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Patrick,

For the sake of argument let's say that your assesment is correct and that only the actions of the United States are to blame for the Russian-Ukrainian war.

What do you think would have happened if the United States had not extended its sphere of influence and had not offered military protection to the countries East of the Iron Curtain?

Do you think that Russia would not have invaded, even unprovoked?

I don't think that small and weak countries can exist independently next to powerful countries. The powerful impose their will on the weak. Ironically, I will present our Southern border as an example. Right now we are weak because the illegals show up and we give them rights. Were we to project power, by shooting those who attempt illegal crossings, very few would dare to sneak across the border.

How else besides joining NATO would the Eastern Europeans project power against the Russians?

yawaraf says

Were we to project power, by shooting those who attempt illegal crossings, very few would dare to sneak across the border.

Brilliant!

https://asiatimes.com/2024/07/ukraine-war-will-end-in-surrender/

And yes. Apparently there actually is a town in Donbass named 'New York'.

Onvacation says

yawaraf says

Were we to project power, by shooting those who attempt illegal crossings, very few would dare to sneak across the border.

Brilliant!

or make it felony to hire illegals, all those businesses would stop hiring them and bringing them here.

I do have to give Russia credit for respecting history by using the same tactics and equipment when they tried to take over Finland back in the winter war.

https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1808744402774347867

https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1811318104972304611

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-cover-your-ass-olympics

... the Democratic Party has turned obviously insane, adopting a playbook that could have been written by Franz Kafka.

Being likewise insane, the intel blob and the neocons at State harbored an unappeasable hatred toward Russia that, since the Soviet collapse, allowed no accommodation and gelled into a naked avarice for seizing the resources of Russia with a long-term plan to subvert the Russian state, break it up the way they broke up Serbia in the 1990s, and direct a corporate looting operation of Russia’s oil and mineral riches. Ukraine was the doorway they had to go through to get that done.

And so, the blob and State neocons overthrew democratically-elected Viktor Yanukovych in 2014, and installed Poroshenko followed by Zelensky. Veep “Joe Biden” was given the Ukraine “portfolio,” making him a sort of viceroy, and he took full advantage, plopping his son Hunter on the board of Burisma, the huge Ukrainian natgas company that American oil and gas companies drooled over. Hunter managed to milk the Ukrainian government for tribute to the Biden Family bank accounts far above the roughly million-dollar-a-year salary he grifted from his no-show job on the Burisma board. (Hunter also apparently dabbled in a set of bioweapons labs set up in Ukraine by the CIA.) Thus, along with the sheer insanity of the CIA and State Department, the Biden family had a deep and criminal involvement in Ukraine that had to be concealed.

That degenerate relationship has been revealed since the discovery of the laptop that Hunter stupidly left in a Wilmington computer repair shop, and all the disclosures that have followed — including the sedulous recovery of bank records for the many shell companies the Bidens used to conceal their moneygrubbing in Ukraine and other foreign lands. When Mr. Trump first scented it in the fall of 2019, they impeached him for it. But now that he threatens to return to the White House, the blobists and the Bidens are running out of options to evade an accounting for all this mischief. That desperation is what drives disintegrating “Joe Biden” to remain president and to continue pressing the malevolent and foolish proxy war against hobgoblin Russia and its vilified president, Mr. Putin. So, now you know.

I have no doubt that the neocon descendants of Jews fleeing the pogroms of the Russian Empire (Blinken, Nuland, et.al.), that have dictated US foreign policy since Shrub, thirst for the complete immolation and destruction of Russia. It's blood revenge, completely irrational, born of unquenchable hate.

They are driving us to WWIII. Even a dozen megaton nukes would ruin the world for the next 200 years. There should be hangings for these insane fuckers as well.

A message being sent out to the others: Zekensky gets his cut, or else.

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1814101953774792982

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/breaking-through-sunday-july-21-2024

There’s no new information today, but note that none of Biden’s neocons ever mention “peace,” the “cost of so many lives,” the “devastated innocent families,” “ending the violence,” or paving a “path forward to prosperity.”

Only President Trump talks about those things.

https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1815464290453004585

@BowesChay
Dear US Tax payers

Just to let you know, that while you struggle to pay your rent, educate your kids and save something for a "rainy day"

The Pentagon "accidentally" paid Dictator Zelensky an Extra $6.2 billion of your money

"An accounting error"

Patrick says

There’s no new information today, but note that none of Biden’s neocons ever mention “peace,” the “cost of so many lives,” the “devastated innocent families,” “ending the violence,” or paving a “path forward to prosperity.”

Only President Trump talks about those things.

It's one of the primary reasons why they want to take him out. With $Hundreds of Billions floating around in off shore accounts, there is just too much to lose to have some patriot that is running for President to get in their way.

Patrick says

https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1815464290453004585

BowesChay
Dear US Tax payers

Just to let you know, that while you struggle to pay your rent, educate your kids and save something for a "rainy day"

The Pentagon "accidentally" paid Dictator Zelensky an Extra $6.2 billion of your money

"An accounting error"

Pentagon didn't pay anything to any zelensky: at best it could transfer some obsolete weaponry and ammo which some 30 years ago had this kind of accounting value and was purchased for this exact purpose - repelling aggressive Soviets. Which means we really saved money because we didn't have to pay for disposal of all that crap, which is not a trivial expense.

And what all this libby talk about "struggling families"? It's not government's business if some lazy bums are "struggling" or not. Pull your shit together, learn some in-demand trade (plumbing, welding, Java, AI - it's up to you) and put that food on your family's table! No support for wellfare queens from true conservatives!

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/delegation-wednesday-july-24-2024

Yesterday, just days after his phone call with post-nomination Trump, Zelensky’s tone seems to have … changed. At a minor press event somewhere, the martial law administrator said, and I am not making this up either, “We have to end the war as soon as possible ... of course, to not lose people's lives.”

My goodness! The empathetic former president is finally connecting with the plight of his citizens. Stop the loss of life!

Note: No media covered this press conference, and I couldn’t find any details. But I thought it was interesting enough to include anyway, since I found confirmation of Ukraine’s sudden and unexpected diplomatic tone in a Tass article headlined, “Top Ukrainian diplomat says Kiev ready for talks with Russia — Chinese MFA.”

It only took one phone call. And Trump’s not even President yet.

https://words.mattiasdesmet.org/p/the-trump-assassination-attempt-the

So, I repeat my point: with Trump, the provocation of Russia stops, and the war in Ukraine ends. Presidents who threaten to end wars are sometimes shot at by lone gunmen. And those lone gunmen are, in turn, shot dead. And the archives about that remarkable act of lone gunmen sometimes remain sealed for a remarkably long time, much longer than they usually do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/04/world/europe/ukraine-war-dating.html

Don't worry ladies. Being raped on the street 4 times a day by Rissian occupation soldiers* will make up for it.

* See Berlin 1945 for historical data

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Don't worry ladies. Being raped on the street 4 times a day by Rissian occupation soldiers* will make up for it.

* See Berlin 1945 for historical data

No need to go as far as 1945: see Bucha, Izyum, Mariupol, Kherson and hundreds small towns and villages.

Red Army is and has always been a horde of war criminals.

RWSGFY says

Red Army is and has always been a horde of war criminals.

But they are saving humanity from the satanic global homos!

Curious to see if Ukraine will be able to hold onto the territory they just conquered in Russia this week. Assume the goal is to divert Russian troops from other active lines and perhaps a future bargaining chip if they end up negotiating a settlement with land swaps.

socal2 says

Curious to see if Ukraine will be able to hold onto the territory they just conquered in Russia this week. Assume the goal is to divert Russian troops from other active lines and perhaps a future bargaining chip if they end up negotiating a settlement with land swaps.

Unfortunately no. Russia will keep chugging along. Putin doesn't care. His time on life is running out. Dying people make stupid decisions because they have nothing to lose and Russia has more men to throw at this for a decade. And I'm not saying he's dying, but 71 is no spring chicken especially for men.

Basically he personally has nothing to lose. He's entrenched in power. Any family he has is and will be wealthy for at least a generation or two. Until the oligarchs kids go to war, which won't happen, this can go on for decades. There may be a cease fire, but round two will come shortly after. It would take an entire collapse of the nation and that doesn't seem apparent.

Either way it's a stupid war. And even if Russia wins, they decimated everything they wanted to gain and will have to rebuild it. So I really don't see either side "winning" at all. It's already lost for both sides.

socal2 says

Curious to see if Ukraine will be able to hold onto the territory they just conquered in Russia this week.

Right. Stupid Ukey Nazis lured into a trap to be slaughtered is 'territory they just conquered in Russia' now.

Over 400 Russians killed in Himars attack near Kursk? Presumably a convoy sent to reinforce this unprotected area that Ukraine gobbled up?

https://radaronline.com/p/russian-troops-killed-state-of-emergency-ukraine-attack/

Been shocking how locked Russia and Ukraine have been for 2+ years in trench battle with very little movement on the battle lines. This is the first breakout "thunder run" type movement we have seen since Russia's initial invasion.

Politically it has to be embarrassing to Putin. Ukraine has gained more enemy land in a couple days than Russia has done in the past year. We will soon see if it has strategic value as well.

Historically Kursk region had always been part of Ukraine. USSR should give land for peace.

Lipetsk aibase before



and after denazification

The most important thing now is to immediately stop the bloodshed. Russia must hand over the Kursk, Belgorod, Bryansk, Oryol, Kaluga and Voronezh regions to Ukraine. It does not matter who these territories belong to. The main thing is that peaceful people stop dying!

Checkmate!

Now that Russian territory has been officially invaded by the stupid Ukeys, Putin can legally deploy hundreds of thousands of reservists into the war that he previously could not before. Yes, Russia has laws. No, Putin is not a dictator. Powerful, yes. Corrupt, yes.

So is our POTUS.

Putin reacts to Ukraine invading Russia
https://youtu.be/9ufrs3wZ6dg?si=F2CdH5lR6c9MWZj8

"Watching a German general analysing battle of Kursk on YouTube wasn't on my 2024 bingo card."

https://twitter.com/cecilie0019/status/1824079749779730643

More than a week Nazis are freely making lampshades out of Soviet citizens in Kursk oblast and Pukin is pretending nothing is happening. If SCHMO is still going according to plan, does it mean that OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER planned for his subjects to be turned into lampshades by blood-thirsty Zalensky regime Joo Nazi goons? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

you guys remind me of retarded republicans in 2002 who were chest pounding wanting more troops in Iraq. now you do same stupid stuff but with Ukraine. We need to just cut it off and leave it. Ukraine is not our responsibility and we shouldn’t pay taxes for military industrial complex neocons to war profiteering (the group that installed Biden puppet). friends look in the mirror and you will see previous fools. i don’t mean this in judgemental ways. i’ve been a fool plenty. but i see the government lie and see through bullshit sale this one time. don’t fall for it fellow patnetters. this is the new neocon war.

Ukraine’s invasion (of Kursk) was a major strategic blunder, which will accelerate its defeat. The key determinant of success in a war of attrition is the casualty-exchange ratio, not capturing territory, which Western commentators obsess over. The casualty-exchange ratio in the Kursk offensive decisively favors Russia for two reasons. First, it has caused relatively few Russian casualties because Ukraine’s army effectively overran undefended territory. Second, once alerted to the attack, Moscow quickly brought massive airpower to bear against the advancing Ukrainian troops, who were in the open and easy to strike. Unsurprisingly, the attacking forces lost many soldiers and a huge proportion of their equipment.

To make matters worse, Kyiv removed top-notch combat units from the front lines in eastern Ukraine — where they are desperately needed — and made them part of the Kursk strike force. This move is tilting the already lopsided casualty-exchange ratio on that critically important front further in Russia’s favor.

https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-kursk-offensive-a-foolish-move

If Kursk blows, it irradiates most of Eurasia, and the rest falls into the Pacific Ocean -BFD.