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The_Deplorable says

Finally, look at the reality of the ground. Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia - along with Crimea - the
entire Ukranian military front has collapsed and the Ukranian army is now surrendering by the thousands.

Russia already had Crimea before the war and what are you smoking to claim that Ukraine front line is collapsing?

Russia has thrown tens of thousands of bodies at Kharkiv in the past month and their offensive has stalled and Russia has already given up much of the little gains they made in the North.

Russia has half the population of the US and they have lost more troops in a week then the US lost in 20+ years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you really think they can continue to lose thousands of troops each week on this unnecessary war?

socal that’s nato propaganda. where we need to send more because ukraine is about to lose, and simultaneously russia is losing. you believe what you want to believe, however it is a facade.

The_Deplorable says

Yes. In fact, Russia defeated the Globalists in Ukraine and this wiped out the unipolar world order.

And please note: A military defeat has consequences. Pretending that you didn't lose will not change the fact.

Finally, look at the reality of the ground. Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia - along with Crimea - the
entire Ukranian military front has collapsed and the Ukranian army is now surrendering by the thousands.

Reality has no place on socal2's world, it seems.

socal2 says

what are you smoking to claim that Ukraine front line is collapsing?

Reality.

You should smoke it sometime.

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1802825807095853155

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1803729263641698386

That agreement we had to not expand NATO was with the Soviet Union, not Russia. If that excuse is valid for the Soviets not paying their WW1 debts, then it works both ways.

Booger says

That agreement we had to not expand NATO was with the Soviet Union, not Russia. If that excuse is valid for the Soviets not paying their WW1 debts, then it works both ways.

Sorry, but that is lame logic. The early USSR did not assume the WW1 Russian Empire debts, but the Russian Federation did assume the obligations of the defunct USSR. And why was not NATO disbanded? After all, NATO was set up to counter the USSR, which ceased to exist.

https://x.com/KimDotcom/status/1804215934363799622

The_Deplorable says

WookieMan says

"Biden is a dumpster fire, but there are higher up's that will make decisions."

Higher than the President of the United States? Such as who?

Larry Fink, for one.

Patrick says

The_Deplorable says

WookieMan says

"Biden is a dumpster fire, but there are higher up's that will make decisions."

Higher than the President of the United States? Such as who?

Larry Fink, for one.

I assumed this was in jest/sarcasm on Deplorable's end. Anyone that thinks THIS POTUS, is in charge is not right in the head. Could probably name 20 background actors. Biden is basically dead.

Seriously. Can you honestly blame them?

Over 100 draft dodgers try to flee Ukraine daily – official

Most of the fugitives are caught by on-duty officers, the head of a Border Service department has said

Over 100 Ukrainians attempt to flee the country every day by various routes in an effort to escape mobilization, a senior Border Service official has said, admitting that the real number could be even higher.

In an interview with the news agency Unian on Saturday, Igor Matviychuk, who heads the Border Service’s Control Department, said that this figure includes both those who try to leave Ukraine by illegally making their way through checkpoints and those who seek to cross through poorly guarded terrain in the wilderness.

Matviychuk also noted that the statistics include either those detained by Ukrainian patrols and officials, or those reported by foreign authorities. He stated that most draft dodgers are being caught, but that this offense is punishable only by a fine. However, Matviychuk added that those who mastermind schemes to help Ukrainian men illegally leave the country could face criminal charges.

The official’s comments come as Ukrainian journalist Vitaly Glagola reported that the Ukrainian authorities on Friday detained an organized group of as many as 47 men attempting to flee the country for Moldova in Odessa Region in what appears to be the largest single arrest of draft evaders since the start of the conflict.

Ukraine announced a general mobilization shortly after the hostilities with Russia began, barring most categories of men between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country. However, this effort has been marred by widespread graft and draft-dodging. More recently, faced with mounting battlefield losses, Kiev passed a law that lowered the draft age from 27 to 25 and another that significantly tightened mobilization rules.

At the same time, attempts to escape mobilization have proven fatal in some cases. Ukraine’s Border Service said earlier this month that more than 45 Ukrainian men had died in rough terrain while fleeing the country, adding that a significant portion of them drowned in the Tisza River, which flows through southwestern Ukraine, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Serbia.

The agency also admitted last week that its operatives had resorted to firing shots to stop draft dodgers from fleeing the country.
https://www.rt.com/russia/599794-border-ukraine-flee-mobilization/

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/bearish-tuesday-june-25-2024-c-and

Pursuant to Biden’s new policy allowing Ukraine to fire U.S.-supplied weapons into Russian territory, on Sunday Ukraine fired U.S. ATACMS missiles at the Crimean city of Sevastopol. The missiles were equipped with cluster bombs, which are designed only to kill unarmored personnel, meaning people, not tanks or planes or bases or anything.

Just about every country on Earth, except a very few like North Korea and the United States, believes using cluster bombs is a war crime.

Most of Ukraine’s missiles aimed at the Russian city were intercepted by Russia’s air defenses. But one exploded over a crowded beach, causing scores of deaths and hundreds of injuries, including dozens of children.

The pictures are awful.

Ukraine fanatics will argue whataboutism, or say it’s only fair since Russia attacked them first, or something similarly myopic. The main difference is Russia is a near-peer, first world, nuclear armed adversary. As much as Ukrainian die-hards would love to see the U.S. and Russia trade nukes, that will teach them!, the rest of us would prefer not to have to start building bunkers and stocking bugout bags.

Make no mistake. We will pay a price for this. According to the UK Daily Mail, Russia summoned the U.S. Ambassador in Moscow, Lynne Tracy, and warned her that the attack would “not go unpunished. Retaliatory measures will definitely follow.” Americans will likely die so that the Ukrainians can temporarily enjoy a little Schadenfreudey, Pyrrhic victory against unarmed non-combatants on a beach in Russia. ...

I keep asking, where is Congress? Those chickenhawks should either officially declare war, or else shut this down before things get any hotter. Whatever game Biden thinks he’s playing, maybe tic-tac-toe, it isn’t worth it.

Congress is owned by Raytheon and the Epstein pictures.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-is-right-nato-must-be-disbanded

Are you willing to die, along with your entire family and everyone you’ve ever known, to restore the 1961 borders of Ukraine instead of reaching a compromise and a ceasefire in its war with Russia? How about to ensure that LGBT ideology advances in Catholic Poland? Do you support the German establishment’s efforts to outlaw its most popular, patriotic political party? Or the EU’s blackmail of Hungary, fining it millions of dollars a day as long as it refuses to cede control of its immigration policy to Brussels?

Because those are the de facto missions of NATO, and the European Union which it protects with billions of borrowed U.S. dollars. Rather than having those nations spend money on their own defense, they can spend ours to censor their media, persecute biblical preachers who object to trans ideology, prosecute homeschoolers, and seize land from farmers in the name of preventing “climate change.” ...

The anti-Christian oligarchs who rule Western Europe, increasingly despite the will of those countries’ peoples, rely on the NATO alliance to secure their independence with the threat that the United States will launch a suicidal nuclear war in defense of (you name the place: Turkey, Latvia, Finland, etc.). In theory, if Turkey went to war with Greece (not an absurd scenario at this point) we’d be committed to fight for each side against the other.

Patrick says

Just about every country on Earth, except a very few like North Korea and the United States, believes using cluster bombs is a war crime.

But it is OK to use them on their own soil (Crimea) to defend themselves from illegal invaders.

When Ukraine starts spamming Russian civilian centers with massive rocket attacks like Russia has been doing to Ukrainian cities for the past 3 years, then they will be even.

Massive assumption Russia has functioning nukes. You attack another country first, you lost any civilian shield in my opinion. They would have used tactical by now. Russia is pussy. Not much else to it.

Regardless of nukes, Russia/USSR has been fucktards for the better part of 4-5 decades. Russia is a 3rd world country with a few pretty cities. It's a shit hole. Not a person can deny this.

WookieMan says

Massive assumption Russia has functioning nukes. You attack another country first, you lost any civilian shield in my opinion. They would have used tactical by now. Russia is pussy. Not much else to it.

Regardless of nukes, Russia/USSR has been fucktards for the better part of 4-5 decades. Russia is a 3rd world country with a few pretty cities. It's a shit hole. Not a person can deny this.

they have nukes, their missiles are fast. we can’t shoot them down yet. however no nation will use nukes. nukes aren’t that powerful to turn the war, and their biggest threat is fear of them. the only nation to ever nuke was US in Japan.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/beat-medicare-friday-june-28-2024

Yesterday, the Hindustan Times reported what might be great news, although we’ve seen this head-fake before, in an article headlined, “Zelensky’s Big Admission Of Defeat? Says ‘Don’t Want To Prolong War’; Says This On Peace Deal.” Right after putting the U.S. in Russia’s direct crosshairs by massacering Russian beachgoers, the skillful pianist and top comedian has, at long last, committed to a settlement. One wonders whether a call was made. Here’s what Ukraine’s former president said:

Maybe related to the realization that the criminals in the US State Department are likely to be removed soon.

Patrick says

Maybe related to the realization that the criminals in the US State Department are likely to be removed soon.

Naaahhh....that has to be TOO MUCH of a coincidence, I am sure (smirk).

Now, if all of a sudden our European 'allies' were to suddenly announce massive increases in NATO defense spending - both individually as well as collectively - at this time, well then you may be onto something.

socal2 says

But it is OK to use them on their own soil (Crimea) to defend themselves from illegal invaders.

It's never OK to kill women and children.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-jeffrey-sachs

Huh, Sachs says that the moratorium on making viruses more infectious to humans was lifted during the Trump administration.

Onvacation says

It's never OK to kill women and children.

I make an exception for children of the corn.

SoTex says

I make an exception for children of the corn.

Patrick,

For the sake of argument let's say that your assesment is correct and that only the actions of the United States are to blame for the Russian-Ukrainian war.

What do you think would have happened if the United States had not extended its sphere of influence and had not offered military protection to the countries East of the Iron Curtain?

Do you think that Russia would not have invaded, even unprovoked?

I don't think that small and weak countries can exist independently next to powerful countries. The powerful impose their will on the weak. Ironically, I will present our Southern border as an example. Right now we are weak because the illegals show up and we give them rights. Were we to project power, by shooting those who attempt illegal crossings, very few would dare to sneak across the border.

How else besides joining NATO would the Eastern Europeans project power against the Russians?

yawaraf says

Were we to project power, by shooting those who attempt illegal crossings, very few would dare to sneak across the border.

Brilliant!

https://asiatimes.com/2024/07/ukraine-war-will-end-in-surrender/

And yes. Apparently there actually is a town in Donbass named 'New York'.