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https://www.redfin.com/news/housing-markets-cooling-fastest-february-2023/

Housing Markets In West Coast Hubs And Zoom Towns Cooling Fastest

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/high-interest-rates-hammer-consumers-100101630.html

High interest rates hammer consumers seeking mortgage or car loans

https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/sun-belt-metros-lead-apartment-construction-boom-2023

Sun Belt metros lead apartment construction boom in 2023

I don't think housing is going to suffer too badly. "They" just don't want too many people living a full American life. "They" want 2 different economies. I for the few and 1 for the many.

GNL says

I don't think housing is going to suffer too badly. "They" just don't want too many people living a full American life. "They" want 2 different economies. I for the few and 1 for the many.

Here in the Florida panhandle the starting working wage is $16 an hour. Some jobs like landscaping offer up to $20 an hour to start.

The average rental is $1.60 per square foot, so a 2 bedroom 2 bath rents for around $1600 which typically will include water, sewer, garbage, internet, basic cable, a gym and a pool. Its about 6 working days to pay for rent.

Earning a combined $32 an hour, would equate to about $65,000 a year which would be able to afford a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 car garage townhome.

A dozen eggs cost $2.60, chicken legs cost $1.15 per pound, a can of cannelli beans cost 75 cents, a box of grapenuts cereal costs $4.50, and bananas cost 60 cents a pound at our local Piggly Wiggly in Panama City, Florida.

Gas is $2.95 a gallon on average.

As of now, it is livable conditions here and I hope it does not get worse like California or New York.

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zzyzzx says

https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/sun-belt-metros-lead-apartment-construction-boom-2023

Sun Belt metros lead apartment construction boom in 2023

Yeah, Panama City and Panama City Beach (as well as rest of Bay County) is going through major growth as far as mutlifamily housing especially townhomes.

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Earning a combined $32 an hour, would equate to about $65,000 a year which would be able to afford a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 car garage townhome.

Can you show me a listing where $32hr/$65k can purchase a 3/2 in that area?

GNL says

Can you show me a listing where $32hr/$65k can purchase a 3/2 in that area?

Here you go boy.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1813-Arthur-Ave-Panama-City-FL-32405/42783927_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1406-Baldwin-Rowe-Cir-Panama-City-FL-32405/87634504_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2420-Jason-Dr-Lynn-Haven-FL-32444/42763651_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1220-New-York-Ave-Lynn-Haven-FL-32444/42759551_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/325-Spring-Ave-Panama-City-FL-32401/42775766_zpid/

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GNL says

Can you show me a listing where $32hr/$65k can purchase a 3/2 in that area?

Here you go boy.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1813-Arthur-Ave-Panama-City-FL-32405/42783927_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1406-Baldwin-Rowe-Cir-Panama-City-FL-32405/87634504_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2420-Jason-Dr-Lynn-Haven-FL-32444/42763651_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1220-New-York-Ave-Lynn-Haven-FL-32444/42759...

$11/hr is the Florida minimum wage.

GNL says

$11/hr is the Florida minimum wage.

Come to the Florida panhandle like Panama City, boy

Look at the help wanted, such as landscaping entry level pay is $16 to $20 an hour

They will start at worst at $16 then give a raise to $18 within 6 months

McDonalds is hiring at $15 an hour but is paying more than that for some who have fast food experience, boy

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GNL says

$11/hr is the Florida minimum wage.

Come to the Florida panhandle like Panama City, boy

Look at the help wanted, such as landscaping entry level pay is $16 to $20 an hour

They will start at worst at $16 then give a raise to $18 within 6 months

McDonalds is hiring at $15 an hour but is paying more than that for some who have fast food experience, boy

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Why do you keep trying to insult me?

GNL says

Why do you keep trying to insult me?

That is how I talk. I use the word boy sometimes and it it just a way of talking, just like some use bro and man.

I am not talking this way to insult you.

Not sure why you reference minimum wage of $11 when it is irrelevant in most if not all of Florida. Starting salaries for fast food and working class jobs like entry level landscaping are a lot higher than the minimum wage here.

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ad says

GNL says

Why do you keep trying to insult me?

That is how I talk. I use the word boy sometimes and it it just a way of talking, just like some use bro and man.

I am not talking this way to insult you.

Not sure why you reference minimum wage of $11 when it is irrelevant in most if not all of Florida. Starting salaries for fast food and working class jobs like entry level landscaping are a lot higher than the minimum wage here.

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So, almost no one is being paid minimum wage where you're located in Florida?

GNL says

So, almost no one is being paid minimum wage where you're located in Florida?

They are being paid a lot more than the minimum wage for entry level jobs like in fast food in the Florida panhandle.

ad says

landscaping entry level pay is $16 to $20 an hour

And no State Income Tax.

Sellers clinging on to summer 2021 prices like bankers clinging on to bonds at "par value"...

B.A.C.A.H. says

And no State Income Tax.

That is very true, and property and sales tax is not very high here in Florida panhandle as well.

$15 an hour is entry level wage here and a 2 bedroom "luxury" apartment within 2 mile of beach rents for about $1600 a month (includes pool, gym, clubhouse, free water/sewer and internet) .. it takes 2 entry-level wage earners to afford the 2 bedroom apartment ...

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Professor Robert Shiller recommends delaying purchase of a home

https://nypost.com/2023/03/28/why-us-home-buyers-should-delay-purchases-yale-economist/

An ongoing plunge in US home prices represents an opportunity for patient house shoppers, famed Yale University economist Robert Shiller stated this week.

Home price declines are expected to accelerate this year as the Federal Reserve’s interest rate hikes weigh on the US economy and force sellers to sweeten the deal for buyers.

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Yes, it might go down but not much as there are no sellers. Cutting down regulations should make housing more affordable. We know it won’t happen. In either case free printing press at double digits inflation will not give much pause to housing prices.

Blue says

Yes, it might go down but not much as there are no sellers. Cutting down regulations should make housing more affordable. We know it won’t happen. In either case free printing press at double digits inflation will not give much pause to housing prices.

Yup. If there's no homes for sale, the floor on price drops is pretty high, if at all. My town for example has 820 (ish) residential structures. There's 3 for sale... 2 are shit sellers testing the market out. The good one goes overnight. If there's no homes for sale, prices really can't drop.

This is different in shit holes with out migration to other areas and states. The media then focuses on those areas like we're in a fucking housing crash. People buy it and then no one moves. No one puts the house on the market. No one is looking to buy. Interest rates are up. We've reached the stall at this point. Outside of CA and NY prices should be sideways. They just have the highest prices that crater the median and average price of homes nationally making it look doom and gloom. It is for them, but not everyone else.

https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate-news/federal-housing-administration-greenlights-40-year-mortgages

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — This week the Federal Housing Administration gave the OK to 40-year mortgages. It's a move designed to try and make it easier for first-time home buyers.

"If it helps people get into a house, it's a good thing," Sonsire Gonzalez, a real estate agent in Port St Lucie, said.

The idea is to reduce monthly mortgage payments, which have been rising as mortgage rates go up.

10,15,20,30 now 40y. Sounds like on the way to complete with Japan 100y. More and longer debt is just nothing but slavery.

Blue says

10,15,20,30 now 40y. Sounds like on the way to complete with Japan 100y. More and longer debt is just nothing but slavery.

Stretching payments an extra 10 years helps even with a slightly higher interest rate:

https://www.mortgagecalculator.org/calcs/40-year.php

Still not as good as interest only like we had in Housing Bubble 1.0

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/us-housing-market-unaffordable-mortgage-rates-home-prices-inventory-demand-2023-4

Housing is so unaffordable that banks are losing money for each mortgage they finance for the first time ever

Misc says

Still not as good as interest only like we had in Housing Bubble 1.0

A 40 year (or more) mortgage is almost the same thing as an interest only mortgage.

California moves closer to Communism by taking a 20% stake in new home purchases...

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/california-front-20-down-payments-0-interest-homebuyers-incomes-211000

https://www.redfin.com/news/demand-down-second-homes-march-2023/

Demand For Vacation Homes Is Down More Than 50% From Pre-Pandemic Levels

NuttBoxer says

California moves closer to Communism by taking a 20% stake in new home purchases...

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/california-front-20-down-payments-0-interest-homebuyers-incomes-211000

Nope. This is a means to keep people in the state. I lived it in IL. CA is going through the exodus phase. It's going to get bad as CA as a state is the 5th largest country on its own GDP wise. You guys are in for some rough times overall, not just real estate.

Get involved in government is all I'll say. You guys had 6' plus of snow in the mountains and will have water shortages because of some spider or beetle might die off or go extinct so they don't build more reservoirs. In one of the covid vax threads we saw human action make things happen with Mountain View. Something as simple as water for the people you're suppose to be governing you can't get done with copious amounts of water?

People would stay and move there in droves. I spent 20-30 hours on the math of moving there. It makes no sense to live in CA. I'd put it at 5% making sense and that's mostly athletes, Hollywood, wine and golf. A doctor or nurse makes the same here or in Texas. Same with a mechanic, HVAC, plumber, electrician, etc while the COL is 1/2.

CA has two AR's in their hands pointed at their feet and they can't let go of the trigger.

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

California moves closer to Communism by taking a 20% stake in new home purchases...

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/california-front-20-down-payments-0-interest-homebuyers-incomes-211000

Nope. This is a means to keep people in the state. I lived it in IL. CA is going through the exodus phase. It's going to get bad as CA as a state is the 5th largest country on its own GDP wise. You guys are in for some rough times overall, not just real estate.

Get involved in government is all I'll say. You guys had 6' plus of snow in the mountains and will have water shortages because of some spider or beetle might die off or go extinct so they don't build more reservoirs. In one of the covid vax threads we s...

As asinine and for some outrageous this program may sound, it's limited in funds, and it will only drive up house prices for those who already own, so it's going to be beneficial wrt driving up asset inflation. It will make purchasing a house for the majority who won't get into that program even harder though, but whatever. Those braintards voted for it, so we'll enjoy continued gains. Thanks! There will be no housing crash in CA, net people leaving don't make enough dents in the scarce inventory. Prices will continue to march up with inflation (lesser in shithole cities, more so in beautiful rural areas) as long as the same politics/policies stay in place.

zzyzzx says

My townhome HOA about 2 miles from the beach in Florida panhandle started in 2004 and finished the last unit in 2017. There were 3 bedrm, 2.5 bath, 2 car garage townhomes that peaked around $285,000 in 2007. They then sold between $115,000 and $140,000 2010 to 2012.

The recent peak price has been around $330,000. I wonder if the they will crash and drop below $285,000. So the bottom of this real estate market (in 2024 ?) is equal to the peak or top in the last market (set 2007).

We bought a brand new one in 2016 for around $185,000 with a 3% mortgage with the Veteran Affairs and local bank.

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NuttBoxer says

California moves closer to Communism by taking a 20% stake in new home purchases...

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/california-front-20-down-payments-0-interest-homebuyers-incomes-211000

No need to get sensational with Communism stuff with this program. It’s a very generous program if you ask me. People are taking advantage of it. $300M program to help 2,300 home buyers. Hardly make a dent in the entire state purchases. At the same time, it helps to hold up the lower end real estate market for a few weeks.

zzyzzx says

This chart is not correct. Have to move the red arrow to the right by a year.

WookieMan says

CA is going through the exodus phase

Good. We need it.
The dysfunction about NIMBY, Proposition -13, tranny liberalism, etc etc just makes things even worse. It's too damn expensive here because it's too crowded. Traffic, high housing, fires, floods: those Four Horsemen trampling the state. Overcrowding, elbowing out one another, etc.

We're way beyond the carrying capacity for potable water. What you may call being in the sh*tter is a welcome, needed correction.

zzyzzx says

Demand For Vacation Homes Is Down More Than 50% From Pre-Pandemic Levels

Checked out housing up in Arrowhead after visiting for vacation. For one, there were lots of properties available on short notice, and two, a lot of the vacation rentals are being turned into long-term rentals. Seems to confirm your link.