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HeadSet says

Nonsense. The US just stopped selling to Japan because Japan was invading and conquering its neighbors.

The US had an embargo on Japan, they were preventing trade by anybody..

Japan was a bunch of assholes before WWII but don't claim the US wasn't poking them constantly either.

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1710990879790629080



I agree with all of this.

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I have no sympathy for willing stooges, and patsies. That's the problem with Useful Idiot commies, they are not fine people because they go along with it.

RayAmerica says

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I don't think so. Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion and ethnic group. Anti-Semitism is hating people just because they are Jewish, without regard to their own actions.

There are Hasidic Jews who oppose Zionism. Are they anti-Semitic?

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the estab­lishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legiti­macy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/here-we-go-loop-de-loop/

You know, of course, that the CIA’s job is to detect sinister doings in other countries, especially as they might affect our own country. Looks like they missed something lately in the spook-filled space between Iran and Israel. Do you suppose they’re too busy running Facebook? And their domestic companion, the FBI, has been working overtime for years now, between their mighty labors concocting RussiaGate and the current program to root out election deniers and other seditious riffraff — while millions of sketchy mutts from here, there, and everywhere in the world scuttle over our border with Mexico and decant across our fruited plains — with assistance, you understand, from our own border officials — and, yet, no questions asked. Here’s a free phone and an auto-refilling debit card. Have a nice day in Skokie, Plattsburgh, or wherever! And don’t forget to send in your court appearance forms by the 2030 deadline!

So, it came as a big surprise when southern Israel was overrun by Hamas dudes in tricked-out pickup trucks and para-gliders on Saturday, who carried home hundreds of nubile young women to have sport with, after slaughtering hundreds more people of all ages, like rampaging bronze age Philistines. That fresh enormity is, shall we say, quite a ways from resolution at this time. I’ll tell you what will be an even bigger surprise, though: when some organized unit of those aforesaid mutts of unknown origin who snuck across our border sets off something like a dirty bomb in New York, Los Angeles, or Washington DC. Or takes over a nuclear power station. Or… well, I wouldn’t want to put any ideas in a bad actor’s head. But you get the picture, I’m sure.

So, we’re in something that smells like uncharted territory this autumn Monday, and events are galloping faster than anyone can process. The scene looks a little bit like World War Three. At least any child of twelve could game it out that way in three easy steps. Say, the chief mullah in Teheran issues some crude remark about how Israel had it coming, yadda yadda … and the IDF forthwith fires a cruise missile up his qabaa… and next thing you know, so many mushroom clouds rise over the Levant that it looks like a shitake farm.

All this while the USA struggles to restore its political mental health after years of domestic abuse at the hands of our own government. A big question here is what kind of correction will it require to straighten out that abusive government… or can anything at all avail before having to shred the whole goshdarn operation and start over? Quien sabe? (As they say in Plattsburgh nowadays.)

Patrick says

Looks like they missed something lately in the spook-filled space between Iran and Israel. Do you suppose they’re too busy running Facebook? And their domestic companion, the FBI, has been working overtime for years now, between their mighty labors concocting RussiaGate and the current program to root out election deniers and other seditious riffraff

I think it is intentional as far as expert class in targeting knucklehead January 6 protesters whereas inept and incompetent as far as Chicom espionage , Mexican cartels, and Islamic extremism.

It is a Woke version of an anarcho tyranny mixture of 1984 + Keystone Cops + Demolition Man.

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Illuminati techniques, secret organizations, treachery, propaganda, blackmail, bribery and chambered hierarchies are more or less generic and non denominational, and were developed mostly by Jesuits over centuries of subterfuge, subversion, Inquisition torture and infiltration, which is why everybody uses them in their intelligence agencies (and why a lot of countries have kicked out the Jesuits). They are used both by 'black hats' and 'white hats' more or less routinely, if to different ends and at different levels of moral composure.

If they are attributed as denominational, it is usually a distraction or misdirection for purpose. 'Zionism' it seems is part of the Illuminati horn books attributed by a journalist to 'Elders of Zion'. In that sense, it is a false attribution of source and origin, although accurately reflecting many standard Illuminati type 'commandments'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

"Largely plagiarized from several earlier sources, it was first published in Imperial Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. It played a key part in popularizing belief in an international Jewish conspiracy."

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1711460416356765764

Patrick says

Bibi Netanyahu could pin this on the Israeli deep state or intel services which were reportedly politically targeting him.

He could say he told them to look into this Egyptian intel report and that the Israeli intel services failed to take further effective action.

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Patrick says

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I don't think so. Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion and ethnic group. Anti-Semitism is hating people just because they are Jewish, without regard to their own actions.

There are Hasidic Jews who oppose Zionism. Are they anti-Semitic?

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the estab­lishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legiti­macy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

I couldn't agree more. In numerous places throughout the Old Testament, over and over again, the requirement for obtaining the land was repentance and turning back to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Zionism, founded by Theodor Herzl, is a secular/political movement, that, in fact, introduced terrorism into the region. Prior to the Zionist invasion, Jews, while making up less that 5% of the population of the Holy Land, lived in peaceful harmony with Muslims and Christians. It was the Zionists that changed all that, and the people in that region have been living with violence ever since.

So Bibi was warned, and did nothing?

That's reminiscent of the 'surprise' attack on Pearl Harbor. It is now known that the United States broke not only the diplomatic code, but also Japan's military code. FDR knew in advance that Japan's carrier force was heading to Pearl Harbor and that the attack was imminent. He did absolutely nothing to warn Admiral Kimmel, who became the scapegoat for the disaster.

War is coming folks ... and it's going to be a big one involving all the major powers.

NuttBoxer says

But just to confirm, you support IDF killing children, and bombing civilians?

Respectfully, this is a retarded clown-show question to ask.

Especially a few days after the whole world watched Islamist terrorists from Gaza kill, rape and pillage innocent civilians at concerts, bus stations and pulled out of their homes to be executed, raped or taken hostage.

Israeli victims were not collateral damage of Islamists attacking military sites, Israeli civilians were the prime target of murder and rape.

For a dude that likes to talk up religion and hating war, YOU appear to have a massive broken moral compass. Especially when Hamas (and Iran) make it clear as day that they want to kill every Jew on the planet - not just Israel.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1711106861943185532

Patrick says

Many on your forum seem to struggle with this basic stuff.

We want peace but if america defend israel then russia will help palestine "russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov"

https://twitter.com/Ali7861216216/status/1711395118823944257

Eric Holder says

We want peace but if america defend israel then russia will help palestine "russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov"

https://twitter.com/Ali7861216216/status/1711395118823944257

Relax - the Islamists, Russians, Marxists, Chinese, American Socialists and 9/11 Troofers are going to save us from Satanist Jewish conspiracies and Pax Americana!

Some who ostensibly claim to be on the political Right are desperately waiting to get their marching orders from Bannon and MAGA to figure out how to square this circle for them.

socal2 says

Respectfully, this is a retarded clown-show question to ask.

I'm against killing kids, don't care who does it. My morality is personal and God given, it doesn't change with the party or country who does it. I'm against all war, because it only benefits banks, governments, and sociopaths? What about you? IDF stated what I asked, not me, just wondering how you can support people who are ok killing kids?

If it's not clear, fuck Hamas, Fuck IDF, fuck sick people who rationalize supporting organizations who are ok murdering children, fuck government. I'm not afraid to say exactly what I stand for every time, still haven't heard from you...

All of you who didn't fall for the scamdemic, or the Ukraine fiasco. If you're frothing at the mouth for justice for Israel you're the same as the Covidites, and brainwashed Ukraine supporters. You owe them an apology, because the deep state finally found the propaganda that you'd fall for.

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1711123894797840774

Rukshan Fernando
@therealrukshan

Flying in armed terror squads to a music festival attended by unarmed young women and men from Israel and around the world, who are there promoting peace, and then systematically murdering, raping, kidnapping, and mutilating them in front of an adoring public, who further desecrate those bodies, is not an act of resistance.

The level of depravity and hatred it requires for anyone to find solidarity in terrorists hunting and butchering young women and men at a music festival cannot be understated.

More than 250 festival attendees are feared dead, with many more missing.

NuttBoxer says

I'm against killing kids, don't care who does it. My morality is personal and God given, it doesn't change with the party or country who does it. I'm against all war, because it only benefits banks, governments, and sociopaths?

I don't believe you.

Otherwise you wouldn't be creating retarded "IDF Has Publicly Stated they Murder Children" post the day after the biggest and most brutal attack on civilians in Israel's history. We have hundreds of absolutely shocking Islamist snuff videos of them celebrating their killing, raping and kidnapping women and children civilians. And you post this shit the day after?

In fact, I can't recall a single negative post from you about Islamist barbarity around the world. They sure as shit have killed lots of kids over the years both as targets and brainwashing them to be suicide bombers and other cannon fodder.

In many telegram channels, there is a short interesting moment in the enemy video from the military base where the IDF girls were captured. A Hamas militant commands him “to the floor” in Russian. How does he know Russian? Why did you decide that the Israelis would definitely understand him? And what was that? No well-known private organization could be involved in these events?

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1710990879790629080

I agree with all of this.

This is the only sane outlook I've seen so far. Everyone else automatically calls me a Jihadist for say Israel shares fault, and Gaza deserves prayer. Last time I encountered this much Middle Eastern racism was a few years after 9/11. Bothered me then, bothers me now.

NuttBoxer says

Everyone else automatically calls me a Jihadist for say Israel shares fault, and Gaza deserves prayer. Last time I encountered this much Middle Eastern racism was a few years after 9/11. Bothered me then, bothers me now.

You are not merely "sharing fault" with Israel - you are aping the the worst Russian and Islamist propaganda against Israel and even using your Christian religion to criticize Jews. Have you criticized Hamas for murdering nearly 1,000 people yet? I can't recall a single post of yours criticizing Islamist attacks from over the years. (happy to be proven wrong)

It bothers me that Islamists from Africa, Asia, Europe and North America have been raping and pillaging Christians, Jews, Hindus, Yezidis, Baha'is and secular Muslims for my entire lifetime. Virtually every Christian and Jew has been ethnically cleansed from the Middle East due to Islamist terror.

The most violent places on this planet are on the fringes of Islam because Islam is a supremacist ideology and can not get along with non-Muslims unless they are in the minority and under Islam's thumb.

socal2 says

It bothers me that Islamists from Africa, Asia, Europe and North America have been raping and pillaging Christians, Jews, Hindus, Yezidis, Baha'is and secular Muslims for my entire lifetime. Virtually every Christian and Jew has been ethnically cleansed from the Middle East due to Islamist terror.

About a dozen Nepalese "Dry Farming Techniques" student-workers and some Thais were killed in the Kibbutz attack to shouts of "Allah Akbar"

Patrick says

I agree with all of this.

Egypt-Gaza border is three layers of concrete, ditches, and barbed wire.

PIJ and Hamas like to smuggle weapons and experts to Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS in the Sinai.

The Egyptians just flood the tunnels when they find them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency

RayAmerica says

Prior to the Zionist invasion, Jews, while making up less that 5% of the population of the Holy Land, lived in peaceful harmony with Muslims and Christians.

"Israel is the source of violence in the Middle East" BS:


The deadliest war in the Middle East was Saddam trying to take total control of the Shatt-al Waterway by wresting it from what he believed was an Iran understrength from their recent Revolution. The second was by Arab Powers in Africa that had nothing to do with Israel. The Third, and one of the shortest in time, was battles between Muslim Brotherhood, the Dictatorship of the House of Assad, Kurds, ISIS, etc. all having a go at each other.

socal2 says

Have you criticized Hamas for murdering nearly 1,000 people yet?

Ever seen this site?

https://rememberthesechildren.org/#gsc.tab=0

It used to keep track of just children killed in the never ending conflict. They stopped in 2014, because nobody cares.

Israel is by far killing many more people than Hamas is. Who cares? Just another dumb fucking war. I'm used to them now

Warmongers Start Push For US Involvement In Iran Following Hamas Attack

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warmongers-start-push-us-involvement-iran-following-hamas-attack

"This was not just an attack on Israel, this was an attack on AMERICA." - Nikki Haley

"We SUSPECT that Iran is involved." (who needs proof?) - U. S. Ambassador to Israel Amber Herzog

Sen. Lindsey Graham added that if Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies attempt to attack Israeli defense systems, the United States should immediately target Iranian oil refineries and oil infrastructure, “which is the lifeblood of the Iranian economy.”

The Senator continued, “It is long past time for the Iranian terrorist state to pay a price for all the upheaval and destruction being sown throughout the region and world.”

That this might lead to WW III doesn't seem to concern the NeoCon Senator.

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Meanwhile Senator Chuck Schumer is meeting the President Xi of China trying to get him to not make Biden look bad for next 13 months. Media has given this little coverage.

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Tucker Carlson Obliterates a Senator, a Congressman, and a Presidential Candidate for Demanding War

And it only took him a little over two minutes to do it.

https://rumble.com/v3o5xgb-tucker-carlson-obliterates-a-senator-a-congressman-and-a-presidential-candi.html

He's right, the US should stay out. No matter what Israel does. It's their conflict.

https://maajidnawaz.substack.com/p/israel-helped-to-found-hamas-and#details

Hamas Took The Bait

Upon the above, what seems likely is that certain psychopaths at Mossad picked up word, and turned a blind eye, to certain other psychopaths at Hamas attacking innocent people inside Israel.

But why would Israel do that? Such a bloody but tactical retreat by Israel allows for Hamas to walk straight into a trap: to inadvertently create a domestic 9/11 moment for Netanyahu to exploit. Hamas just ensured hitherto failing Netanyahu’s political survival, and worse facilitated the Israeli re-invasion of Gaza. Recall that Netanyahu had become a deeply unpopular political pariah inside Israel.




“In the meantime, the anti-Netanyahu protests are on hold. Organisers cancelled Saturday evening’s protests, citing the security situation and voicing support for the army.”

This is how Hamas just walked straight into a trap.

Yes, I do think Hamas was offered the opportunity to butcher Israelis and jumped at the chance. Now they will die, too. Idiots.

Such power moves by Saudi Arabia threatened her rival for Islamic domination in the region, Iran. In this context, and by assuring devastating Israeli retaliation in Gaza, this latest attack by Hamas firmly upsets any Saudi aspirations for leading peace initiatives in the region. With Gaza being bombed to rubble, the Saudis have no choice but to pull out.

Israel is of course set to respond to yesterday’s attacks in fury, by totally destroying Hamas in Gaza and reoccupying it. Facilitating Israel’s reoccupation of Gaza ensures that Saudi plans for regional peace are immediately placed on ice. Iran lives another day.

Of course! Why didn't I immediately see this? It was that evil Putin and those barbarian Russians that were behind this!

BREAKING: Zelensky blames Putin for Hamas attack on Israel

He posted the video to X, with the caption:

"We have data very clearly proving that Russia is interested in inciting war in the Middle East. So that a new source of pain and suffering would erode global unity and exacerbate cleavages and controversies, helping Russia in destroying freedom in Europe.

We can see Russian propagandists gloating. We can see Moscow’s Iranian friends openly extending a helping hand to those who attacked Israel.

All of this represents a much greater threat than the world is currently aware of. The world wars of the past were triggered by local aggressions.

We know how to counter this threat. We have already prepared the necessary steps. And our primary goal is to protect the need for maximum global unity."
https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-zelensky-blames-putin-for-hamas-attack-on-israel

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

RWSGFY says

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

The US is going to lose the proxy war, they need an excuse to start a new one. You saw the US do this once already.

Remember the endless covid fear propaganda, once Russia actually went into Ukraine in force, it ended within a week.

Ukraine is on hold. I expect the war to continue for a long time, mostly for money laundering, no real gains or losses in land, but there might be many more deaths. Meanwhile, the US MIGHT be gearing up for war against Iran. The US will just bomb it from the sky, I doubt much infantry will go in.

Ukraine will be like Afghanistan - the war will continue, but our news media won't report on it.

RWSGFY says

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

The rank hypocrisy really is stunning.

So many masks dropping at Patnet over the past year.

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

socal2 says

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

@socal2 - Let's see a source for this.

When I read over-the-top stuff like this, I first doubt it, then I put in a minimal amount of research to determine if there's any evidence it's true, then when I don't immediately find evidence, I ask for a source. Perhaps it IS true, but demonstrate it.

I see so much stupid propaganda about the Israeli Palestine conflict, I'm sick of it. All your time is taken up pointing out "errors" if not outright lies.

All this nonsense does is destroy credibility, and all you have left believing the propaganda are dummies that don't put in any effort to know ANYTHING. I am naturally inclined to believe anything reported about Israel as being false, because I see way more lies than I see truth.

richwicks says

socal2 says

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

socal2 - Let's see a source for this.

"Abbas later entered graduate studies at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, where he earned a Candidate of Sciences degree (the Soviet equivalent of a PhD). His doctoral dissertation was The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas#:~:text=Abbas%20later%20entered%20graduate%20studies,and%20they%20had%20three%20sons.

He's right up your alley!

richwicks says

Let's see a source for this.

He has made statements of the reason why Jewish peopole were persecuted : https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-holocaust-abbas-antisemitism-1d84b3a82f0d8ff3fd8601f06bc1176e

His PhD covered Hitler as being a Zionist because of his approval of the Haavara Agreement. Hitler wanted Jewish people to leave Germany but that they had to sell off their assets for payment in German made goods that were to be shipped to Israel.