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NuttBoxer, do you find Hamas's October 7 attack to be justified as a result of Zionist terrorism?

I'm aware of a false flag instigated by the Israeli government against their own people, with Israeli helicopters and tanks targeting and killing citizens.

Do you think US invasion of Iraq was justified based on Saddam having weapons of mass destruction?

Even my 9th grade daughter has read stories about Israeli kids being nearly killed and losing their whole family due to Israeli tanks at this point. And the private school she goes to is very pro-American.

I don't support violence against any civilians, under any circumstances ever.

Are you saying that the violence of October 7 was perpetrated by Israel?

I don't recall any compelling reason for us to attack Iraq in 2003. Even if they had been in possession of "weapons of mass destruction", I wouldn't want war with such a country until they would attempt to use them against us.

NuttBoxer says

I don't support violence against any civilians, under any circumstances ever.

Disagree. Isreal wasn't actively attacking them. I have no issue with a nation killing civilians if they killed what? 1,500? That's insane. If you kill one of my kids your whole family is dead, including extended family. You don't fuck around with life and death and not expect retaliation. Gaza could be just fine in one of the greatest parts of the world. They fuck it up. I have no affiliation with Jews either. If they actually did something wrong, kill them.

It's a fucking real estate issue. It will never be resolved. Ever. Not in our life times at least. Factor in fictional books and it makes the situation worse. Hamas made their decision to attack. I'd kill all their civilians. Isreal did nothing to them. I'm not even an Isreal fan boy. They've fucked up in the past. Hamas is shit though.

yawaraf says

Are you saying that the violence of October 7 was perpetrated by Israel?

Israeli government has said that, as well as Israeli newspapers and civilians. There's a lot of info in the links provided here. Investigate for yourself, don't take my word for it.

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

I don't support violence against any civilians, under any circumstances ever.

Disagree.

That's all I need to know. You are ok with killing civilians...

In that respect you are perfectly matched with this countries government.

In war one kills his opponents or threatens them with death until they capitulate. When non-belligerents are caught in they middle, they cannot remain neutral, at the very least they might get caught in the crossfire.

It seems to me like the Arabs in Gaza have chosen sides. Not only do they not collaborate with the Jews to apprehend or destroy Hamas members, but I have also heard reports that some hostages escaped and the "civilians" who found them returned them to their kidnappers.

Of course civilians will be killed in war.

The important question is not who dies, but if any of the sides are justified in fighting the war.

yawaraf says

Are you saying that the violence of October 7 was perpetrated by Israel?

Israel killed over 200 Palestinians in 2023 before October 7th. After October 7th, Israel constantly lied about the number of causalities, they also used murdered their own civilians and blamed it on Hamas, bombing homes and blowing up cars. They lied about 40 babies being beheaded, and one being cooked alive in an oven. One of the hostages was released and said in an interview she was treated well during her captivity, US media purposely mistranslated her account, and the Israeli government suppressed it. They lied about rapes multiple times, and our president and multiple talking head liars repeated the lies.

If you're in the moral right, you don't have to lie, you just tell the truth. Israel lies worse than the US does.

yawaraf says

When non-belligerents are caught in they middle

You mean trapped, and human beings, mostly women and children. Or has Israel removed their blockade of the Mediterranean, and the fences and exist they control along nearly the entire breadth of Gaza?

Did you just start following these events recently? It seems like there's a lot you aren't aware of. Opinions that are uniformed have led to most of the tragedy in our world.

NuttBoxer says

Did you just start following these events recently? It seems like there's a lot you aren't aware of.

Well that IS the job of the US media, to keep people uninformed.

AmericanKulak says

The renaming of Iudea didn't come until Hadrian the Homosexual renamed the province after a revolt in 135AD - about a century after Jesus.

There's no mention of Israel as a nation by either the Roman, Greek, or Egyptian empire. If I'm wrong about this, demonstrate that I am. I've been looking for this information for ages.

The title of this article was never explicitly said, but I can see the logical interpretation from this quote:

“And still, how did you say, children from the age of zero to four? They are uninvolved – maybe when they grow up they will be [involved]. In the meantime, you cannot starve them – they are children, there’s nothing to do.”

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/former-mossad-official-children-in-gaza-over-the-age-of-4-deserve-to-be-starved/

Mondo Weiss is left wing Turd World Fannonism.

yawaraf says

It seems to me like the Arabs in Gaza have chosen sides. Not only do they not collaborate with the Jews to apprehend or destroy Hamas members, but I have also heard reports that some hostages escaped and the "civilians" who found them returned them to their kidnappers.

Reports now of a Palestinian Clan attacking Hamas because they shot a kid trying to get food from an Aid Truck.

The Palestinian impatience with Hamas was bubbling in the past few weeks, I think it's about to boil over.

Notice how relatively quiet the Arab world is. No big moves, and the time for that is about done.

Poor Aspies and Fag Fascist Spazes and College Educated Single Women. Their humbug people will not only survive, but I think there's a solution to the Gaza problem being found.

Again, notice how relatively standoffish the Arabs are.

BTW, thanks to Hungary for standing up against the EU Socialists trying to condemn the terrorist extermination operation
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-787822

NuttBoxer says

That's all I need to know. You are ok with killing civilians...

In that respect you are perfectly matched with this countries government.

Yup. Especially in this situation. Gaza made a choice. Isreal did too. How in the flying fuck does it affect you? It doesn't. Let them do their thing on the other side of the planet. This is such a stupid conversation. This will go on until we're dead. All of us on this forum. No one's opinions matter. This is dumb ass religious stuff. How has that worked out in your lifetime? It hasn't.

This is how it impacts us here. The government of our country is the most corrupt it's ever been. They have launched many, MANY false flags against us. People like you, who justify murdering children, will be their targets for some upcoming false flag where they attempt to paint patriots as terrorists, and you will side with them bombing my family.

The morality you choose to live by, regardless of where the situation occurs, affects your life, and the lives of those around you. But I'm guessing you don't think that far ahead. The war is for our minds, and our morals. More than Gaza, Ukraine, or any other physical location. The day we all say enough, and take action is the day our country stops being corrupt, and stops engaging in worldwide terrorism.

So yeah, it matters...

NuttBoxer says

eople like you, who justify murdering children, will be their targets for some upcoming false flag where they attempt to paint patriots as terrorists, and you will side with them bombing my family.

None of your kids have been bombed. This is a load of shit. Hyperbole. No one gets where you are going. You clearly have a Palestinian affiliation. Fine.

This is going to go on for decades if not a century. I'm not sure your solution. Kids get killed in war. Don't fucking kill 1,200 people and expect no retaliation. This isn't difficult.

Move to Cuba or something. Your life will be trash elsewhere. Enjoy. Or move to the Gaza? Lol. No Isreal children were killed. I mean this has to be a joke comment?

I understand you don't want to think through the ramifications of you agreeing with murdering kids, because if it was happening in front of you, of course you wouldn't agree with it. But if you don't think about where your choices lead you, you will end up in a very fucked world. Actually this conversation is proof we're already there. Lots of Cambodians thought like you did before Pol Pot took over. Lots of Chinese agreed with you before Mao came into power.

Yes, kids DO get killed in war, that's why I'm against war, pretty much all of them, everywhere. Israel killed most of the 1,200 people you referenced, directly, and indirectly. But that would require you researching, instead of just opining, and that's never been why you are here. But it matter to me, because I value truth, so I have done the research, and I'm able to back my opinions with facts. Many examples here if you cared to verify, but you don't.

No one said Israeli children weren't killed.. Well, you did. See, that's what you call hyperbole, and what I said is what you call falling your thoughts to their logical conclusion. Just because I want to look a few years down the road and you don't, doesn't change reality. Just means you won't deal with it. I have to, because I have young children I'm responsible for. And that's probably the biggest reason why we disagree. You've forgotten what it means to be a parent.

NuttBoxer says

They have launched many, MANY false flags against us.

Yes, RFK was assassinated by Palestinians.

In Roger Stone's book, he talks about a dark haired woman that ran out from the Kitchen jumping with joy "WE killed him! We killed him" and was seen and heard by separate witnesses inside the facility and outside the street. That's your "Leila Khalid" assistant from the PFLP or PLO.

So yeah, this woman was seen and heard by people coming out of the kitchen, then different people outside on the street.

Leon Klinghofer a US WW2 Vet was shot in his wheelchair on an Italian Cruiseship on a retirement vacation by Pali Terrorists.

NuttBoxer says

Yes, kids DO get killed in war, that's why I'm against war, pretty much all of them, everywhere

Yep, and the Gaza operation is a stunning 1:2 Combatant:Non-Combatant ratio, almost unheard of, incredibly excellent. The 20th Century Average is 1:9.

And in a built up urban area of malls, apartment buildings, etc.

I would also add all the IDF claims of tunnels and bunkers under Hospitals, UNRWA Buildings, Schools has been confirmed multiple times over. Just like the Reuters Gaza Contractors were working in the same office as Hamas and knew about it but never reported on it. Now we have confirmation that the double-member Hamas and Euro Socialists in UNRWA and Red Cross personnel in Gaza knew in advance and assisted the October 7th attacks.

Evidence so overwhelming, that the UN Bureaucrats, famous for feet dragging and hemming and hawing, had no choice but to fire the UNRWA personnel:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/26/news/un-fires-staffers-who-allegedly-took-part-in-october-7-hamas-terrorist-attacks-on-israel/

The ICRC not only has the authority, but the Geneva Convention assigns the Red Cross the duty, if no other observer party is designated, to visit and provide medical treatment to hostages and civilian prisoners. They've refused only in this case.

The ICRC's own policy is to do so. AND, the ICRC declares they will investigate and provide care to hostages if only one side calls them in. The ICRC also condemns any and all civilian hostage taking by any actor.

https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/S1560775500097789a.pdf

Funny, the Red Cross had no problem visiting suspect IRA members in British Custody. But refuses to do the same office, inviolation of Geneva and it's own policy, for Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad captives.

Israel says it has uncovered a Hamas tunnel network under the headquarters of the embattled UN Palestinian refugee agency in Gaza City — and that the secret system siphoned electricity directly from the site.

Footage uploaded to X on Saturday shows a sprawling tunnel system under the HQs for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees that ran nearly 60 feet deep and a half-mile long, with one of 10 entrances found near a UNRWA school, according to the Israel Defense Forces.

Electrical equipment at the scene suggests that the militants siphoned energy from the relief organization to power its terror infrastructure, the IDF said.

The IDF said it found similar power systems installed in tunnel networks that ran beneath hospitals in Gaza and stole electricity from the buildings.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/11/news/israel-uncovers-tunnels-beneath-unrwas-headquarters-in-gaza/

And there was no way the UN Bureaucrats didn't know.

AmericanKulak says

Yep, and the Gaza operation is a stunning 1:2 Combatant:Non-Combatant ratio

Yet they've managed to murder more women and children than pretty much all other modern conflicts combined. Sounds like your number is way off, or Israel is intentionally targeting civilians(probably both).

Interesting that instead of you agreeing with a statement that doesn't take sides, and puts people first, you've instead attempted to justify the continued murder of civilians. You see through most of our governments false flags and lies, but you have been so easily snared by this one. Goes to show there's propaganda out there for everyone...

NuttBoxer says

“And still, how did you say, children from the age of zero to four? They are uninvolved – maybe when they grow up they will be [involved]. In the meantime, you cannot starve them – they are children, there’s nothing to do.”

They do, and they will, and they will continue, and the US will fund them, and they will produce stupid insipid propaganda that will assuage the public to be complicit in their crime.

"Never again" just means "never again, but only for Jews. Everybody else is fair game".

I have said multiple times Zionists are just Jewish supremacists, and people will scream "anti-Semite" for pointing out the obvious because either they are brainwashed, stupid, or it's an easier to get along to go along. If the US media was controlled by a different power structure, and they claimed that Jewish people, or any subset, was a danger to society, and they had to be isolated for "societies protection", full 70% would have gone along with it without complaint. They did it with the "pandemic". I hope they all WERE poisoned.

AmericanKulak says

Again, notice how relatively standoffish the Arabs are.

Just like Americans, Europeans, Australians, Canadians, the Chinese, Japanese, South Americans...

Remember the outcry when the US blew up Libya to "prevent a humanitarian crisis" and left it in civil war with operating slavery markets? Oh, you don't? Well there wasn't one.

Oh, look at the outcry about the slaughter of Ukrainians in a hopeless war "best investment the United States ever made", right?

WookieMan says

Yup. Especially in this situation. Gaza made a choice. Isreal did too. How in the flying fuck does it affect you? It doesn't.

Oh, we just pay for it all.

Then the money "donated" to Israel for "aid", is used to bribe our traitorous Congressmen to support it, and to pay off our "news" media to whitewash it.

Doesn't have an effect on us at all! I love having blood on our hands. This is what this:



will look like in 100 years:



It won't affect you, it will just affect your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, all the future generations of this nation. Who cares? What's civic responsibility? Beats me!

Keep your head down, listen to the propaganda box, and agree with it. Be a gud citizen!

Pay 4 billion dollars per year to a nation of 10 million Jewish supremacists that bans interfaith marriage, was selling nuclear secrets to apartheid South Africa, has murdered 1% of the population of Gaza, forcibly steals homes for Palestinians, do nothing for the US, and is a safe haven for Jewish criminals because they refuse to extradite anybody? Sign me up!!!

Sure wouldn't want to spend that money on Palestine Ohio or Maui!!!!!!!! Why waste it on the vermin? They are just Americans after all.


original link


The US isn't the concern of US politicians. Israel is!

WookieMan says

None of your kids have been bombed. This is a load of shit. Hyperbole.

The WTC was bombed with the cooperation of the FBI. Emad Salem was an implanted informer in the group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem

During his time as an FBI informant, Salem recorded hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers, and reports submitted in court. In tapes made after the bombings, Salem alleged that an unnamed FBI supervisor declined to move forward on a plan that would have used a "phony powder" to fool the conspirators into believing that they were working with genuine explosives. Federal authorities denied Salem's view of events and the New York Times concluded that the tapes do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a plan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed.

But for the recordings, Emad would have been charged as a co-conspirator. It was recordings that were never provided to the New York Times that prevented the FBI from charging Emad.

Gee whiz, the FIB set him up, and tried to prosecute him, and the only thing that saved him is he didn't trust the FIB and recorded all his conversations with them, and started making them public when they tried to prosecute him. They admit they knew a bombing was about to happen, the contention is that they didn't know it was the WTC, so they did nothing to stop it.

But it's "horseshit" that they would ever do this to you, or your family.

You tools disgust me. Instead of facing reality, you prefer to stick your head up your ass and falsely claim everybody else is crazy.

NuttBoxer says

Yet they've managed to murder more women and children than pretty much all other modern conflicts combined. Sounds like your number is way off, or Israel is intentionally targeting civilians(probably both).

According to whom? The Hamas Ministry of Health, run by Hamas, the elected government of Gaza? UNRWA, full of Hamas Simps, which depends on reporting from the Hamas Ministry of Health?

Murder requires intent. If the intent is to kill terrorists, and a civilian is killed by a flying brick when a strongpoint is bombed, that's not murder.

If there are anywhere near the number of civilian casualties, why does Hamas have to keep faking videos with silicon babies? Or using AI?

Their "Holy Jihad strikes back against Anglo-Zionist Crusader" videos are also fake.

Naturally, their apologists will claim it's the Mossad defaming them, but they do the same shit in Arabic and Pashto and Urdu Media.



How Verdant Green and foggy it is in Israel! hahahaha

AmericanKulak says

According to whom? The Hamas Ministry of Health, run by Hamas, the elected government of Gaza?

They got about 40% of the vote in 2006 when less than 1/2 of the current population was even alive 18 years ago. Israel also funds and supports Hamas.

1/2 of Gaza's population are under 18.

If all the people of Gaza are responsible for the crimes of their government, because they "elected" them, well I'm waiting for Libya to push the US into civil war and to re-adopt slavery, for Iraq to kill off 3.2% of the US population, for Yemen and Somalia to create a famine, for Syria to blow up 1/2 our country and steal our oil producing areas, for Afghanistan to take over the US, encourage pedophilia among men in power, and to increase our opium production by 3 times, and for all of them place bases in our country.

I mean, "we've" done it to them. You shouldn't dish out what you can't eat, right?

Jackson, who formerly made his dough as a Green Alarmist Climate Chicken Little, now monetizing the Middle East


Community Notes just makes the Left and their Judenhassen friends incandescent with Rage

AmericanKulak says

Jackson, who formerly made his dough as a Green Alarmist Climate Chicken Little, now monetizing the Middle East


Community Notes just makes the Left and their Judenhassen friends incandescent with Rage

Why do you assume it's real?

There weren't 40 beheaded babies after all.

Where are the grandparents, or parents on television talking about the horror? Who are the parents of this alleged baby or the grandparents?

I am always surprised at how easily people fall for atrocity propaganda.

richwicks says

I am always surprised at how easily people fall for atrocity propaganda.

For me it's not that. I don't care to be honest. These regions are in turmoil and war always will be. We are literally in WWIII and you just haven't known it. We'll never have a draft again in our lifetimes. Global bases, but minimal physical involvement. Throw cash at it. Whatever. At least it is not my kid dying. Both countries could also not be douche bags as well. Novel concept.

Isreal and Gaza could have gotten along. Both on the Mediterranean, plenty of tourist options if they built it out. Somehow Dubai and Qatar have managed just fine. Palestinians are terrorists. I frankly don't care about either party, because just like Ukraine this never ends in our lifetimes.

WookieMan says

For me it's not that. I don't care to be honest. These regions are in turmoil and war always will be.

They will be as long as the US pays for it to continue.

If the US stopped sending aid to Israel, it would blow away within a year and the US could have relations with all the Middle Eastern countries acting in a responsible manner maintaining detente. When two nations go to war regardless, the US just withdraws and lets them fight it out, favoring neither side.

WookieMan says

We are literally in WWIII and you just haven't known it.

Oh I know it. The US caused it. We've been in WWIII for over a decade, I'd say since at least since the US attacked Syria.

WookieMan says

Israel and Gaza could have gotten along.

No they couldn't. You hear the stories about how Israel left the settlements in Gaza and greenhouses and the like, and the Palestinians destroyed them? That didn't happen, the settlers leaving the area destroyed them. You know the Qassam rockets? They are made from abandoned water pipes that were shut of by Israel that used to feed water to those facilities.

We could see exactly what was going on, but our government purposely reduces satellite resolution to Palestinian areas so we can't. Internet is censored there, internet is censored here.

WookieMan says

Somehow Dubai and Qatar have managed just fine. Palestinians are terrorists.

How is Lebanon doing it? Syria? Iraq? Iran? Kuwait? Anybody on Israel's shitlist somehow does really poorly. I wonder why?

A terrorist is just a slur against anybody our government doesn't like and you adopt it. After all, the "White Helmets" are "freedom fighters", remember? They are al-Qaeda. The Mujahideen were freedom fighters, then they became the Taliban, who were terrorists. They used to rename the groups periodically, but since the average "person" has the long term memory of a mayfly today, they don't even bother.

richwicks says

The WTC was bombed with the cooperation of the FBI. Emad Salem was an implanted informer in the group.

If you want to talk about the US bombing our own children, I'd say OKC is a better example.

AmericanKulak says

According to whom?

Israeli sources, western humanitarian groups. I've been very clear on this point(with MANY sources). But you've already been propagandized by the deep state, so you don't want to know the truth. At this point you may as well fly a Ukrainian flag in front of your house. Such a fucking hypocrite to blast @Misc on one thread, then defend deep state on another.

Nothing to see here, just the IDF massacring starving people waiting in line for food...

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/israel-lied-icj-flour-massacre/

Palestinians trampling each other to death, while Hamas leadership like Yahwar Sinwar continue to hide underground instead of going to exile in Iran.

Face it - Hamas started a war and lost badly. The longer Hamas refuses to accept reality, the longer Gazans will suffer.

So you're calling Israeli's, IDF, Israel's government, all liars? And you seem to be into mainstream propaganda headline manipulation, focusing on people running from being shot, rather than the one's shooting them. And you justify killing innocent starving people by saying it's the governments fault, and the citizens must suffer for it?

Guessing you also supported the non-violent protests a few years back with the fires raging in the background? You believe some new flu killed people, not experimental shots and deadly protocols. And you would be fine with your neighborhood being bombed by the Kremlin because your government started a proxy war they can't win...

Just helping you to see the blatant hypocrisy and obvious brainwashing required to harbor such sociopathic beliefs. Maybe they didn't get you with Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, 9/11, Scamdemic, or Ukraine, but they got you with Israel!

This propaganda continues to be broadcast because of support from viewers like YOU!

NuttBoxer says

So you're calling Israeli's, IDF, Israel's government, all liars?

Not sure who are you are talking to, but the IDF has provided drone videos showing Gazans swarming and stealing from the aid trucks trampling each other.

Again, Hamas could stop the violence today if they simply release the hostages and let the remaining leadership go into exile in Iran.

Hamas lost bigly. It is the ultimate FAFO moment in recent history. Perhaps some lessons will be learned this time around?