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NuttBoxer says

I'm against killing kids, don't care who does it. My morality is personal and God given, it doesn't change with the party or country who does it. I'm against all war, because it only benefits banks, governments, and sociopaths?

I don't believe you.

Otherwise you wouldn't be creating retarded "IDF Has Publicly Stated they Murder Children" post the day after the biggest and most brutal attack on civilians in Israel's history. We have hundreds of absolutely shocking Islamist snuff videos of them celebrating their killing, raping and kidnapping women and children civilians. And you post this shit the day after?

In fact, I can't recall a single negative post from you about Islamist barbarity around the world. They sure as shit have killed lots of kids over the years both as targets and brainwashing them to be suicide bombers and other cannon fodder.

In many telegram channels, there is a short interesting moment in the enemy video from the military base where the IDF girls were captured. A Hamas militant commands him “to the floor” in Russian. How does he know Russian? Why did you decide that the Israelis would definitely understand him? And what was that? No well-known private organization could be involved in these events?

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1710990879790629080

I agree with all of this.

This is the only sane outlook I've seen so far. Everyone else automatically calls me a Jihadist for say Israel shares fault, and Gaza deserves prayer. Last time I encountered this much Middle Eastern racism was a few years after 9/11. Bothered me then, bothers me now.

NuttBoxer says

Everyone else automatically calls me a Jihadist for say Israel shares fault, and Gaza deserves prayer. Last time I encountered this much Middle Eastern racism was a few years after 9/11. Bothered me then, bothers me now.

You are not merely "sharing fault" with Israel - you are aping the the worst Russian and Islamist propaganda against Israel and even using your Christian religion to criticize Jews. Have you criticized Hamas for murdering nearly 1,000 people yet? I can't recall a single post of yours criticizing Islamist attacks from over the years. (happy to be proven wrong)

It bothers me that Islamists from Africa, Asia, Europe and North America have been raping and pillaging Christians, Jews, Hindus, Yezidis, Baha'is and secular Muslims for my entire lifetime. Virtually every Christian and Jew has been ethnically cleansed from the Middle East due to Islamist terror.

The most violent places on this planet are on the fringes of Islam because Islam is a supremacist ideology and can not get along with non-Muslims unless they are in the minority and under Islam's thumb.

socal2 says

It bothers me that Islamists from Africa, Asia, Europe and North America have been raping and pillaging Christians, Jews, Hindus, Yezidis, Baha'is and secular Muslims for my entire lifetime. Virtually every Christian and Jew has been ethnically cleansed from the Middle East due to Islamist terror.

About a dozen Nepalese "Dry Farming Techniques" student-workers and some Thais were killed in the Kibbutz attack to shouts of "Allah Akbar"

Patrick says

I agree with all of this.

Egypt-Gaza border is three layers of concrete, ditches, and barbed wire.

PIJ and Hamas like to smuggle weapons and experts to Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS in the Sinai.

The Egyptians just flood the tunnels when they find them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency

RayAmerica says

Prior to the Zionist invasion, Jews, while making up less that 5% of the population of the Holy Land, lived in peaceful harmony with Muslims and Christians.

"Israel is the source of violence in the Middle East" BS:


The deadliest war in the Middle East was Saddam trying to take total control of the Shatt-al Waterway by wresting it from what he believed was an Iran understrength from their recent Revolution. The second was by Arab Powers in Africa that had nothing to do with Israel. The Third, and one of the shortest in time, was battles between Muslim Brotherhood, the Dictatorship of the House of Assad, Kurds, ISIS, etc. all having a go at each other.

socal2 says

Have you criticized Hamas for murdering nearly 1,000 people yet?

Ever seen this site?

https://rememberthesechildren.org/#gsc.tab=0

It used to keep track of just children killed in the never ending conflict. They stopped in 2014, because nobody cares.

Israel is by far killing many more people than Hamas is. Who cares? Just another dumb fucking war. I'm used to them now

Warmongers Start Push For US Involvement In Iran Following Hamas Attack

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warmongers-start-push-us-involvement-iran-following-hamas-attack

"This was not just an attack on Israel, this was an attack on AMERICA." - Nikki Haley

"We SUSPECT that Iran is involved." (who needs proof?) - U. S. Ambassador to Israel Amber Herzog

Sen. Lindsey Graham added that if Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies attempt to attack Israeli defense systems, the United States should immediately target Iranian oil refineries and oil infrastructure, “which is the lifeblood of the Iranian economy.”

The Senator continued, “It is long past time for the Iranian terrorist state to pay a price for all the upheaval and destruction being sown throughout the region and world.”

That this might lead to WW III doesn't seem to concern the NeoCon Senator.

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Meanwhile Senator Chuck Schumer is meeting the President Xi of China trying to get him to not make Biden look bad for next 13 months. Media has given this little coverage.

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Tucker Carlson Obliterates a Senator, a Congressman, and a Presidential Candidate for Demanding War

And it only took him a little over two minutes to do it.

https://rumble.com/v3o5xgb-tucker-carlson-obliterates-a-senator-a-congressman-and-a-presidential-candi.html

He's right, the US should stay out. No matter what Israel does. It's their conflict.

https://maajidnawaz.substack.com/p/israel-helped-to-found-hamas-and#details

Hamas Took The Bait

Upon the above, what seems likely is that certain psychopaths at Mossad picked up word, and turned a blind eye, to certain other psychopaths at Hamas attacking innocent people inside Israel.

But why would Israel do that? Such a bloody but tactical retreat by Israel allows for Hamas to walk straight into a trap: to inadvertently create a domestic 9/11 moment for Netanyahu to exploit. Hamas just ensured hitherto failing Netanyahu’s political survival, and worse facilitated the Israeli re-invasion of Gaza. Recall that Netanyahu had become a deeply unpopular political pariah inside Israel.




“In the meantime, the anti-Netanyahu protests are on hold. Organisers cancelled Saturday evening’s protests, citing the security situation and voicing support for the army.”

This is how Hamas just walked straight into a trap.

Yes, I do think Hamas was offered the opportunity to butcher Israelis and jumped at the chance. Now they will die, too. Idiots.

Such power moves by Saudi Arabia threatened her rival for Islamic domination in the region, Iran. In this context, and by assuring devastating Israeli retaliation in Gaza, this latest attack by Hamas firmly upsets any Saudi aspirations for leading peace initiatives in the region. With Gaza being bombed to rubble, the Saudis have no choice but to pull out.

Israel is of course set to respond to yesterday’s attacks in fury, by totally destroying Hamas in Gaza and reoccupying it. Facilitating Israel’s reoccupation of Gaza ensures that Saudi plans for regional peace are immediately placed on ice. Iran lives another day.

Of course! Why didn't I immediately see this? It was that evil Putin and those barbarian Russians that were behind this!

BREAKING: Zelensky blames Putin for Hamas attack on Israel

He posted the video to X, with the caption:

"We have data very clearly proving that Russia is interested in inciting war in the Middle East. So that a new source of pain and suffering would erode global unity and exacerbate cleavages and controversies, helping Russia in destroying freedom in Europe.

We can see Russian propagandists gloating. We can see Moscow’s Iranian friends openly extending a helping hand to those who attacked Israel.

All of this represents a much greater threat than the world is currently aware of. The world wars of the past were triggered by local aggressions.

We know how to counter this threat. We have already prepared the necessary steps. And our primary goal is to protect the need for maximum global unity."
https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-zelensky-blames-putin-for-hamas-attack-on-israel

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

RWSGFY says

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

The US is going to lose the proxy war, they need an excuse to start a new one. You saw the US do this once already.

Remember the endless covid fear propaganda, once Russia actually went into Ukraine in force, it ended within a week.

Ukraine is on hold. I expect the war to continue for a long time, mostly for money laundering, no real gains or losses in land, but there might be many more deaths. Meanwhile, the US MIGHT be gearing up for war against Iran. The US will just bomb it from the sky, I doubt much infantry will go in.

Ukraine will be like Afghanistan - the war will continue, but our news media won't report on it.

RWSGFY says

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB. All Pukin cum gurglers gleefully proclaimed that this new crisis takes West's attention and resourses from the Soviet aggression against Ukraine. Now that Zelensky states the obvious they suddenly turn around and abandon their own well-though positions from 2 days ago. The intellectual dishonesty is stunning (no, not really - it's getting pretty predictable and boring).

The rank hypocrisy really is stunning.

So many masks dropping at Patnet over the past year.

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

socal2 says

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

@socal2 - Let's see a source for this.

When I read over-the-top stuff like this, I first doubt it, then I put in a minimal amount of research to determine if there's any evidence it's true, then when I don't immediately find evidence, I ask for a source. Perhaps it IS true, but demonstrate it.

I see so much stupid propaganda about the Israeli Palestine conflict, I'm sick of it. All your time is taken up pointing out "errors" if not outright lies.

All this nonsense does is destroy credibility, and all you have left believing the propaganda are dummies that don't put in any effort to know ANYTHING. I am naturally inclined to believe anything reported about Israel as being false, because I see way more lies than I see truth.

richwicks says

socal2 says

The current "moderate" leader of the Palestinian Authority (Arafat's successor) Abbas literally got a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

socal2 - Let's see a source for this.

"Abbas later entered graduate studies at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, where he earned a Candidate of Sciences degree (the Soviet equivalent of a PhD). His doctoral dissertation was The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas#:~:text=Abbas%20later%20entered%20graduate%20studies,and%20they%20had%20three%20sons.

He's right up your alley!

richwicks says

Let's see a source for this.

He has made statements of the reason why Jewish peopole were persecuted : https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-holocaust-abbas-antisemitism-1d84b3a82f0d8ff3fd8601f06bc1176e

His PhD covered Hitler as being a Zionist because of his approval of the Haavara Agreement. Hitler wanted Jewish people to leave Germany but that they had to sell off their assets for payment in German made goods that were to be shipped to Israel.

https://aghostinthemachine.substack.com/p/israels-911#details

In this episode, I share my thoughts about the situation with Israel and Palestine, as well as what I believe America’s response should be. Here’s the TL;DR (or too long; didn’t listen):

Israel’s 10/7 is a lot like America’s 9/11: if you’re an American, remember how you (and everyone around you) felt that day, and how your feelings were manipulated by power-hungry psychopaths to advance their interests at your expense;

Remember also all the red flags and anomalies that subsequently cast doubt on the official narrative, leading (for many people) to a growing belief that certain high-level officials in our own government knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, effectively sacrificing thousands of their own people in order to get the forever wars and surveillance state that they wanted (but couldn’t have pulled off before 9/11);

I fully expect those same patterns to emerge with Israel’s 10/7 — it seems inconceivable that the Mossad had no prior knowledge of Hamas’s plans and that hundreds of Hamas fighters were able to cross one of the most militarized borders on the planet (in an over-the-top theatrical way) without triggering an immediate response from the IDF, and that they were able to rampage through Israel for as long as they did without facing any resistance from military or police;

America should not be a party to this conflict; even if we felt our intervention was justified, we need to use our resources and manpower to get our own house in order;

Images of Hamas brutalizing young Israeli women truly do shock the conscience, as do images of black terrorists brutalizing white farmers in South Africa and images of black street criminals brutalizing pretty much everyone in America’s big cities — saying we should not intervene on behalf of Israel in this conflict does not mean that we should support Hamas — there’s a reason why ANTIFA and BLM supporters are also Hamas supporters — Israel is fully capable, without our help, of doing to Hamas what America should do to ANTIFA/BLM rioters;

The Israelis and the Palestinians are like the Hatfield’s and the McCoy’s: the only way for a third-party (like America) to win in this conflict is not to get involved;

America’s “friendship” with Israel has been one-sided and ruinously expensive for America and her people;

If America’s public officials cared half as much about protecting the interests of the American people as they care about the interests of Israel and Ukraine, we’d have a completely different country, fewer international enemies, and a fraction of the debt;

Americans are justified in questioning the true allegiance of any public official who demonstrates more concern for foreign peoples than they do for Americans — if (for example) Victoria Nuland demonstrates a reckless disregard for the well-being of Americans while pursuing foreign policy objectives that align more closely with the interests of Israel, Americans should see her as a snake and a quisling and treat her accordingly;

This also goes for pro-Palestinian, pro-Islamist Bolsheviks, like Ilhan Omar and the rest of her Squad — if we had a healthy civilization, Omar and her ilk would have been deported long ago;

The people of a nation are distinct from their government — and especially from the “inner ring” that holds the real power within their government: this is true for America, and it’s also true for Israel — and even for the Gaza strip;

The “friend/enemy” dichotomy is overly simplistic; different groups of people and different nations have different interests, with varying degrees of alignment or conflict based on their interests and how they prioritize those interests;

In some rare cases — such as George Soros and the ADL — the conflicts of interests are so severe (they want our people dead or enslaved) that they rise to the level of being an enemy, with whom no compromise or accommodation can be made; such enemies are demons who must be destroyed;

But it is also important to remember that George Soros and the ADL are not the same as “the Jews” — “the Jews” include various sub-groups with competing interests: reform/atheist Jews are often, but not always, aligned with the banksters and the Bolsheviks, but Orthodox Jews are mostly right-wing in their political beliefs and cultural norms and are among the most vocal opponents of the Bolshevik cultural revolution that is currently being promoted by Soros and the ADL;

The pro-Israel camp also includes lots of Christians, especially Evangelicals and Pentecostals, who are probably more fervent Zionists than most Jews, and these Christians are also vocal opponents of the Bolshevik cultural revolution;

The pro-Palestinian side includes almost all the non-Jewish Bolsheviks, as well as a few Jewish Bolsheviks, whose Conformmunist identity is more important to them than their religious or ethnic identity;

Basically, the issues and parties involved are a complex web of historical grievances, religious traditions, geopolitical alliances, etc., and American interests are best served by staying out of this family feud between the Semitic peoples of Judea, and focusing instead on securing our own border, deporting invaders from our own country, bringing predatory criminal animals to heel, and completely overhauling the parasitic financial sector;

We should identify what our interests are and form ad hoc alliances based on those interests, which will frequently mean joining forces with essentially Zionist evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews on issues unrelated to Israel (even though these groups’ good-faith support of Israel is often exploited by bad-faith neo-con-artists), because …

The ongoing Bolshevik cultural revolution here in America (and the rest of the West) is absolutely the biggest threat to us and to everything that makes our lives worth living, and evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews are absolutely on the right side of that culture war.

socal2 says

"Abbas later entered graduate studies at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, where he earned a Candidate of Sciences degree (the Soviet equivalent of a PhD). His doctoral dissertation was The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas#:~:text=Abbas%20later%20entered%20graduate%20studies,and%20they%20had%20three%20sons.

He's right up your alley!

He didn't get a degree for a PhD from Moscow for Holocaust denial.

I'd have to read what he wrote. I mean, Lehi did offer to align themselves with Nazi Germany:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#Nazi_Germany

And there is the Haavara Agreement..

Lehi was the precursor to the Likud party.

Anyhow I did have to laugh at this:

"Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by some Jewish groups, especially where he disputed the accepted number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust and claimed Zionist agitation had been the cause of the Holocaust."

If that's the metric, to question the 6 million figure, every serious historian is a holocaust denier. Auschwitz has had the number of Jewish people changed, MULTIPLE times. A lot of exaggeration, atrocity propaganda from WWII, survives to this day, and in the 1950's and even most of the 1960's, the number of Jewish people killed was generally accepted to be 2 million.

Ever notice this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_of_inmates_in_Nazi_concentration_camps

How many digits were used per slave labor victim? It wasn't just Jews that got these tatoos, every slave laborer did. Homosexuals, Communists, Gypsies as long as they went to Auschwitz..

I hate talking about the holocaust because it's like talking to a communist and trying to explain that they've been brainwashed. Takes too much deprogramming and that's a LOT easier, because at least our media and government don't constantly promote the lies of communism.

richwicks says

I mean, Lehi did offer to align themselves with Nazi Germany

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#Political_racism

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According to Yaacov Shavit, professor at the Department of Jewish History, Tel Aviv University, articles in Lehi publications contained references to a Jewish "master race", contrasting the Jews with Arabs who were seen as a "nation of slaves".[47] Sasha Polakow-Suransky writes that "Lehi was also unabashedly racist towards Arabs. Their publications described Jews as a master race and Arabs as a slave race." Lehi advocated mass expulsion of all Arabs from Palestine and Transjordan,[48] or even their physical annihilation.[49]

In contrast, a number of Lehi veterans, including co-leader Nathan Yellin-Mor, went on to establish the Semitic Action movement which sought the creation of a regional federation encompassing Israel and its Arab neighbours[40][41] on the basis of an anti-colonialist alliance with other indigenous inhabitants of the Middle East.[42]
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richwicks says

I mean, Lehi did offer to align themselves with Nazi Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi(militant_group)#Political_racism

I kind of view a lot of these "opinions", as being kind of pointless. You know how the US "goes to war over humanitarian rights" or there is "Jihad" or that "the Crusades was all about recapturing the Holy Land for Christ"?

I view these as cynical reasons to motivate the cannon fodder. I don't think they have any beliefs, the the puppet masters are just figuring out which strings are useful to pull to get their puppets to act. We didn't go to war over weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we didn't go to Afghanistan to capture binLaden or to spread human rights, we're not in Syria to protect the population from evil Assad, we didn't blow up Libya to prevent a humanitarian crisis.

It's all just cynical exploitation of people's beliefs, beliefs they are willing to get shot at, or even die for.

richwicks says

I kind of view a lot of these "opinions", as being kind of pointless.

They are written statements made by Lehi. They are not opinions.

They are statements by the Lehi that the Jewish people are the master race and the Arabs are inferior and should be driven out of Palestine.

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They are written statements made by Lehi. They are not opinions.

I think it's more recruitment rhetoric. That's what I mean.

I don't think the people at the top have any real beliefs, they're just tapping into beliefs to further their agenda for increased power.

RWSGFY says

So-called "Palestinians" have always been the asset of the KGB.

Yep, Arafat aka Agent Aref, born in Cairo like most of the PLO leadership almost all of whom were born outside "Palestine" like Damascus and Beirut and Amman. "Big Plantation" and "Little Farm" = KGB codewords for their allies PLO and PFLP.

socal2 says

"Abbas later entered graduate studies at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, where he earned a Candidate of Sciences degree (the Soviet equivalent of a PhD). His doctoral dissertation was The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas#:~:text=Abbas%20later%20entered%20graduate%20studies,and%20they%20had%20three%20sons.

LOL! I guess he was butthurt about the Grand Mufti of Al Aqsa and Jerusalem was a Hitler Ally who helped raise Muslim SS Auxillaries like Bosniak Muslim Scimitar Brigade.

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They are statements by the Lehi that the Jewish people are the master race and the Arabs are inferior and should be driven out of Palestine.

This is bizarre, and probably just a coincidence, but Lehi was a Mormon prophet. Odd that it is the same as the acronym for the Stern Gang:

לח"י – לוחמי חרות ישראל Lohamei Herut Israel – Lehi, "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel – Lehi"), often known pejoratively as the Stern Gang, was a Zionist paramilitary militant organization founded by Avraham ("Yair") Stern ...

Of course, the Stern Gang was quashed as was Kahane by the Israeli Government. UNLIKE Hamas and PIJ, PFLP, etc.

richwicks says

I think it's more recruitment rhetoric. That's what I mean.

I don't think the people at the top have any real beliefs, they're just tapping into beliefs to further their agenda for increased power.

It was the culture and beliefs of the Lehi such as Jews were the master race and the Arabs needed to be removed from Palestine.

Not everyone on the top just pretends to believe in the organization's platform and norms.

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AmericanKulak says

Kahane by the Israeli Government

Kahane co founded the Jewish Defense League.

He was assassinated by El Sayyid Nosair, an Egypitan-born American in New York City in November 1990 after he gave a speech.

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American Patriots are gathering to support Palestine!

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AmericanKulak says

Yep, Arafat aka Agent Aref, born in Cairo like most of the PLO leadership almost all of whom were born outside "Palestine"

Yasser Arafat was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1929 to his father Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini who was from Gaza City, and his mother Zahwa Abul Saud who was from Jerusalem.

AmericanKulak says

American Patriots are gathering to support Palestine!

The JDL was a terrorist organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

richwicks says

Yasser Arafat was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1929 to his father Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini who was from Gaza City, and his mother Zahwa Abul Saud who was from Jerusalem.

His mother's mother was Egyptian, proving the "most Palestinians came due to Jewish investment and labor opportunities" line.
Arafat's father had inherited land in Egypt but was unable to win lawsuits to claim it back, I assume a family dispute.

Apparently except for a brief stay with his Uncle, Arafat grew up in Cairo. He attended university in Egypt and was a Student when the War of Liberation against Arab Invasion happened.

Since Arafat was born in Cairo I would assume on at least one side they had property in Egypt.

What year was Israel created?

richwicks says

The JDL was a terrorist organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

Freedom Fighters. You see, they also run Charities and represent an oppressed people so don't believe Media and State Department Propaganda :)

AmericanKulak says

What year was Israel created?

1948 with UN Resolution 181, and then this immediately led to civil war, Count Folke Bernadotte went to try to negotiate a peace, and he was murdered by Lehi. Berandotte was chosen in part for his work with the Red Cross. This led to UN Resolution 194 that called for repatriation of the Palestinians, and it was the first UN resolution that Israel violated.

It's been all fun and games ever since.

Israel is actually in violation of the Geneva Conventions by occupying land "illegally", but really who cares? Nobody follows treaties, and "International Law" is a joke with no teeth and all this paper and bullshit is just to pretend there are actual groups that follow principles that have supposedly been agreed upon, but they are only agreed upon until they become inconvenient. I'm certain that the US will be screaming that Russia is in violation of the Geneva Conventions in time.

None of this matters. It's just might makes right now. Nobody has any principles, and pretending they do, is foolish.