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Bd6r says

The_Deplorable says

Hello? Gaza was not occupied by Israel before 10/7? So before 10/7 Gaza was what, an Independent State? This is more nonsense without a basis in fact.

There are more choices than just occupied and an Independent State. See Puerto Rico with federal-imposed trade limitations, for example.

PR would be closer to occupied state than Gaza. Strictly by Geneva Convention definitions. But technically it's a dominion, iirc.

Bd6r says

"There are more choices than just occupied and an Independent State. See Puerto Rico with federal-imposed trade limitations, for example."

Nonsense. The notion that Gaza is like Puerto Rico in the United States is another garbage argument and more bunk. Give it a rest. The fact remains: Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.

The_Deplorable says

Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?

Bd6r says

The_Deplorable says

Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?

The Jew haters are just like the blue haired LGBTQ+ retards changing the definition of words (like gender) to match "their emotional truth". These are the same people who will tell us that Hamas' genocidal chant "From the River to the Sea" doesn't mean wiping out all the Jews in Israel.

Bd6r says

"Occupied by which definition?"

Seized and controlled by the Israeli military. Gaza is not an independent state.

More baloney and blame shifting. If Bibi had thought that, he would never have escalated as has been done. Also, why is there no purge of the responsible individuals if that were known?

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/56175

Open air prison!

So much occupation!

https://twitter.com/ingelramdecoucy/status/1723906504019808488

The_Deplorable says

Seized and controlled by the Israeli military.

Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal.

Bd6r says

The_Deplorable says

Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?

Since the whole covfefe started with Soviet rep to UN (the one that looks like a giant penis) has stated that Israel doesn't have the right of self-defence based on court decision which in turns based on the Geneva convention, the definition of occupation should be also derived from that convention.

He simply succeeded in making Bibi a better educated, more skilled psychopath, and he realized it.

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/112358

Eric Holder says

[Gaza] "Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal."

You are spouting nonsense.

1. Gaza is not an independent state. If it is, why don't you say so? Hello?

2. Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.

Give it a rest. You are posting fake news and propaganda.

The_Deplorable says

Eric Holder says

[Gaza] "Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal."

You are spouting nonsense.

1. Gaza is not an independent state. If it is, why don't you say so? Hello?

2. Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.

Give it a rest. You are posting fake news and propaganda.

Dude, lay off thr personal crap.

Go read the definition of occupation in the Hague convention or ICRC commentary on it. The status of occupied territory has nothing to do with the statehood - it's defined in purely military terms of territorial control.

The piece of what UN calls the State of Palestine was neither independent state in itself nor occupied territory after 2005.

UPD. Here, I'll help:

1. What is occupation?
Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations (HR) states that a " territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. "

According to their common Article 2, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 apply to any territory occupied during international hostilities. They also apply in situations where the occupation of state territory meets with no armed resistance.

The legality of any particular occupation is regulated by the UN Charter and the law known as jus ad bellum. Once a situation exists which factually amounts to an occupation the law of occupation applies – whether or not the occupation is considered lawful.

Therefore, for the applicability of the law of occupation, it makes no difference whether an occupation has received Security Council approval, what its aim is, or indeed whether it is called an “invasion”, “liberation”, “administration” or “occupation”. As the law of occupation is primarily motivated by humanitarian considerations, it is solely the facts on the ground that determine its application.

2. When does the law of occupation start to apply?
The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territori es become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.

The question of " control " calls up at least two different interpretations. It could be taken to mean that a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory. So, for example, advancing troops could be considered bound by the law of occupation already during the invasion phase of hostilities. This is the approach suggested in the ICRC's Commentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention (1958).

An alternative and more restrictive approach would be to say that a situation of occupation exists only once a party to a conflict is in a position to exercise sufficient authority over enemy territory to enable it to discharge all of the duties imposed by the law of occupation. This approach is adopted by a number of military manuals.

PS. Words have meanings. I'm sick and tired of fucking libs constantly trying to redefine fucking words!

RWSGFY says

"Dude, lay off thr personal crap."

Stop changing the subject and answer the question!

If Gaza is an independent state then why don't you say so? Changing the subject is not an answer

The fact remains that Gaza is not an independent state and it is occupied by Israel.

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says

"Dude, lay off thr personal crap."

Stop changing the subject and answer the question!

If Gaza is an independent state then why don't you say so? Changing the subject is not an answer

The fact remains that Gaza is not an independent state and it is occupied by Israel.

I've answered the question many times: Gaza is not independent state, not state at all, was occupied prior to 2005, was not occupied after and is in the process of being re-occupied after the Oct 07 genocidal Nazi attack on Israel. Anything else?

Now go read the definitionmof occupation as defined by the international conventions, not some pink-haired campus lesbo.

If anything, the Israeli government is the one of if not the most tolerant government in the world. If you want to claim that Gaza is “occupied territory” under control of Israeli government, then they are one of the few governments in the world that allow thousands of terrorists who have promised to work to destroy Israel, to live, work, build, and get supplies including weapons, to live within their own borders.

To the outside observer who has no stake in the game other than promoting peace, Israel has shown extreme restraint over the past few decades in the face of terrorists who cannot be reasoned with.

However, if Israel was the big bad Nazis that some claim them to be, they would tirelessly and ruthlessly eliminate every terrorist until there are no living people within their borders that oppose their statehood.

I know that’s what I’d advocate for if terrorists had bases in my country.

RWSGFY says

PS. Words have meanings. I'm sick and tired of fucking libs constantly trying to redefine fucking words!

Even if Gaza was occupied (it wasn't) - the atrocities of Hamas on 10/7 are still war crimes and in no way permissible under international law.

Jew haters are tying themselves in knots trying to defend Nazis in Hamas.

Speaking of words. The same fuckers who are demanding a "Cease Fire" now (because Hamas is getting walloped) also accuse Israel of "Apartheid" while they simultaneously ape "From the River to the Sea" in their Nazi marches in the streets of London and major US liberal colleges.

Bd6r says

Occupied by which definition?

Eric Holder says

Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal.

NuttBoxer says

If you control the electricity, water, and entry and exit for a region, you control the region. Gaza has more in common with a prison than a country.

Your question was already answered, you just didn't like the answer...

NuttBoxer says

Gaza has more in common with a prison than a country.

Posted again for posterity.

https://twitter.com/ingelramdecoucy/status/1723906504019808488

Gaza was literally one of the nicest places to live in all of the Muslim/Arab world.........if you are not a Jew, Christian or Hindu.

I can imagine hundred of thousands of Arabs killed and maimed by Assad, Russia and Iran in Syria would like nothing more than to live the quality of life Gazans had before 10/7.

Usual usual. Disguising their troop losses, while claiming 'victories' that are by no means conclusive, especially in the early stages of the mess of urban warfare. The tunnel ambush whack a mole is far from over. The surface isn't the best place to be, tanks, vehicles and personnel sitting ducks in spite of claims of occupancy.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/28374

RWSGFY says

"I've answered the question many times: Gaza is not independent state..."

That is a good start. If Gaza is not an independent state, what is it then?

Answer: It is a territory that is controlled and occupied by Israel. End of discussion!

Sing Song lip service, incompetent Satanic inversions from the teleprompter for the bully pulpit, while you can see in his eyes and attitude that he thinks exactly the opposite. "Boy, Israel stepped in a big pile of doo doo this time."

https://t.me/WW3INFO/28405

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1724172912825930158 -- Less than 3 minutes.

I see the Jew haters are now trying to deny or downplay 10/7 like they do with the Holocaust.

Even citing George fucking Galloway!

Amazing to watch MAGA find solidarity with Marxists, Islamists and the LGBTQ+++++BLM woke mafia......

socal2 says

"Even citing George fucking Galloway!"

This is an ad hominem attack against George Galloway and you are saying in effect, that you cannot reply to George Galloway's argument. You are, in other words, validating the George Galloway argument.

Thank you for letting us know and have a nice day.

The_Deplorable says

So you are on the side of Israel since the vast majority of the Media (including Islamists, Marxists and Liberal Woke) are all against Israel?

KMaf Nazis were always part of the pogrom?

Looks like Hamas is getting schwacked.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-armed-wing-says-it-is-ready-to-free-70-israeli-hostages-in-return-for-a-5-day-cease-fire/ar-AA1jUiMS?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=35a2a3221b4c4db98af4c76d65206032&ei=164

The_Deplorable says

But I thought Bibi started this war with a false flag attack so that he could stay in power long enough to let the Jewish Messiah appear?

And since the media is the one telling the lie that Gaza is “occupied” by Israel, doesn’t that purport to mean both sides are in fact Israel? Hamas is a pawn of Israel that Israel provoked to attack Israel, so that Israel could gain support to attack Hamas? That’s what we are supposed to believe?

If anything, the Israeli government is one of, if not the most tolerant government in the world. If you want to claim that Gaza is “occupied territory” under control of Israeli government, then they are one of the few governments in the world that allow thousands of terrorists who have promised to work to destroy Israel, to live, work, build, and get supplies including weapons, to live within their own borders.

To the outside observer who has no stake in the game other than promoting peace, Israel has shown extreme restraint over the past few decades in the face of terrorists who cannot be reasoned with.

However, if Israel was the big bad Nazis that some claim them to be, they would tirelessly and ruthlessly eliminate every terrorist until there are no living people within their borders that oppose their statehood.

I know that’s what I’d advocate for if terrorists had bases in my country.

According to NY Times Israel government knew a year in advance of the attack. Makes sense, especially if they're the ones who planned it...

According to N.Y. Times the jabs are safe and effective. So they seem pretty reliable. yeah nice to know we can trust the media again!

Is there anything else we should know from The NY Times? Did they find Epstein’s client list yet?

Oh wait Epstein was an Israeli/Mosad operative right? So is that why N.Y. times doesn’t expose the client list? Epstein was working for the big bad Israelis who run the whole American government? And the Israelis are responsible for 9/11, 10/7, and the Pfizer jabs too right? So they can’t expose his client list because then everyone would know our government has been compromised by Israel!

So how do I know if I am not an Israeli operative too?

Seriously, This Israel hatred is nearly on par with TDS, in fact for some it is worse. It’s fine if you want to believe that Israeli leaders had prior knowledge of the attack (kinda like many who had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and Pearl Harbor attack). But just remember, what the government does is often not representative of the wishes of the citizens.

If your neighbor was a known terrorist, who you witnessed massacring innocent people and the people in his household did nothing to stop or bring him to justice, is not the entire household liable for harboring terrorists?

Gaza is a household of terrorists. Nearly every competent adult in Gaza knows who the terrorists are, and at least some of their “secret” underground tunnels, supply lines or locations, bases and/or weapons. And they do nothing to stop them. That’s because Gaza is a household of terrorists. Even those who don’t commit violence knowingly rub shoulders on a regular basis with those who do. But they themselves are innocent! And they don’t deserve to die. So I guess it is better to live under the rule of terrorists than to die in a war to eliminate terrorists.