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FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It’s not splitting hairs. Level of intent is literally the difference in 1st degree/2nd degree murder and manslaughter.

It doesn't matter if he planned it 2 weeks before, or decided to kill people once he took his right on East Main Street. It doesn't even matter if it's 1st or 2nd degree. He's done in society permanently. He killed 6 people and injured over 40. He's out of society permanently.

richwicks says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It’s not splitting hairs. Level of intent is literally the difference in 1st degree/2nd degree murder and manslaughter.

It doesn't matter if he planned it 2 weeks before, or decided to kill people once he took his right on East Main Street. It doesn't even matter if it's 1st or 2nd degree. He's done in society permanently. He killed 6 people and injured over 40. He's out of society permanently.

Unfortunately that’s not necessarily the case.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Unfortunately that’s not necessarily the case.

Absolutely it is.

James Alex Fields, Jr killed a woman by backing into a crowd in Charlottesville. He's in jail for life. He didn't drive through a crowd, and when he hit them, continue driving through a crowd. He might get out on good behavior at some point. He made some racist public statements, that's what REALLY screwed him.

I know our judicial system is VERY BROKEN, but a guy that just got out on bail for using his car to attempt to hit his ex-girlfriend isn't going to be able to walk away from this, ever. He's 40. He's going to die in prison. Doesn't matter what his public statements were either. It won't come up in court. He'll plea I bet - no reason not to.

It's pointless to ask "what exactly was his state of mind?" - who cares? Same outcome. What? Do you really want to know if he was a some racist that decided to kill white people because he had been misinformed by our media about Rittenhouse for a year?

Our "news" media is pure propaganda, they very well may have influenced him. Who cares? They are going to continue doing this, even if they are sued into oblivion by Rittenhouse. Our government, DIRECTLY, supports our "mainstream media". It's not ever going to go away until either our government goes through a MAJOR transformation or goes away itself. People are reluctant to understand this is the reality. Our press' MAIN JOB is to misinform the public on behalf of government narratives. They produce propaganda, and that's ALL they produce. They don't even claim to be factual anymore. There's been numerous lawsuits in which our "news" has admitted in court, under oath, that they have no obligation to report on facts and they have no obligation to tell the truth.

They can't libel or slander, but they can lie. They can lie about the effectiveness of vaccines, why the US is going to war, etc. That's entirely legal and that's their primary purpose to exist.

For this case, you're beating a dead horse if you're like "the media must be held accountable in some way if they influenced his state of mind!" - they will never be held accountable. People who still believe the "mainstream media" is news at all at this point, are fucking stupid, and they can't be corrected at this point. At this point if they haven't realized it by now, they can't realize it.

You are trying to make a connection that doesn’t really exist. Fact of the matter is that when this dude gets his day in court, state of mind and what the prosecution can prove will be the factors that will decide whether he stays in prison for 5-50 years or if he stays in prison for the rest of his life.

I will concede that politics have become way too involved in the judicial system but that’s a separate matter from what kind of crime a defendant gets convicted of and what sentence is received(most of the time…..we will see if the Chauvin case is overturned on appeal)

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Fact of the matter is that when this dude gets his day in court, state of mind and what the prosecution can prove will be the factors that will decide whether he stays in prison for 5-50 years or if he stays in prison for the rest of his life.

The best he can hope for is a mental asylum but that's a long shot.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I will concede that politics have become way too involved in the judicial system but that’s a separate matter from what kind of crime a defendant gets convicted of and what sentence is received

We don't have a judicial system anymore.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

we will see if the Chauvin case is overturned on appeal

Chauvin won't get an appeal. He doesn't have the money for it. People will forget him in another year just like they've forgotten who Dawit Kelete. Innocent people go to jail all the time. Unless the Innocence Project picks up Chauvin's case, he's not getting an appeal.

richwicks says

Unless the Innocence Project picks up Chauvin's case

LOL, do they have tanning beds in prison? If not, he's screwed.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Unless the Innocence Project picks up Chauvin's case

LOL, do they have tanning beds in prison? If not, he's screwed.

They've gotten white people out of prison as well.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Unless the Innocence Project picks up Chauvin's case

LOL, do they have tanning beds in prison? If not, he's screwed.

They've gotten white people out of prison as well.

Maybe in the past. It's not gonna happen today.

Eric Holder says

Maybe in the past. It's not gonna happen today.

Probably not with Chauvin I'd bet, but with others.

The country will be in chaos in a few years anyhow.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Maybe in the past. It's not gonna happen today.

Probably not with Chauvin I'd bet, but with others.

No way, Jose.

richwicks says

The country will be in chaos in a few years anyhow.

As if the last couple years wasn't chaos. I do agree it will get worse before it gets better; if it gets better. In the mean time the BEST you can do is enjoy life and make a positive difference anyway you can.

https://notthebee.com/article/retired-navy-seal-commends-rittenhouses-great-weapon-handling-skills-everything-he-did-was-textbook-perfect

Retired Navy SEAL on Rittenhouse's "great weapon-handling skills": "Everything he did was textbook perfect"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/virginia-police-officer-fired-after-rittenhouse-donation-wants-job-back

https://notthebee.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-online-gaming-account-receives-notice-that-his-username-kyle-rittenhouse-may-harm-others-or-negaitvely-disrupt-the-game?source=patrick.net

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UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

At least two of them are Jewish.

Just stating a fact there..

Patrick says

Nope. Sheer incompetence.

The level of fuckery impeding government from being able to do even the most basic functions is too outstanding for the Average Joe to accept. So, we make up conspiracies to explain otherwise.

You can't explain DEI incompetence as the problem AND then claim Grand Conspiracy! at the same time. That's just more cope...usually after what I just said is pointed out.

"But! But! The Conspiracy IS DEI!"



A conspiracy IS easier to pull off in an environment of said rife incompetence, that's logical to say. But remember, the ppl conspiracists say are involved are in the very incompetent fuck-uped orgs we are talking about here. So, possible but unlikely.

The stonewalling from the SS and FBI is just them trying to cover their asses as long as possible. What we should be looking at is who and at what level is putting in paperwork for early retirement involving a move to Costa Rica or Belize, etc. where the can"t be supeoned and when that will go into effect for most of them. Then you find put when the investigation results will come out at the earliest.

I simply cannot fathom the assassination attempt was due to incompetance. That is a bridge too far for me. Unless they were all fighting over who is going to take the shot.

GNL says

I simply cannot fathom the assassination attempt was due to incompetance. That is a bridge too far for me.

Exactly. You are living proof of why Hanlon's Razor exists. Which I summed up here:

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

The level of fuckery impeding government from being able to do even the most basic functions is too outstanding for the Average Joe to accept.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Nope. Sheer incompetence.

The level of fuckery impeding government from being able to do even the most basic functions is too outstanding for the Average Joe to accept. So, we make up conspiracies to explain otherwise.

Incompetence does not excuse how he knew he could get access to a roof that SS snipers just yards away could see, and not take him out first.
That took some level of coordination and an itinerary. Erased and missing communications, and body cams damns the Secret Service from the Top down, until they can produce evidence that says otherwise.

Listen if your girlfriend is in a locked room with a mondongo moaning with pleasure. There is no side of caution to error on. It is what it is, just on the face of it. And that's what this fucking IS!

This isn't just a one off, the fuckery never ends, and the parade of pearl clutching useful idiots, saying "Well let's not jump to conclusion..." are just as culpable as the corrupt players organizing the skullduggery and fuckery.

Tenpoundbass says

Incompetence does not excuse how he knew he could get access to a roof that SS snipers just yards away could see

Yes, it can.

Tenpoundbass says

Erased and missing communications, and body cams damns the Secret Service from the Top down, until they can produce evidence that says otherwise.

Doesn't prove anything other than they got rid of the evidence. And you can't believe the main motive is to cover up their incompetence.

Tenpoundbass says

Listen if your girlfriend is in a locked room with a mondongo moaning with pleasure. There is no side of caution to error on. It is what it is, just on the face of it. And that's what this fucking IS!

No it isn't. That is you cooking up a convenient analogy that you INSIST applies to your conspiracy theory. That's it. Non sequitor, dude.

Tenpoundbass says

This isn't just a one off, the fuckery never ends, and the parade of pearl clutching useful idiots, saying "Well let's not jump to conclusion..." are just as culpable as the corrupt players organizing the skullduggery and fuckery.

Don't jump to conclusion YOU CAN'T PROVE. You can't understand that part or just refuse to acknowledge it.

You're all like Lefties who claim the whole thing was staged.

You also just admitted that you can't handle the fact that our government is fucking incompetent as hell enough to truly fuck this up and are now covering it up. That is the fuckery never ends that is happening here. There are plenty of other SS fuck ups that have happened. They just don't get the press much, is all. So history backs the incompetence angle up.way more than it does conspiracy.

Thus you prove Hanlon's Razor quite well.

Incompetence comes with scapegoats. This is a tight lipped fuck up, a hit on the President that went wrong.

Tenpoundbass says

Incompetence comes with scapegoats. This is a tight lipped fuck up, a hit on the President that went wrong.

The hit going wrong was pure luck. Allowing it to happen was the fuck up. That is why they are most likely why they being tight lipped and hiding shit from us.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

I think we have been watching two different hearings. Or you haven't watched one damn minute of them.

With your useful idiot thinking, I bet you think the 2020 election was just a glitch of untrained incompetent poll workers too.

"You gotta be careful how you say (insert controlled narrative here)"
Facci's famous narrative control method.

Tenpoundbass says

I think we have been watching two different hearings. Or you haven't watched one damn minute of them.

Nope. Nor have you proven anything still.

Tenpoundbass says

With your useful idiot thinking, I bet you think the 2020 election was just a glitch of untrained incompetent poll workers too.

Another personal attack in lieu of proof of your conspiracy theories. Just like the crap I get from Stagers, too.

Tenpoundbass says

"You gotta be careful how you say (insert controlled narrative here)"
Facci's famous narrative control method.

So what?

I thought you were smarter than Rick Scott

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/08/01/rick-scott-secret-service-is-making-the-public-feel-like-there-is-a-cover-up/

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Tenpoundbass says

I think we have been watching two different hearings. Or you haven't watched one damn minute of them.

Nope. Nor have you proven anything still.

I'm not trying to prove anything, the coordination of the SS facilitating Crooks speaks for itself. It's the SS that has to prove something and they failed.
Go Useful Idiot somewhere else. I hear Maduro is looking for a few good... "Now hear him out!" people.

Tenpoundbass says

I thought you were smarter than Rick Scott

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/08/01/rick-scott-secret-service-is-making-the-public-feel-like-there-is-a-cover-up/

'feel' is not proving anything. Abd there's no denying it makes ppl 'feel' that there is a coverup. Nor are cover ups conspiracies proving 'it's an inside job', either.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm not trying to prove anything, the coordination of the SS facilitating Crooks speaks for itself. It's the SS that has to prove something and they failed.

More BS. They don't have to prove YOUR conspiracy theories are false or not.

Burden of proof falls on you.

I don't blame you in thinking a lot here is fishy. I do hold you to using critical thinking skills, tho.

Tenpoundbass says

Go Useful Idiot somewhere else. I hear Maduro is looking for a few good... "Now hear him out!" people.

More as hominen in lieu of proof.

Initially I thought inside job but after about 10 days Dan Bongino claimed incompetence. He's former USSS and still has a lot of connections. Also he's a guy that I suspect would say inside job if he thought that was the case. I'm not convinced of either but if I had to choose it would be incompetence.

You're not proposing that I don't have legal grounds for my own opinions about the glaringly obvious are you?

You may as well join the Democrats and use it for an opportunity to ban the 2nd@.

Your bitching about how others see it is not beneficial. I have never nor will I ever bitch and argue with other people over their view over an event.

You keep calling for proof, what a joke. You mean bodycam and radio recording proof? That is criminally missing. Is that incompetence too?

Like the stolen election deniers, as the evidence stacks up and more people agree, they still believe the 2020 election was honest.

Tenpoundbass says

You're not proposing that I don't have legal grounds for my own opinions about the glaringly obvious are you?

No. You can imagine up whatever you want.

You just run into trouble when you present them as facts, get called out on it, then don't do shit when asked to prove it.

Just like I call out socal2's bullshit the same way.

Also, you.have proven yourself to be a hypocrite in not accepting others like me when I point the obvious as I see it.

Tenpoundbass says

You may as well join the Democrats and use it for an opportunity to ban the 2nd.

WTF? More ad hominen...and doesn't even have to do with this subject nor my well documented stance on the 2nd amendment here on ParNet. Admit it: you are just lashing out.

Tenpoundbass says

Your bitching about how others see it is not beneficial. I have never nor will I ever bitch and argue with other people over their view over an event.

1);You just proved otherwise in this entire conversation with me and 2) asking you to provide proof of your claims is not 'bitching about how others see it'.

Tenpoundbass says

You keep calling for proof, what a joke. You mean bodycam and radio recording proof? That is criminally missing. Is that incompetence too?

That is covering up the incompetence, as I have repeatedly stated so. Covering up incompetence is not proof that what happened was caused by factors other than incompetence, barring FUCKING PROOF otherwise.

GNL:
"I simply cannot fathom the assassination attempt was due to incompetance."

Yes And all I did was point out how that bears Hanlon's Razor out. You couldn't handle that because it was an affront to your conspiracy theories cooked up in your head, then went on the attack.

You then went on this wacko tirade involving me not hearing my girlfriend getting banged against a locked door, called me names, brought up Maduro. Brought up the 2nd...etc.

You did each in response to me calling you out to prove what you are saying other than 'it is the obvious'. You never provided proof to back that 'obvious'. You conflate the cover-up as being proof enough of said 'obvious' and, based on your behavior displayed here, you take any challenge to that as a direct attack on you and then go on the attack yourself - ALL WHY CLAIMING THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING.

^^ that's the FACTS of this situation, summed up.

You posted back 2018 one of PatNet's longer lived and successful threads 'How come liberals lack critical thinking skills?'

Yet your behavior here shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills being applied. In fact, this is classical liberal behavior you are engaging in, instead.

WTF, dude?