "suspiciously" omits the revelations which embarrass Putin-Russia. One might assume that this is exactly that kind of event which would have them all over the place, but it's not, and it is not even the first time.

In 2016 the so-called "Surkovleaks" dropped. That leak revealed that Russian paratroopers (VDV) were directly involved in the battles in Donbas back in 2014, proving that the Russian military was directly involved and dispelling any claims of any kind of rebellion there. Wikileaks didn't mention the Surkovleaks even once.

Little earlier in 2016 before the Surkovleaks the Panamapapers dropped. Wikileaks was in the beginning very giddy to report on the Panamapapers since it involved many political enemies of them (and Russia). They changed, however, the tune once Putin and his friends got into crosshairs. Wikileaks was then quick to call it an "attack by Soros" (see first screenshot). This dogwhistle Anti-Semite claim is widely used by right-wing operators around the world. It was clear that Wikileaks didn't want Russia to be involved and tried to deflect all scrutiny where Putin has accumulate wealth on foreign bank accounts.

There have been numerous cases where Wikileaks reacted with critical and deflective responses when it was about Russia. Each separate event might have been a coincidence but the sheer amount of following cases prove a system behind it which cannot be even explained with "selective bias". This went far beyond that.

I have called out Wikileaks for their practices and the result can be seen in the 2nd screenshot. Therefore, I have no problems when Assange is treated like a criminal, because he is a Russian spy.

Wikileaks is a FSB front. A fighter for democracy, transparency and truth would never selectively treat all those leaks in such a different manner or even attack leaks unfavorably for a specific party.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1641779403662192640?ref_src=patrick.net

RWSGFY says

In 2016 the so-called "Surkovleaks" dropped. That leak revealed that Russian paratroopers (VDV) were directly involved in the battles in Donbas back in 2014, proving that the Russian military was directly involved and dispelling any claims of any kind of rebellion there. Wikileaks didn't mention the Surkovleaks even once.

Those would have to be online. Can you give a link to them? I have found things that summarize what was (supposedly) found, but I need to be able to see the emails to verify. For this, it is relatively easy to do, because translation on text is now trivial.

This is all I could find:

https://static.rusi.org/201907_op_surkov_leaks_web_final.pdf

But it doesn't contain any emails.

Here's a question - why do you think OUR media hasn't reported on these?

WRT to Wikileaks, they have never covered anything that wasn't in English as far as I know. They are very good at authenticating information, this may be beyond their abilities.

richwicks says

- why do you think OUR media hasn't reported on these?

Media is not going to report anything that may be exculpatory evidence or positive news for any of the Administrative State's / Democrat Party's political enemies.

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richwicks says

- why do you think OUR media hasn't reported on these?

Media is not going to report anything that may be exculpatory evidence or positive news for any of the Administrative State's / Democrat Party's political enemies.

My hypothesis is our "news" media is only interested exclusively in propaganda. They never will show you what real information looks like even if it helps the current narrative. NOBODY is reporting on the Surkovleaks leaks that I know of, and I mean any media, not just corporate garbage.

RWSGFY says

In 2016 the so-called "Surkovleaks" dropped. That leak revealed that Russian paratroopers (VDV) were directly involved in the battles in Donbas back in 2014, proving that the Russian military was directly involved and dispelling any claims of any kind of rebellion there. Wikileaks didn't mention the Surkovleaks even once.

@RWSGFY

Please show me where I can find the Surkovleaks leaked emails. I will read them. I have found a synopsis of the emails, but I need the emails to verify that the conclusion I'm being given is correct.

We live in a world where everybody can do the groundwork research, and in which we know our media lies, and deceives the public. The synopsis may be correct, but I cannot tell without original documentation, and neither can you. I need to know if what is said is true, or deceptive. Where are the original emails?

RWSGFY says

Guess who is not talking about the Vulkan Files exposing Russian activities? Correct:

Wikileaks

First, this has no connection to Assange as he is rotting in an English prison thanks to the United States. So I would think as a US citizen, your focus would be on the US. So why are you attempting to derail the thread into Russian conspiracy theories?

antiwar.com has done extensive work on the current fiasco in Ukraine, and their only angle is no war. When you post something from them supporting your claims, I'll remove theories from this reply.

Patrick says

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/09/giant-mobile-billboard-campaign-for-julian-assange-goes-viral-and-will-keep-on-truckin-round-the-nations-capital/

The latest...

" Russian authorities have detained an American reporter for the Wall Street Journal and accused him of spying... Russia’s main security service, the FSB, claimed Thursday that Evan Gershkovich, a correspondent based in Moscow, had been trying to obtain state secrets... " https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/business/wsj-journalist-arrested-russia/index.html

To add insult to injury the UK is now talking about media freedom!



The_Deplorable

I might get a bumper sticker that says free "Julian Assange".

Something that says Martyr may soon be more accurate...

Trump should have pardoned Assange when he had the chance.

The_Deplorable says

" UK is now talking about media freedom"

The UK announced they stand shoulder to shoulder with the US for media freedom. US Globalists are now joining the British to defend press freedom!

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican RINO - Senate Minority Leader - Mitch McConnell are condemning WSJ reporter's arrest in Russia as a "violation of press freedoms." Yes, the same press freedoms that do not exist in the US.

"Let there be no mistake: journalism is not a crime... We demand the baseless, fabricated charges against Mr. Gershkovich be dropped and he be immediately released and reiterate our condemnation of the Russian government’s continued attempts to intimidate, repress, and punish independent journalists and civil society voices."

If "journalism is not a crime" then why is Julian Assange, locked in a maximum security prison the last four years and why is the U.S. government trying to extradite him for the "crime of good journalism?"

No answer.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/04/08/washington-says-journalism-is-not-a-crime/

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

In 2016 the so-called "Surkovleaks" dropped. That leak revealed that Russian paratroopers (VDV) were directly involved in the battles in Donbas back in 2014, proving that the Russian military was directly involved and dispelling any claims of any kind of rebellion there. Wikileaks didn't mention the Surkovleaks even once.

RWSGFY

Please show me where I can find the Surkovleaks leaked emails. I will read them. I have found a synopsis of the emails, but I need the emails to verify that the conclusion I'm being given is correct.

We live in a world where everybody can do the groundwork research, and in which we know our media lies, and deceives the public. The synopsis may be correct, but I cannot tell without original documentation, and neither can you. I need to know if what is said is true, or deceptive. Where are the original emails?

Hey at @RWSGFY - can't help but notice you've not responded to this...

Stop trusting some fucktard to do a correct synopsis. If you don't have the original documentation, assume the "synopsis" is false. Why do these mother fuckers refuse to source original information so people can verify it's correct? It's because they're lying.

I went through several years about the Mueller Report's, supposed, findings. You know what I never saw, quotes or page number of links.

Patrick says

Trump should have pardoned Assange when he had the chance.

That would have been the right thing to do. I don’t think that Trump was part of the globalists plan. Nor is he completely anti globalist. But rather the situation is more like this: Trump is one of the greatest showmen of this generation. But while his sense of business and showmanship is excellent his sense of morality is way off. And while he is not bought and paid for by the globalists, he is influenced by them in many ways, including an unspoken fear of losing control of his image which he probably felt would have happened had he pardon what many Americans and others in the west view as a criminal. It’s sad people have that perception, and Assange is not a moral man either by the sound of it. But Wikileaks was not a crime. The Steele Dossier, used to weaponize the justice system, that was a crime.

In London, Brazil's Lula calls for efforts to free Assange and this in response to a question about Assange.

"It is an embarrassment that a journalist who denounced trickery by one state against another is arrested, condemned to die in jail and we do nothing to free him... We talk about freedom of expression; the guy is in prison because he denounced wrongdoing. And the press doesn't do anything in defense of this journalist. I can't understand it."

Last week Australia’s Prime Minister Albanese asked "the US government to call off its prosecution of Assange."

"...enough is enough. There is nothing to be served by his ongoing incarceration. Last November, Albanese told Parliament that his "position is clear and has been made clear to the U.S. administration: That it is time that this matter be brought to a close." https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/london-brazils-lula-calls-efforts-free-assange-99143160

The_Deplorable says

"Last week Australia’s Prime Minister Albanese asked "the US government to call off its prosecution of Assange." "...enough is enough. There is nothing to be served by his ongoing incarceration. Last November, Albanese told Parliament that his "position is clear and has been made clear to the U.S. administration: That it is time that this matter be brought to a close." https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/london-brazils-lula-calls-efforts-free-assange-99143160 "

An Australian cross-party delegation met US Ambassador Caroline Kennedy and asked her help to drop the extradition against WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange. They call themselves the "Bring Julian Assange Home Parliamentary Group" and informed Ambassador Caroline Kennedy of "the widespread concern in Australia" about the continued detention of Assange.

"There are a range of views about Assange in the Australian community and the members of the Parliamentary Group reflect that diversity of views. But what is not in dispute in the Group is that Mr Assange is being treated unjustly..." https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/australian-lawmakers-meet-us-envoy-to-seek-release-of-julian-assange/

The US government says the release of the video clips showing the killing of unarmed civilians and journalists in Iraq "put lives in danger." Heh... No kidding? Exposing murder is now a crime?

This is a 2:00 minute video clip of Lula's powerful statement in London demanding Julian Assange's release:

"Brazilian Pres. Lula da Silva calls for a movement to defend Wikileaks founder Julian Assange from the U.S. Empire whose crimes he exposed. Lula said this last Saturday while in London for the coronation of King Charles III."

On World Press Freedom Day, Chris Hedges gave a talk at a rally calling for the immediate release of Julian Assange.

"The detention and persecution of Julian Assange eviscerates all pretense of the rule of law and the rights of a free press. The illegalities, embraced by the Ecuadorian, British, Swedish and U.S. governments are ominous.

They presage a world where the internal workings, abuses, corruption, lies and crimes, especially war crimes, carried out by corporate states and the global ruling elite, will be masked from the public.

They presage a world where those with the courage and integrity to expose the misuse of power will be hunted down, tortured, subjected to sham trials and given lifetime prison terms in solitary confinement.

They presage an Orwellian dystopia where news is replaced with propaganda, trivia and entertainment. The legal lynching of Julian, I fear, marks the official beginning of the corporate totalitarianism that will define our lives." https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chris-hedges-julian-assange-fight-we-must-not-lose

https://babylonbee.com/news/israel-to-buy-weapons-from-america-with-money-given-to-them-by-america-to-shoot-down-iranian-rockets-paid-for-by-america

Biden has approved a $735 million weapons sale to Israel. Israel will be paying for the weapons using money from foreign aid given to them by America. According to experts, Israel needs these weapons so they can shoot down Hamas rockets that were given to them by Iran, who paid for them using money given to them by America.

"Yeah, it's all pretty straightforward," said one Middle East expert. "Not confusing in the least."

According to sources, Iran bought weapons technology with $1.8 billion in cash given to them by the Obama administration. They then provided those weapons to Hamas terrorists in Gaza in order to kill Jews.

Israel is responding with weapons systems purchased with American foreign aid dollars from the Trump administration. ...

Assange says that all of this shit is primarily a way to launder money. I think he's right.

The_Deplorable says

Chris Hedges

Is a huge communist vegan born into Old Money private boarding school Liberation Theory nevermind-about-abominations-ignore-moral-Law-Just-Love Antinomian ZPG Radical Green Environmental on every issue faggot.

He worked for every Establishment and Wealth-funded Leftoid Newpaper and Foundation in the USA, from NYT to the Nation. Thinks the Christian Right is the biggest threat.

He might be right on Assange, but only because he believes it advances his anti-Liberty, pro-Technocracy Far Left Agenda. If he had power through his Progressive People's Party, he'd be just as bad or worse than the NWO with 15-minute cities and mandatory vegan diets and artifical shortages and restrictions based on Climate Bullshit. He just wants touchy-feely "Far Left Love is Love Pastors" running things instead of Oligarchs.

AmericanKulak says

"Chris Hedges... might be right on Assange..."

That is good enough given the topic. He is calling for the immediate release of Julian Assange!

The_Deplorable says

AmericanKulak says

"Chris Hedges... might be right on Assange..."

That is good enough given the topic. He is calling for the immediate release of Julian Assange!

Nah, let that FSB/KGB asset rot.

WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange declined to publish thousands of Russian government documents in 2016, according to a report Thursday.

The organization, which brands itself specializing in "censored or otherwise restricted official materials involving war, spying and corruption," declined Russian government data that would have amounted to thousands of pages.
...

WikiLeaks has been lauded for publishing troves of U.S. government information, ranging from diplomatic cables to apparent CIA cyber-weapons.

...

"They do not care about the causes of the people they claim to represent," he (Pompeo) said. "If they did, they would focus instead on autocratic regimes in this world that actually suppress free speech and dissent. Instead, they choose to exploit the legitimate secrets of democratic governments, which has — so far — proven to be a much safer approach than provoking a tyrant."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wikileaks-refused-to-publish-russian-government-documents-report

The shtick of independent truth-seeker isn't fooling anybody anymore. Except maybe the shoe-size IQ cohort/McGregor acolites, but these can't be helped.