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GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

Not hang gliders - paragliders with motors. You can take off from a running start on a beach. My neighbor does it all the time.

socal2 says

GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

Not hang gliders - paragliders with motors. You can take off from a running start on a beach. My neighbor does it all the time.

I didn't see any fans on their back, and they were in an upright position.

richwicks says

I didn't see any fans on their back, and they were in an upright position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgqAvFGML7c

socal2 says

richwicks says

I didn't see any fans on their back, and they were in an upright position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgqAvFGML7c

I don't know what that's from, because it's all fucking cut up. I saw this:


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I don't see any fans. I used to hang glide, you're in a harness - where's the fans? Could be the angle I'm looking at here.

Anyhow, TO ME, those look like parachutes, not powered paragliders, not even regular paragliders.

Stop the video at multiple points, when I saw this, I kept trying to find the fans. When I try to find raw footage, this part is cut out. You see them in the distance, and then it cuts to people running. Kind of pisses me off Dore doesn't provide sources.

The glide ratio is crazy too - that is how much you move forward for every unit you drop. That looks like a 1:1 glide ratio - hang gliders are like 1:5 - and that's LOW - i.e. every foot you drop, you move forward 5 feet. In my boat of a glider, it was like 1:15 I think but you are doing like 30 MPH.

We used to make fun of the paragliders, and the paragliders made fun of us. Hang gliding is a little safer, but it's a lot harder to do, because of transport issues. Paragliders can just pack their crap up in a bag, and go anywhere, WE need to drive there. However, hangliders if they hit windsheer go into a dive, and the speed pickup you get from this will pull you out of the dive. With paragliders, windsheer can collapse the chute, and they can fall to their death. I've seen videos were people dropped 50 feet, but survived because the harness is heavily padded.

GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

You can actually see footage of them in the sky over some of the Rave footage. The attendees thought it was some cool part of the festival.

AmericanKulak says

After the Nazis bombed London (Aug-Sep 1940), the British began bombing Germany.

Actually, Hitler had London off limits:
The first real bombing raid on Berlin would not occur until August 25, 1940, during the Battle of Britain. Hitler had placed London off-limits for bombing, and the Luftwaffe was concentrating on defeating the Royal Air Force in preparation for a cross-Channel invasion. But on the night of August 24, a German plane dropped bombs on London, probably by accident, on its way home from a raid. Prime Minister Winston Churchill immediately ordered the RAF to retaliate with a raid on Berlin. That same night, a force of 81 Vickers Wellingtons and Handley Page Hampdens headed for Berlin. Only about half of them reached the capital, which was obscured by dense clouds. Little damage was done, but one bomb killed the only elephant in the Berlin Zoo.

That accidental bombing likely saved the British, as Germany was devastating the RAF by hitting airfields and planes. When the Luftwaffe switched to bombing cities to retaliate for the RAF hot on Berlin, the RAF was able to recover. Some historians think that Churchill bombed Berlin as a stategy to anger Hitler and have Germany switch from counterforce to cities so the RAF could recover.

https://www.historynet.com/target-berlin-the-first-air-raid-on-the-german-capital/

AmericanKulak says

GNL says

Does the hang glider part of this story make sense? How many mountains do the Palestinians have access to? How close are these mountains to the border of Israel?

You can actually see footage of them in the sky over some of the Rave footage. The attendees thought it was some cool part of the festival.

Ok, so I guess they have access to a high enough mountain to jump from and reach Israel?

zzyzzx says

I don't see a long term middle east solution unless it involves a Final Solution on someones part.

there’s no such thing. human nature will make new wars. but i can guarantee whatever war, our tax dollars will be spent there, big business.

GNL says

Ok, so I guess they have access to a high enough mountain to jump from and reach Israel?

The current "propaganda?"/hypothesis is they were power paragliders, but I've not seen an example of a powered paraglider except from legacy news media, which sharply chops up the footage, so you can't tell where it's from.

The only video I've been able to find is from Jimmy Dore, and I cannot see fans.


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And Dore, very frustratingly, doesn't give sources to his videos. It could be the angle, but it doesn't look like paragliders to me, it looks like parachutes, again, to me.

Also, it takes some skill to steer, these people would have had to practice in my opinion. When I used to hang glide, I heard stories of people that were strapped in, and told to go off the mountain, and "figure it out". Landing is the hardest part of flying. You have to learn how to hit your target landing zone, and I've fucked this up myself - you only fuck up once, then you start paying better attention to your instructor. In an unpowered flying device, there's an angle which you cannot get below, and if you do, you will never hit your landing zone - you land in a tree, at about 20-30 MPH. I've avoid this, but people die from this - even though we are trained how to do it. Most people killed in hang gliding get killed for making stupid mistakes. 1/2 the people that die in hang gliding accident run off the mountain, but forgot to hook into the glider, they run off a cliff, and fall to their death. Hang check, hang check, hang check. Certain you're hooked in, check again, over and over. OCD works in that sport.

GNL says

Ok, so I guess they have access to a high enough mountain to jump from and reach Israel?

See step-towing a hang glider. Bascially, you get towed until airborne.

American Kulak is correct, Biblically-speaking, that the people of Israel are prophesied to turn back to God before the End. The prophet Ezekiel wrote about this in 570BC.

“ 11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+37&version=NIV

Keep in mind that Israel as a nation hasn’t existed since before Ezekiel wrote those words, around 2600 years. They’ve been under occupation or kicked out of their land for all that time. Rome expelled them as a people from Israel in 70AD, leading to the Great Diaspora.

Right now they’re the dry bones. But God always keeps His promises. Don’t bet against Him.

Shaman says

Rome expelled them as a people from Israel in 70AD

Yeah and then I read Palestinian comments that Israel never existed as well as the religion. I think it is part of them denying any legitimacy of Jewish people association with the land of Israel.

I then ask did they actually read Greco-Roman history (i.e., Flavius Josephus , etc) about the conquering of the Jewish people and also the Jewish people revolt against the Romans ?

I then ask if Islam never existed then what would be the religion of the current Palestinian population ? Would it be Judaism or Christianity ?

Would the Bosniaks of the southern Slav regions also be Christian instead of Muslim ?

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Tenpoundbass says

When Bibi comes flying in on a whirly bird leading the Hamas asault then I'll join in on who's fault is who's to blame.
People start organizations all the time that run away get away from the original intent.
I mean do we blame George Washington for Joe Biden and Obama's miserable excuse for Presidential administrations?

What about when his snipers shoot kids, or bomb them like they are right now?

Washington started a Terrorist organization? Yeah, that's a fucking cop out and you know it.

Before any of you justify killing innocent civilians and kids, watch a video, see their faces, then say it. At least at that point you will have completely owned up to what you're advocating, instead of being a pussy bitch who refuses to look at what their beliefs result in.


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I watched the video. I quit at about 17.01 'cause the guy was kinda rambling at that point.

Hamas was elected in 2006, with the decree that they were going to kill every Jew. The Israelis have shown a huge amount of restraint until now, and have put up with many terrorist events.

The video with the children is quite old and the population of Gaza has increased by about 500000 people since that clip. Having children does not protect a person from their actions. After the events of 10/7/23, I feel that the Israelis are going to do to Hamas what Hamas has stated that they will do to the Jews. I think they are going to try and kill every member of Hamas. If the Hamas hierarchy was concerned about the children of Gaza, they would surrender themselves to the IDF. Hamas knows they have no chance militarily against the IDF, so they will play the victim card to its fullest extent using their children.

HeadSet says

Actually, Hitler had London off limits:

Yes. However, the reason Hitler didn't want to bomb British cities is he thought he could get them to sign a ceasefire AND he knew about the 4-engine bombers.

Hitler DID bomb civilian cities prior to the Battle of Britain in Poland and Netherlands.

One thing we should have learned from WW2 is that Strategic Bombing can't win a war by itself, but it's still an idea that won't die.

Misc says

Hamas was elected in 2006, with the decree that they were going to kill every Jew.

Well even a medical doctor who is a Hamas elected official states that there were no "civilians" killed in Israel.

That is because he says anyone that was killed was an occupier who contributed to the war against Palestinians.

So that is the narrative of Hamas that anyone who is not a Muslim in the land of Israel is an invader and a valid terrorist or military target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk

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ad says

Yeah and then I read Palestinian comments that Israel never existed as well as the religion. I think it is part of them denying any legitimacy of Jewish people association with the land of Israel.

I then ask did they actually read Greco-Roman history (i.e., Flavius Josephus , etc) about the conquering of the Jewish people and also the Jewish people revolt against the Romans ?

Shaman says

Right now they’re the dry bones. But God always keeps His promises. Don’t bet against Him.

The Arabs celebrate the Battle of Yarmouk every year, streets are named after it, neighborhoods, etc.

What is the Battle of Yarmouk? It's when the Arabs defeated the Byzantines along the Dan River between Jordan and Israel, and conquered the area.

This is an admission the Arabs are not native to Palestine and colonized it.

Just like Egypt. The Copts are the "Real" Egyptians; the current Egyptians have been heavily Arabized by occupation. Fustat, basically Cairo, is where the Barracks and Arab Occupation Armies were stationed; that's how it became a city.

At the time of the Battle of Yarmouk, the Byzantines and Persians had fought a bloodly, inconclusive WW1 style meatgrinder war over Armenia and both sides were financially and militarily exhausted, which is how the Arabs managed to conquer so much, so fast.

Booger says

French reporter interviews officer cleaning up corpses:
"There's about 40 bodies... people are shot, burned... babies decapitated..." officer on the scene.

"ZIO Hasbara said 40 shot then burned then decapitated ALL 40 baby bodies!!!! Where are they, huh? huh? huh? See the ZIOLIES?!" - Usual Suspects.

"We don't have confirmation about any 40 decapitated babies" - IDF

"SEE! Even the Chief IDF Zioliars refuse to back the ZIO lie, lie, lie! We caught the Zionists lying!!!"

When nobody said 40 shot AND burned AND decapitated and ALL of them were babies in the first place. See how that works?

Then Palestinians put up a baby killed in Syria 5 years ago and the same hyperskeptics are like "See the Zio Violence in Gaza! No warning carpet bombings! The whole city is turned to ash!" when 99.9% of all Gaza buildings are still standing.

AmericanKulak says

When nobody said 40 decapitated babies in the first place.

Fox "news" is..

richwicks says

Fox "news" is..

John Biden is also as reported by Sky News (https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/joe-biden-confirms-hamas-terrorists-beheaded-children-in-an-atrocity-the-president-says-exceeds-worst-of-isis/news-story/d082e98613107c0e14d530756b673a82).

Yes, the same Sky News that was able to get that medical doctor and Hamas politician to admit that they do not consider any Israeli as a "civilian" and that every "Israeli" is treated as a military target and enemy.

Richie Wicks, whoever is this Sky News you have to admit that they are definitely not cucks like the NY Times or NBC News.

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Misc says

Hamas was elected in 2006, with the decree that they were going to kill every Jew. The Israelis have shown a huge amount of restraint until now, and have put up with many terrorist events.

Untrue. They were founded by Mossad and the CIA, just like the CIA founded Al Qaeda. Seems you lack familiarity with your own countries intelligence operations.

Misc says

I feel that the Israelis are going to do to Hamas what Hamas has stated that they will do to the Jews.

Big pet peeve, don't say feel. Emotional reactions are often wrong. Think, don't just go off feelings that change from one minute to the next. I don't believe that's what you meant to say, but words matter. If you watched the Ryan Cristian video, and very far in, you'd see the interviews conducted years ago with Israeli's calling for the exact same thing. Not IDF, regular citizens. So this goes both ways, and if the truth is important to you, you'll recognize that.

Misc says

If the Hamas hierarchy was concerned about the children of Gaza, they would surrender themselves to the IDF.

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. You believe Hamas to be a terrorist organization correct? Because they are. Since when do terrorists give a shit about kids? And the IDF openly admits they kill kids, so also a terrorist organization. Doesn't seem like you have thought through this at all, and are quite fine with no one giving a shit about the kids in occupied Palestine(Israel border towns included), regardless of ethnicity. I hope you reconsider and say a prayer for them all, because your outlook is one terrorist group has to save them, while another is fine to kill them. That's fucked.

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

Fucking hypocrites.

https://rumble.com/v3on773-homosexual-dudes-fiery-wake-up-call-to-lgbt-hamas-supporters-is-truly-epic-.html

NuttBoxer says

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

How many kids were killed bombing Japan? You think no kids were killed bombing the fuck out of ISIS?

Notice how fast ISIS folded when Trump starting bombing. What went on for years of the Deep State arming all sides?

What's the solution? Say "Poor Hamas/ISIS/Tojo/Insert Asshole Here, here's everything you want. Give peace a chance. You do what you want. We'll just stand here waiting for you to do whatever"

ad says

Richie Wicks, whoever is this Sky News you have to admit that they are definitely not cucks like the NY Times or NBC News.

They are Australian and often referenced.

They are corporate media though, which means they will readily lie. Corporate news media is exclusively propaganda, I have learned to ignore it long long ago. They may report they truth, and they might report a lie - I don't pay attention to liars at all.

NuttBoxer says

124 comments, and still not one of you has the balls to address IDF sniping kids or saying it's fine to kill them. I bet none of you have even attempted to verify those statements, you don't want to know. If that's the case shut the fuck up, you have no say on this topic if you aren't willing to look into the atrocities. And in the Middle East they stack to the heavens, and mostly come in the form of US bombs and drones.

What to say when one agrees with you?

I know the IDF kills kids.

https://rememberthesechildren.org/

Nobody cares really. They used to keep an accurate tally of all the deaths, their ages, and their circumstances of their death, but there's not enough interest to keep it going. They gave up in 2014.

We will see if Israel carries through with its boast that it will track down and kill every member of Hamas. It has never before made this declaration.

Hamas on the other hand has stated from its inception that it wants to kill every Jew.

Misc says

Hamas on the other hand has stated from its inception that it wants to kill every Jew.

Hamas at its inception was a creation of the Israeli government to counter the Palestine Liberation Organization. It was meant to prevent the Palestinian population from speaking with one voice.

Booger says

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-says-hes-seen-confirmed-pictures-hamas-beheading-children-wh-issues-immediate

U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday said he'd seen "confirmed pictures" that beheaded children were among the many victims of the Hamas terrorists who murdered hundreds of civilians in Israeli border towns this weekend. The White House later issued a statement to clarify his remarks.

Lol, no they didn't "clarify" anything. Biden is lying yet again and they know it.

I'm not saying that Hamas didn't butcher hundreds of people in Israel. They did.

Patrick says

Booger says

No previous statement was made asserting decapitated babies by the Government. They never confimed the decapitated babies, not once.

It's all a distraction of course, from all the other footage.

What happened:
AmericanKulak says

French reporter interviews officer cleaning up corpses:
"There's about 40 bodies... people are shot, burned... babies decapitated..." officer on the scene.

"ZIO Hasbara said 40 shot then burned then decapitated ALL 40 baby bodies!!!! Where are they, huh? huh? huh? See the ZIOLIES?!" - Usual Suspects.

"We don't have confirmation about any 40 decapitated babies" - IDF

"SEE! Even the Chief IDF Zioliars refuse to back the ZIO lie, lie, lie! We caught the Zionists lying!!!"

When nobody said 40 shot AND burned AND decapitated and ALL of them were babies in the first place. See how that works?

Then Palestinians put up a baby killed in Syria 5 years ago and the same hyperskeptics are like "See the Zio Violence in Gaza! No warning carpet bombings! The whole city is turned to ash!" when 99.9% of all Gaza buildings are still standing.

"I've tilted at the windmill! Die Windmill, die, you Giant Conspiracy IDF Dragon! I caught you lying about something you never said!"

Let's try this:

Show me an IDF or Israeli Government official announcement that there are 40 Decapitated Babies. They don't have to be burned and shot and decapitated. Just decapitated. And not a reporter for a private media company, not some guy on twitter repeated what he heard on twitter. An Israeli official announcing 40 (not one, and not just decapitated without baby qualifier) as a fact.

big difference between secular Jew kibbutz and orthdox and conservative Jew settlement ...

the kibbutz were easy targets for the Hamas terrorists ... they were made up of liberal Jews who likely were not as hardened and armed as the Jewish settlers...
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Misc says

It has never before made this declaration.

Israeli's have, many many times over the years up to today. I doubt your statement is true if people on the street are saying it, as I've never known government to be more restrained than the general public when it comes to bloodshed.

AmericanKulak says

What's the solution?

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children. That includes you. None of those incidents are ok with me.

Epstein raped lots of kids, and before that Larry King did it in Omaha in the 80's. There, we have precedence, so cool if IDF starts raping kids right? That's your logic bro, and it's fucked beyond belief.

But more to the solution you're looking for(while you throw kids under the tank), I'd use the world's most heavily surveilled and secured border to actually do it's job. So my first step in fixing this is finding out who the fuck in Israel sold out their own people.

NuttBoxer says

AmericanKulak says

What's the solution?

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children.

The Israeli side for the most part wants two-state solution (which means status quo as far as Gaza ghetto)

The Palestinian side vastly wants Israeli Jew's dead if they remain in Israel and they want "their land back" (i.e. the land where the nation of Israel resides)

There are a few who want a one-state solution but the Israel Jews do not want this since they would lose the demographics war

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Former Israeli ambassador to Russia Arkady Milman states: “Everything suggests that this country is against us.” Where, however, did his compatriots, again, in his words, get the feeling that “Russia is a great friend of Israel”? ...

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Elena Rykovtseva: Today, our guests and I are discussing Russia’s role in this conflict, in other conflicts, whether it is possible to consider it at least in some way an ally. Former ambassadors to the Russian Federation in Israel and Ukraine are in touch with us. We begin a conversation with Arkady Milman. You publicly declared on the 9th wonderful Israeli channel that “in our country there was a feeling that Russia was an eternal friend, a faithful friend of Israel, but I explained to you: Russia is not a friend of Israel.” Why was there such a feeling in your country until now, before the start of this day, until October 7?

Arkady Milman: In recent months there has been no such precise, unambiguous understanding of the relationship. But in the interview that one of the Hamas leaders gave to the Rossiya Segodnya channel in Arabic, he clearly said that Russia knew about the impending terrible, brutal, bloody operation against Israel. They produce Kalashnikov assault rifles under a license that Russia gave them. After half an hour of this terrible massacre, which they carried out in kibbutzim near the border with the Gaza Strip, they reported this to Russia. What do you think was Russia's reaction? Russia reacted, according to these Hamas activists, with great sympathy. Considering that the interview was given on the Russia Today channel, an absolutely pro-Kremlin, not even a pro-Kremlin, but a Kremlin news service, accordingly, our conclusion is very simple: as always, Russia behaved like a real criminal. It’s not for nothing that I call it the “axis of evil” - Russia, Iran, North Korea, the terrorist organizations Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.

And now what concerns Israel. The Israeli establishment and especially Benjamin Netanyahu, I feel embarrassed now that there is a war, I have to criticize our Prime Minister, I have no doubt that after the war we will have a very serious investigation, this man will have to resign because he He did this to both Hamas and Russia. One of his main billboards, which is in Tel Aviv ... Netanyahu shook hands with Putin, above this was the slogan “This is the major league.”... Probably, the residents of the country, the entire establishment, lived in the understanding that Russia is a normal country, Putin loves Jews. The fact that he is an anti-Semite, starting in September, simply opened another anti-Semitic campaign, no one wanted to believe. Those who study Russia deeply know it from the inside, like me, they had no doubts, so we expressed our point of view. Now after the start of this terrible war and terrible massacre, I want to emphasize that since the Holocaust it has not happened that more than 1,200 Israeli citizens were killed in one day, now people began to speak differently. They already understand that the country is in shock. Of course, after the end of the war, our victory over Hamas - this will definitely happen, we will have to do a very serious internal investigation, very seriously figure out where our mistakes were at the national level, and then decide how we will live further.

Elena Rykovtseva: As for the first interview on the Russia Today channel, you don't consider it a bluff precisely because it would have been refuted? Since it was presented like this, without refutation, it means it needs to be taken seriously. And secondly, you said that this is the end of illusions, October 7, Saturday. When the aggression happened, the war between Russia and Ukraine, were illusions still preserved?

Arkady Milman: Your clarification is absolutely correct, that this is a Kremlin channel, a public service. The weapons that our soldiers took from the killed Hamas terrorists were made in Russia or under a Russian license. There is direct evidence, so there is no doubt.
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