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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183

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https://www.jenreviews.com/intermittent-fasting/

Fasting is the practice of abstaining or reducing consumption of food, drink, or both, for a specific period of time. Everyone fasts for at least some part of the day, generally the eight or so hours that one spends sleeping every night. Physiologically, fasting can refer to a persons metabolic status after not eating overnight, or even the metabolic state after the complete digestion of a meal. Once youve gone eight to 12 hours without eating, the body enters a state of fasting. The practice of fasting can lead to a number of metabolic changes within the body. These changes...

ohomen171 says

said people could "get into trouble" with their health if it was done without medical guidance.

How many doctors could effectively counsel people how to do intermittent fasting and ditto for so-called ADA certified diabetes educators who push the 1800 calorie/day diet like it's a cookie cutter plan

I believe that. I had a keyboard playing friend. Who grew enamored by a girl that was Oxy/Heroin junky. He spent every penny he made on her habit. It got to the point he was getting thin as a bone.
Before that he was diabetic, he couldn't eat anything. Any sugar in the sauce or an ingredient that created sugars he would go in a diabetic shock. He pretty much walked around with his own food for every social gathering he went to. By time I noticed how bad he was looking we were asking if he was on drugs. But he swore up and down he was just spending all of his money on her. But after he lost about 70 lbs he was eating anything and it didn't bother him. That was a few years back, she's gone, he's gained back weight, and his chronic diabetes is back. I say "had" because now we probably only jam with him about once a year now if that.

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Oh really? I call bullshit on this study. Try fasting instead. Extended fasting induces autophagy which uses useless cells & malformed proteins as energy in the absence of food. I am not a doctor but this seems better to me. Plus it’s free & why your doctor will never tell you to do it.

“Alzheimer's disease is thought to be caused by the abnormal build-up of proteins in and around brain cells.”

The fact that fasting is traditional in all major religions also makes me think there is some big health benefit to it.

Patrick says

The fact that fasting is traditional in all major religions also makes me think there is some big health benefit to it.

There was a study that mice live almost twice longer if they are kept slightly calorie-deficient.

Bd6r says

There was a study that mice live almost twice longer if they are kept slightly calorie-deficient.

That's probably because a caloric deficient body, isn't going to tax its muscles optimally. They don't give their body as much ware and tear.
It didn't get a chronic injury fighting an alpha male to mate, or push itself to collect garbage to nest, it didn't run to burn off excess energy, wasn't out in the sight of birds of prey.

Lots of reasons that would support one subject that is just under being fit, could outlive another subject, that is optimally fit to pass on their genes.

I fasted 20 days, it works.

I've always suspected occasional fasting was healthy. Mostly because its in our evolution. Not implying I think everything in our history is necessarily healthy for us, but I think it's wise to be skeptical of changes.

You can be fat, and thus have tons of reserve calories, but you will still be starving if you don't eat for a short period of time. And the hunger mechanism is very strong, and difficult for humans to resist the body's calls to eat. I think this made a lot of sense back 10,000+ years ago when food wasnt always available whenever you wanted it, much less tasty food, as it would drive people to constantly pursue badly needed nourishment and energy, and to build up fat stores so you can be like a bear in the winter and not perish. And due to more volatile living conditions, brief periods of no food or low were probably common. Once you go without food for a bit, your body switches out of fat storage and into fat burning mode, giving these bodily systems a constant exercise, keeping them working well.

When I follow a keto diet, its very uncomfortable at first, but the body adjusts and soon I feel normal. If I also restrict calories, and thus push myself into a mild starvation, it's an odd feeling. On one hand, the hunger pangs can hurt sometimes, and my energy is a bit lower, but I also tend to get this very pleasurable high from it that resembles a brain fog. I always assumed the body is trying to keep you going and in high spirits so that you can eventually overcome your food deficit and thrive again, instead of spiraling into death.

So I dunno...the modern life where we never go hungry for more than a few hours seems so different to our evolution which likely included lots of brief periodic starvation. I'm doubtful it's good to let our emergency energy reserve systems atrophy by eating so regularly. I also think our strong hunger drive is no longer suited to us, and its now just too strong in the presence of tasty food on shelves 24/7.

The last time I regenerated my pancreas this way, it dissolved half my liver with enzymes out of spite. I'm not doing that again.

Uighur pancreas farming - more than a cottage industry?

I hate to admit it, but OhoHomo had a point with intermittent fasting. Like @ Hircus says, you just need to get past the first 24 hours, then your body switches to fat -burning mode. I typically gain 20 lbs in winter, then lose it in summer with near daily grilling of grass-fed beef.

Food tastes so much better when you haven't eaten in 2-3 days. The sense of smell and taste are substantially heightened. If you do OMAD or longer fasting periods, you can eat the fattiest, richest, multicourse meals you can imagine.

Humans are fat accumulation machines. When we reach middle/old age, our caloric requirements drop essentially to near zero. At this point, it's important to maximize micronutrients (since we're just maintaining at this point, to avoid resource competition with the younger breeding population), hence the emphasis on fatty grass-fed meats.

Ceffer says

The last time I regenerated my pancreas this way, it dissolved half my liver with enzymes out of spite. I'm not doing that again.

Sounds like you were on the "Whiskey Only" fast.

https://twitter.com/davidbelle/status/1701885099258626481

Hircus says

So I dunno...the modern life where we never go hungry for more than a few hours seems so different to our evolution which likely included lots of brief periodic starvation. I'm doubtful it's good to let our emergency energy reserve systems atrophy by eating so regularly. I also think our strong hunger drive is no longer suited to us, and its now just too strong in the presence of tasty food on shelves 24/7.

Our modern history is extremely short. We're talking 70-90 years. Men would work 12 hours a day. Maybe have a lunch. And go back 300 years your job was literally for food, for many at least. Wasn't about money (generally).

I'm not voluntarily fasting, but I've lost 30lbs since July with my new work. I cannot eat from 6am to probably 3-5pm most days. I do take vitamins, generally eat healthy at night which is only from 5pm-9pm roughly. But I also eat a lot during that time and still am losing weight. Can't do breakfast because I can't take a shit once I'm on the road so I can't risk eating in the morning. Just water throughout the day.

I feel the best I have since high school. And I still have my nightly beers. I don't know, I think fasting is normal and was how humans were for 99.9% of our existence until recently. Our increases in lifespan were because of advances in birthing medicine and better practices. Less dead 0-5 year olds. It wasn't having more food or living longer. If anything that's probably bringing it down as evidenced in Patrick's last comment.

It's hard to commit though and keep with it. But you can have days where you go crazy. Today will be one of those for me. Breakfast sandwich, BBQ half rack of ribs and a couple brats for lunch. And I think some spaghetti for dinner. So it's not like you have to starve yourself all the time. Takes discipline or a job that forces it which is rare now.

WookieMan says

weight. Can't do breakfast because I can't take a shit once I'm on the road so I can't risk eating in the morning. Just water throughout the day.

Haha epic! I know that situation. I don't eat anything and even skip the coffee when I have a longer drive in the morning or roadtrip until many hours in. Nothing worse than having to take a dump while in traffic. Water only. It's a great cleanse

mell says

WookieMan says

weight. Can't do breakfast because I can't take a shit once I'm on the road so I can't risk eating in the morning. Just water throughout the day.

Haha epic! I know that situation. I don't eat anything and even skip the coffee when I have a longer drive in the morning or roadtrip until many hours in. Nothing worse than having to take a dump while in traffic. Water only. It's a great cleanse

I don't even leave the house before my morning ritual! I've been doing 16 to 20 hour fasts for 4+ years which helps keep me regular. I drink coffee from the moment I get up to help speed things along.

socal2 says

mell says

WookieMan says

weight. Can't do breakfast because I can't take a shit once I'm on the road so I can't risk eating in the morning. Just water throughout the day.

Haha epic! I know that situation. I don't eat anything and even skip the coffee when I have a longer drive in the morning or roadtrip until many hours in. Nothing worse than having to take a dump while in traffic. Water only. It's a great cleanse

I don't even leave the house before my morning ritual! I've been doing 16 to 20 hour fasts for 4+ years which helps keep me regular. I drink coffee from the moment I get up to help speed things along.

Good man! Depending on how much I eat the evening before I usually need 2-3 short or 1 long morning dump within an hour. I even get up earlier for this as working out after it is so great. But sometimes I have to leave so early that I can't finish it, so I leave out food and coffee for those rare occasions. Otherwise at least always coffee, and occasionally a small breakfast. Nothing better than intermittent fasting. Also coffee boosts workouts nicely.

A dump of ungulate, hideous majesty, firing all five feet of the large intestine with elevated gas pressure, is the sign of a healthy pancreas.

However, the bathroom is a no man's land for an hour afterward.

On OMAD, either after sleep or within 30 minutes of feeding, the GI fires up and I'm off to the loo.

I remember back in the day in high school - football players who would eat mountains of (largely carb) food would DESTROY toilets with multi-foot loaves. It became a poop-measuring contest in addition to the standard dick measuring contest. Ha, ha, those crazy athletes . . .

To this day, the most perverse, perverted and strange people I have run across in my life were the kids at Uni. They used to have a weekly 'fabulous feces' contest in my dorm, and the math guys calculated length by using equations for the curl factor.

Ceffer says

and the math guys calculated length by using equations for the curl factor.

How derivative. But I guess such antics are integral to college frat life.

https://xnumber11x.substack.com/p/insulin-resistance-is-so-hot-right

Insulin is a natural hormone which is produced by your pancreas. It is produced in response to eating glucose (sugar) and protein. The main concern for our body is to remove excess sugars from the bloodstream. Proteins are sometimes a problem but that is a topic for another post.

Normally as your glucose goes up the insulin will attach to the insulin receptor of the cell which allows the glucose to enter the cell. The cell uses that glucose to make energy.

Insulin is like a key that opens a gate to your cell.

The cell uses glucose to make energy.

In the case of insulin resistance the glucose doesn’t go into the cell.

So for some reason the key, is not opening the gate anymore. Now you have glucose in the bloodstream and the question is why.

If you have been eating too much glucose for too long the cell now cannot make room for any more glucose.




So it is not that the key (insulin) doesn’t work anymore, the gate is wide open, but if the cell is overflowing with glucose, then no more glucose can enter the cell. This is what causes insulin resistance.

Insulin resistance is associated with many of the common diseases we see in the West; the diseases that RFK. Jr. talked about in his recent speech.

So if you want to get a head start on Making America Healthy Again — MAHA — then you need to know that you can do it. Fasting is the cheapest, easiest way to do it. You save money because you don’t need to buy as much food. You save time because you don’t need to spend as much time preparing food.

In order to help the cell to empty out the glucose there are a variety of solutions which include: fasting, low carbohydrate diets, and exercise.

Patrick says

In order to help the cell to empty out the glucose there are a variety of solutions which include: fasting, low carbohydrate diets, and exercise.

Keeping the weight down also avoids type 2 diabetes.

Every bad Diabetic person I knew, gets 1000 percent better when they fall on hard times, and are limited to what they eat.
Since they know their condition, they limit their purchases to healthy food. Plus the quantity and caloric intake is reduced by 60%. They get thin and look great. But then as soon as they start doing good financially again. They start eating crap they know they shouldn't.
The involuntary diet is the best diet.