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ad says

Yeah and then I read Palestinian comments that Israel never existed as well as the religion. I think it is part of them denying any legitimacy of Jewish people association with the land of Israel.

I then ask did they actually read Greco-Roman history (i.e., Flavius Josephus , etc) about the conquering of the Jewish people and also the Jewish people revolt against the Romans ?

Shaman says

Right now they’re the dry bones. But God always keeps His promises. Don’t bet against Him.

The Arabs celebrate the Battle of Yarmouk every year, streets are named after it, neighborhoods, etc.

What is the Battle of Yarmouk? It's when the Arabs defeated the Byzantines along the Dan River between Jordan and Israel, and conquered the area.

This is an admission the Arabs are not native to Palestine and colonized it.

Just like Egypt. The Copts are the "Real" Egyptians; the current Egyptians have been heavily Arabized by occupation. Fustat, basically Cairo, is where the Barracks and Arab Occupation Armies were stationed; that's how it became a city.

At the time of the Battle of Yarmouk, the Byzantines and Persians had fought a bloodly, inconclusive WW1 style meatgrinder war over Armenia and both sides were financially and militarily exhausted, which is how the Arabs managed to conquer so much, so fast.

Booger says

French reporter interviews officer cleaning up corpses:
"There's about 40 bodies... people are shot, burned... babies decapitated..." officer on the scene.

"ZIO Hasbara said 40 shot then burned then decapitated ALL 40 baby bodies!!!! Where are they, huh? huh? huh? See the ZIOLIES?!" - Usual Suspects.

"We don't have confirmation about any 40 decapitated babies" - IDF

"SEE! Even the Chief IDF Zioliars refuse to back the ZIO lie, lie, lie! We caught the Zionists lying!!!"

When nobody said 40 shot AND burned AND decapitated and ALL of them were babies in the first place. See how that works?

Then Palestinians put up a baby killed in Syria 5 years ago and the same hyperskeptics are like "See the Zio Violence in Gaza! No warning carpet bombings! The whole city is turned to ash!" when 99.9% of all Gaza buildings are still standing.

AmericanKulak says

When nobody said 40 decapitated babies in the first place.

Fox "news" is..

richwicks says

Fox "news" is..

John Biden is also as reported by Sky News (https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/joe-biden-confirms-hamas-terrorists-beheaded-children-in-an-atrocity-the-president-says-exceeds-worst-of-isis/news-story/d082e98613107c0e14d530756b673a82).

Yes, the same Sky News that was able to get that medical doctor and Hamas politician to admit that they do not consider any Israeli as a "civilian" and that every "Israeli" is treated as a military target and enemy.

Richie Wicks, whoever is this Sky News you have to admit that they are definitely not cucks like the NY Times or NBC News.

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Misc says

Hamas was elected in 2006, with the decree that they were going to kill every Jew. The Israelis have shown a huge amount of restraint until now, and have put up with many terrorist events.

Untrue. They were founded by Mossad and the CIA, just like the CIA founded Al Qaeda. Seems you lack familiarity with your own countries intelligence operations.

Misc says

I feel that the Israelis are going to do to Hamas what Hamas has stated that they will do to the Jews.

Big pet peeve, don't say feel. Emotional reactions are often wrong. Think, don't just go off feelings that change from one minute to the next. I don't believe that's what you meant to say, but words matter. If you watched the Ryan Cristian video, and very far in, you'd see the interviews conducted years ago with Israeli's calling for the exact same thing. Not IDF, regular citizens. So this goes both ways, and if the truth is important to you, you'll recognize that.

Misc says

If the Hamas hierarchy was concerned about the children of Gaza, they would surrender themselves to the IDF.

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. You believe Hamas to be a terrorist organization correct? Because they are. Since when do terrorists give a shit about kids? And the IDF openly admits they kill kids, so also a terrorist organization. Doesn't seem like you have thought through this at all, and are quite fine with no one giving a shit about the kids in occupied Palestine(Israel border towns included), regardless of ethnicity. I hope you reconsider and say a prayer for them all, because your outlook is one terrorist group has to save them, while another is fine to kill them. That's fucked.

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

Fucking hypocrites.

https://rumble.com/v3on773-homosexual-dudes-fiery-wake-up-call-to-lgbt-hamas-supporters-is-truly-epic-.html

NuttBoxer says

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

How many kids were killed bombing Japan? You think no kids were killed bombing the fuck out of ISIS?

Notice how fast ISIS folded when Trump starting bombing. What went on for years of the Deep State arming all sides?

What's the solution? Say "Poor Hamas/ISIS/Tojo/Insert Asshole Here, here's everything you want. Give peace a chance. You do what you want. We'll just stand here waiting for you to do whatever"

ad says

Richie Wicks, whoever is this Sky News you have to admit that they are definitely not cucks like the NY Times or NBC News.

They are Australian and often referenced.

They are corporate media though, which means they will readily lie. Corporate news media is exclusively propaganda, I have learned to ignore it long long ago. They may report they truth, and they might report a lie - I don't pay attention to liars at all.

NuttBoxer says

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

What to say when one agrees with you?

I know the IDF kills kids.

https://rememberthesechildren.org/

Nobody cares really. They used to keep an accurate tally of all the deaths, their ages, and their circumstances of their death, but there's not enough interest to keep it going. They gave up in 2014.

We will see if Israel carries through with its boast that it will track down and kill every member of Hamas. It has never before made this declaration.

Hamas on the other hand has stated from its inception that it wants to kill every Jew.

Misc says

Hamas on the other hand has stated from its inception that it wants to kill every Jew.

Hamas at its inception was a creation of the Israeli government to counter the Palestine Liberation Organization. It was meant to prevent the Palestinian population from speaking with one voice.

Booger says

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-says-hes-seen-confirmed-pictures-hamas-beheading-children-wh-issues-immediate

U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday said he'd seen "confirmed pictures" that beheaded children were among the many victims of the Hamas terrorists who murdered hundreds of civilians in Israeli border towns this weekend. The White House later issued a statement to clarify his remarks.

Lol, no they didn't "clarify" anything. Biden is lying yet again and they know it.

I'm not saying that Hamas didn't butcher hundreds of people in Israel. They did.

Patrick says

Booger says

No previous statement was made asserting decapitated babies by the Government. They never confimed the decapitated babies, not once.

It's all a distraction of course, from all the other footage.

What happened:
AmericanKulak says

French reporter interviews officer cleaning up corpses:
"There's about 40 bodies... people are shot, burned... babies decapitated..." officer on the scene.

"ZIO Hasbara said 40 shot then burned then decapitated ALL 40 baby bodies!!!! Where are they, huh? huh? huh? See the ZIOLIES?!" - Usual Suspects.

"We don't have confirmation about any 40 decapitated babies" - IDF

"SEE! Even the Chief IDF Zioliars refuse to back the ZIO lie, lie, lie! We caught the Zionists lying!!!"

When nobody said 40 shot AND burned AND decapitated and ALL of them were babies in the first place. See how that works?

Then Palestinians put up a baby killed in Syria 5 years ago and the same hyperskeptics are like "See the Zio Violence in Gaza! No warning carpet bombings! The whole city is turned to ash!" when 99.9% of all Gaza buildings are still standing.

"I've tilted at the windmill! Die Windmill, die, you Giant Conspiracy IDF Dragon! I caught you lying about something you never said!"

Let's try this:

Show me an IDF or Israeli Government official announcement that there are 40 Decapitated Babies. They don't have to be burned and shot and decapitated. Just decapitated. And not a reporter for a private media company, not some guy on twitter repeated what he heard on twitter. An Israeli official announcing 40 (not one, and not just decapitated without baby qualifier) as a fact.

big difference between secular Jew kibbutz and orthdox and conservative Jew settlement ...

the kibbutz were easy targets for the Hamas terrorists ... they were made up of liberal Jews who likely were not as hardened and armed as the Jewish settlers...
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Misc says

It has never before made this declaration.

Israeli's have, many many times over the years up to today. I doubt your statement is true if people on the street are saying it, as I've never known government to be more restrained than the general public when it comes to bloodshed.

AmericanKulak says

What's the solution?

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children. That includes you. None of those incidents are ok with me.

Epstein raped lots of kids, and before that Larry King did it in Omaha in the 80's. There, we have precedence, so cool if IDF starts raping kids right? That's your logic bro, and it's fucked beyond belief.

But more to the solution you're looking for(while you throw kids under the tank), I'd use the world's most heavily surveilled and secured border to actually do it's job. So my first step in fixing this is finding out who the fuck in Israel sold out their own people.

NuttBoxer says

AmericanKulak says

What's the solution?

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children.

The Israeli side for the most part wants two-state solution (which means status quo as far as Gaza ghetto)

The Palestinian side vastly wants Israeli Jew's dead if they remain in Israel and they want "their land back" (i.e. the land where the nation of Israel resides)

There are a few who want a one-state solution but the Israel Jews do not want this since they would lose the demographics war

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Former Israeli ambassador to Russia Arkady Milman states: “Everything suggests that this country is against us.” Where, however, did his compatriots, again, in his words, get the feeling that “Russia is a great friend of Israel”? ...

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Elena Rykovtseva: Today, our guests and I are discussing Russia’s role in this conflict, in other conflicts, whether it is possible to consider it at least in some way an ally. Former ambassadors to the Russian Federation in Israel and Ukraine are in touch with us. We begin a conversation with Arkady Milman. You publicly declared on the 9th wonderful Israeli channel that “in our country there was a feeling that Russia was an eternal friend, a faithful friend of Israel, but I explained to you: Russia is not a friend of Israel.” Why was there such a feeling in your country until now, before the start of this day, until October 7?

Arkady Milman: In recent months there has been no such precise, unambiguous understanding of the relationship. But in the interview that one of the Hamas leaders gave to the Rossiya Segodnya channel in Arabic, he clearly said that Russia knew about the impending terrible, brutal, bloody operation against Israel. They produce Kalashnikov assault rifles under a license that Russia gave them. After half an hour of this terrible massacre, which they carried out in kibbutzim near the border with the Gaza Strip, they reported this to Russia. What do you think was Russia's reaction? Russia reacted, according to these Hamas activists, with great sympathy. Considering that the interview was given on the Russia Today channel, an absolutely pro-Kremlin, not even a pro-Kremlin, but a Kremlin news service, accordingly, our conclusion is very simple: as always, Russia behaved like a real criminal. It’s not for nothing that I call it the “axis of evil” - Russia, Iran, North Korea, the terrorist organizations Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.

And now what concerns Israel. The Israeli establishment and especially Benjamin Netanyahu, I feel embarrassed now that there is a war, I have to criticize our Prime Minister, I have no doubt that after the war we will have a very serious investigation, this man will have to resign because he He did this to both Hamas and Russia. One of his main billboards, which is in Tel Aviv ... Netanyahu shook hands with Putin, above this was the slogan “This is the major league.”... Probably, the residents of the country, the entire establishment, lived in the understanding that Russia is a normal country, Putin loves Jews. The fact that he is an anti-Semite, starting in September, simply opened another anti-Semitic campaign, no one wanted to believe. Those who study Russia deeply know it from the inside, like me, they had no doubts, so we expressed our point of view. Now after the start of this terrible war and terrible massacre, I want to emphasize that since the Holocaust it has not happened that more than 1,200 Israeli citizens were killed in one day, now people began to speak differently. They already understand that the country is in shock. Of course, after the end of the war, our victory over Hamas - this will definitely happen, we will have to do a very serious internal investigation, very seriously figure out where our mistakes were at the national level, and then decide how we will live further.

Elena Rykovtseva: As for the first interview on the Russia Today channel, you don't consider it a bluff precisely because it would have been refuted? Since it was presented like this, without refutation, it means it needs to be taken seriously. And secondly, you said that this is the end of illusions, October 7, Saturday. When the aggression happened, the war between Russia and Ukraine, were illusions still preserved?

Arkady Milman: Your clarification is absolutely correct, that this is a Kremlin channel, a public service. The weapons that our soldiers took from the killed Hamas terrorists were made in Russia or under a Russian license. There is direct evidence, so there is no doubt.
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https://tinyurl.com/228br4vx

I started this thread because I'm for kids. For protecting them in our schools, on our streets, and around the world. I don't care who is fighting who, I will never, EVER change that stance. I don't care what the sides do, there's no justification for murdering children. If Epstein had kids, and we were the ones who caught and hanged him, I wouldn't hang his kids next. I wouldn't shoot his kids to take him out. I mean fuck, even Scareface drew the line at kids.

Why are so many people today worse than the depiction of a sociopathic 80's drug kingpin? What the fuck is wrong with people...

"Cover! Cover!" – evidence appeared that Russian-speaking instructors within the Hamas terrorist organization gave orders and coordinated the actions of mercenaries during the attack on Israel on October 7, 2023.

The order in Russian "Прикрывайте! Прикрывайте!" ("Cover! Cover!") can be clearly heard from 12 seconds onwards.

Video at:

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status...442276256?s=20

NuttBoxer says

Israeli's have, many many times over the years up to today. I doubt your statement is true if people on the street are saying it, as I've never known government to be more restrained than the general public when it comes to bloodshed.

Are you kidding me?

Daniel Penny was arrested and is being tried for killing a mad man on a NYC subway in the United States.

You may be confusing restraint with corruption. Israel wants war. The purposely create this conflict, and fan the flames so they can play "victim". Hamas and the PLO do as well. These are deeply corrupt governments.

Because people refuse to recognize a sociopath when there is one running their government, we're stuck with sociopaths. That's a problem all throughout the west now.

If you trust your government and politicians, you're guaranteeing it will go corrupt. Well, people have mostly trusted this government all my life, and FINALLY they are starting to be suspicious - after they forced 75% of the population to play Russian Roulette with a "vaccine" that NOBODY needed in an obviously NOT pandemic.

I cannot understand why people aren't angry, much more angry. We have murderers and sociopaths in government and this should have been obvious the SECOND we got lied into the Iraq War, as soon as that was clear, that there wasn't a weapons of mass destruction program, people should have known. I can forgive people for being fooled into that, but I cannot forgive them to continue to place trust in these monsters after that. Most people are willfully blind.

And it's not just true in the US, it's true in Israel too. The IDF and settlers murder Palestinians ALL THE TIME. They're never prosecuted, they are never held accountable, and NOW they are pretending "oh, Hamas did this for no reason". There is justifiable anger on both sides. I heard today from Glenn Greenwald that some Israeli said "everybody knows a person that knew somebody killed in this attack". That might be true, there's not a single Palestinian that doesn't know somebody PERSONALLY killed in this conflict. Israel kills far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis.

There's no good sides in this conflict and all governments involved are preventing resolution. It could have been resolved 40 years ago.

ad says

The Israeli side for the most part wants two-state solution (which means status quo as far as Gaza ghetto)

No, this is an absolute lie.

If Israeli wanted a two state solution, they would declare their borders, and they won't declare their borders.

Israel claims "if only the Palestinians would lay down their arms, there would be peace" - that's a lie too. The West Bank hasn't done anything to Israel in 20 years, 2 decades, and all Israel does is keep expanding settlements in the West Bank.

It's AMERICAN PROPAGANDA that Israel wants a two state solution. Israel is quite open about simply wanting to get the Palestinians to leave, or kill them, but they intend to take over all of the West Bank and Gaza. MAYBE there will be some reservations for the Palestinians, but that's it.

GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

Motorized hang gliders don't need any mountains - they can take off from
a field.

richwicks says

It's AMERICAN PROPAGANDA that Israel wants a two state solution. Israel is quite open about simply wanting to get the Palestinians to leave,

Yes, the Israeli Jews claim they want a 2 state solution.

But you are judging them by their actions, and it seems they want a 1 state solution such as create conditions where the Palestinian population dies off or dwindles significantly in size as many emigrate out to the Germany, Sweden, Turkey, Canada, USA, etc.

However, the exact opposite is happening as far as Palestinian population.

The problem is that the Israeli Jews do not breed like rabbits. So they are losing the demographics war.

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Igor Molotov, RT's Special Editor, wrote, "It was I who advised detonating a thermonuclear bomb over Siberia. I apologize. It should explode over Israel."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712147224086368363

RWSGFY says

Igor Molotov, RT's Special Editor, wrote, "It was I who advised detonating a thermonuclear bomb over Siberia. I apologize. It should explode over Israel."

would have to be very low yield bomb such as over tel aviv ... if this is the case, then they do not want collateral damage to syria, jordan, lebanon as well as the israeli arab communities

ad says

The problem is that the Israeli Jews do not breed like rabbits. So they are losing the demographics war.

Not really.

Many Russian propagandists have simply decided that the best course is to openly side with Hamas. Igor Molotov, RT’s Special Editor, penned a piece for a Belarusian state paper, Minskaya Prauda, rejoicing about the attack on Israel. The article was eventually removed, but an archived version is still accessible.

Molotov took credit for the idea that was recently promoted by the head of RT, Margarita Simonyan, suggesting that a thermonuclear bomb should be set off over Siberia. He wrote, “My name is Igor Molotov. It was I who advised detonating a thermonuclear bomb over Siberia. I apologize. It should explode over Israel.”

He recounted speaking with the Palestinian ambassador in Moscow, who reportedly told Molotov, “Igor, brother, this is our common victory.”

Molotov said: “The victory of Palestine in the occupied territories is a victory for Moscow and Minsk. Even if the Palestinian resistance does not win the deadly battle with Tel Aviv now, Palestinian flags will fly over the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. We have already won. Hamas and Fatah are marching along the same road to victory . . . Today, we are all Palestinians. Today, all of us are winning.”

https://cepa.org/article/russians-divide-over-terrorist-attack-on-israel/

ad says

Yes, the Israeli Jews claim they want a 2 state solution.

When they are in the United States they make this claim, not in Israel. They can make a 2 state solution today, if they want, just declare the borders, whatever is left over, that's "Palestine" - they've been in this situation for over 4 decades now. Israel has the military power to unilaterally declare a two state solution, they don't need to negotiate.

ad says

But you are judging them by their actions, and it seems they want a 1 state solution such as create conditions where the Palestinian population dies off or dwindles significantly in size as many emigrate out to the Germany, Sweden, Turkey, Canada, USA, etc.

Of course I'm judging them by their actions. Judge them by their deeds, not words. People lie. I completely ignore politician's statements at this point. Remember when Biden was going to give student debt relief? Did that happen? Remember when everybody was going to get a $2,000 covid check? Ignore what they say but hold them accountable to their lies.

ad says

However, the exact opposite is happening as far as Palestinian population.

The problem is that the Israeli Jews do not breed like rabbits. So they are losing the demographics war.

There's R and K type reproduction, the future will judge which is superior because they will exist as a result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

Evolution supersedes morality. It will figure its way out.

RWSGFY says

GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

Motorized hang gliders don't need any mountains - they can take off from
a field.

Yes, but there's a disagreement on whether or not they were motorized.

I guess the Ukie war was a push too far as far as Pavlovian American "defense" response, so let's burn a few hundred Jews and their children to gin up flagging war machine support.

Bravo. I'm sure those Jews who died appreciate the effectiveness of their involuntary sacrifice/martyrdom.

Hello WWIII - we'll all die, as well as our children and grandchildren. All you war mongering motherfuckers will get your wish.

RWSGFY says

Many Russian propagandists have simply decided that the best course is to openly side with Hamas.

Well there are a lot of Muslims living in Russia. I think it has a larger percentage of Muslims than almost France and Germany combined.

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stereotomy says

Hello WWIII - we'll all die, as well as our children and grandchildren. All you war mongering motherfuckers will get your wish.

Palestine isn't going to cause WW3.

The Arabs have had enough after seeing Black September Coup Attempt, the Lebanese Civil War and use of PLO by Syria to overthrow Christian Lebanon, and what happens every time the Egyptians open THEIR Gaza-border.

The border everybody conveniently forgets about, since the Pakistinians, other Arabs, the Left, and Stormfags don't want people to know there's an alternative to Israel-Gaza border

Is some of this our MIC? Maybe. I don't think the Biden Regime is happy about this just after they gave Iran $6B via Qatar, though. This is also the RSIH Axis.

It's no accident that Putin demanded no civilian casualties He's not a dumbass, he's being a cynical smartass. He knows from Grozny as well as Mariopol and other cities it is utterly unreasonable to have 0 civilian casualties from urban warfare.

AmericanKulak says

stereotomy says

Hello WWIII - we'll all die, as well as our children and grandchildren. All you war mongering motherfuckers will get your wish.

Palestine isn't going to cause WW3.

Alot of Patnet -

"You better let all those Russians and Islamists butcher their way around the world without resistance or you will start WWIII you evil warmongers!!"

Killed In Gaza By Israeli Bombing: 140 Kids, 11 UN Staff, 30 UN School Pupils & 4 Israeli Hostages
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/140-kids-11-un-staff-killed-gaza/

NuttBoxer says

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children. That includes you. None of those incidents are ok with me.

This is the world you live in. What are you doing to fix it? My guess is nothing. Not a knock, but likely reality. No one does anything but bitch. They bitch about politicians yet do nothing. They bitch about wars yet do nothing. They bitch about their neighbor and do nothing. Get the trend.

Harsh take. I have kids. Guess what, they're fucked outside of what I can control. People in Gaza CAN move regardless of their bull shit claims. People escape extreme situations all the time. Leave. Let Israelis have it all. They will be judged in time and it will not likely be a pleasant ending. I moved out of Chicago because I knew it wasn't safe to raise my kids there. Adults need to adult from time to time. Fuck religion. My kid isn't dying over it and won't.

I don't think there's a panetter that agrees with anyone dying over this stupid shit on BOTH sides. So I'd be cautious of judging anyone here based on their take. There's no winner on either side at this point. Just get the fuck out and realize that the region will be nuclear glass at some point. No American has a pony in this race if they're not living there. Shut the fuck up and let them duke it out. That should be the stance. And yes, kids will die. More die daily in American urban centers than what's happened in 48-72 hours in Isreal. We need to stop worrying about other people's problems.