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2022 Apr 29, 9:29pm   595,666 views  5,462 comments

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimco-kiesel-called-housing-top-160339396.html?source=patrick.net

Bond manager Mark Kiesel sold his California home in 2006, when he presciently predicted the housing bubble would pop. He bought again in 2012, after U.S. prices fell more than 30% and found a floor.

Now, after a record surge in prices, Kiesel says the time to sell is once again at hand.

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5436   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 2, 1:26pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

Back in the 1980's my grandma told me they got their Long Island house during the Great Depression on a 7 year mortgage.


My great-grandparents got their house in the 40s on a 10 year. $5k house in San Francisco.
5437   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 3, 1:18pm  

Who is the Replacement Coalition?

Sure leftists want more voters, and the usual suspects hate goys and whitey... but its more than that, why did it take off so aggressively after 2020?

Because the housing market rests on sand! Haitians don't do real work, they cost thousands a month... but what they do if you give them the money is they occupy housing. Then they'll displace the whites and producitve young people who have to bid up the housing that's left.

The core demographic of replacement migration, the people who have infinite time and money and would have resisted this to the point of bombings if it happened in the 70s, are all boomers who are willing to allow it just so long as their home price doesn't collapse and their retirement plans with it.

American children are being ethnically cleansed because boomers can't accept the house they bought for 50k is actually just worth 50k because they didn't have enough kids to make property values go up naturally.

They want their cruises and 800k in medical expenses that add negative 2 weeks to their life, and they'll gladly let their granddaughters be raped and eaten by Haitians to not have to face the fact they saved nothing and can't afford them.

2000 bombs went off in the US in 1972. The boomers are perfectly capable of resisting government policies they don't like up to and including violence... they just don't want the replacement to stop, otherwise their reversed mortgaged "million dollar" home is actually worth 50k and about 150k underwater.


https://substack.com/@anarchonomicon/note/c-69007715
5439   Patrick   2024 Oct 3, 5:37pm  

https://wolfstreet.com/2024/10/03/here-come-the-vacant-homes-new-listings-jump-when-they-normally-drop-in-september-active-listings-pile-up-listing-prices-drop-below-2-years-ago-buyers-still-on-strike-prices-too-high/


Here Come the Vacant Homes: New Listings Jump when they Normally Drop in September, Active Listings Pile up, Listing Prices Drop below 2 Years Ago. Buyers on Strike, Prices too High
5440   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 5:39pm  

To save America, Choke and pummel asset prices like a Haitan does to a public park duck.


5441   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 5:41pm  

B-b-but, muh lower rates will keep my overinflated main asset from declining in price!





In it's attempt to stop asset prices from returning to normal, the Fed is now bringing back inflation in every other sector of the economy, like groceries.
5442   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 5:54pm  

Slowly getting better here. The 1962 1100sq ft Concrete Brick starter homes and 1982 Mfg Homes are no longer ~$300k. They've now fallen to about $250k. Still way too expensive at 5x median income (6-7x for Lower-than-national-average wage Florida).

However insurance and property taxes went up 30% these past few years. My Property Tax went up 10% last year and my condo fees 50% in the past 3 years, almost all of it was insurance. Cable, Water, Trash, etc. was only 2-3% increases.

That also means the decline in interest rates only impacts PART of the total PITI holding cost. So more cuts are needed.

Homeloaners, panic and cut more steeply!
5443   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 6:46pm  

The rural properties with a few acres and a mfg house are still ludicrous. $220k looks great, you figure you live cheap a few years then get a whole new mfg house.

Until you see the mildew covering 80% of the ceiling, the cabinets without doors, and raw plywood in parts of the house and realize you're going to be like the guy who found the Meteorite in Creep Show.
5445   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 3, 11:20pm  

AmericanKulak says

realize you're going to be like the guy who found the Meteorite in Creep Show.


That was Stephen King who was that guy.
5446   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 3, 11:22pm  

Man, he's a goofy looking fucker.
5447   zzyzzx   2024 Oct 4, 9:21am  

https://creditnews.com/markets/a-record-percentage-of-americans-believe-now-is-a-bad-time-to-buy-a-home/

A record percentage of Americans believe now is a bad time to buy a home
5448   zzyzzx   2024 Oct 4, 9:30am  

https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/homes-lingering-on-market-longest-5-years/

Homes Are Lingering on the Market Longer Than They Have in 5 Years, Giving Buyers a Big Edge
5449   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 7, 10:22am  

AmericanKulak says

Man, he's a goofy looking fucker.





5450   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 7, 11:37am  

BTW, when you read or reflect on King's books with knowledge that he was is an SDS Leftwing Radical, you can easily see the oldest Hate - for White Working Class people.
5451   Eric Holder   2024 Oct 7, 12:33pm  

Ceffer says

Westside, not even that close to the ocean.


GIVE GLOBULL WORMING SOME TIME AND IT WILL BE WATEFRONT!!! AND THEN IT QUADRUPLES!!!!
5453   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 8, 8:32pm  

Blackrock and the others stopped buying many quarters ago.
5454   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 8, 8:34pm  

AmericanKulak says

Blackrock and the others stopped buying many quarters ago.


Now they are even selling.
5455   AD   2024 Oct 8, 11:28pm  

Florida housing needs to be listed at least 20% below its peak price set in June 2022.

I realize less people will be inclined to retire to Florida because of hurricane fears. However, they may end up moving further inland like +20 miles from the beach in towns such as The Villages, Deltona, Lakeland and Ocala.

Where we are in Panama City Beach, we are around 17 feet above sea level and about 2 miles from the beach. Worst case is high tide and category 5 that brings about 5 feet above ground where we are at based on GIS mapping and National Hurricane Center data.

Category 5 Hurricane Michael only had a storm surge of around 10 feet, but the Florida Panhandle beach roads (Thomas Drive, Front Beach Rd, 30A, etc) are at 10 feet above sea level.

Tourists are still going to come to Florida, so there will still need vacation housing/condos, hotels and motels, as well as housing (townhomes and apartments) for all the workers (from hotel front desk to car mechanics to urgent care clinic staff to restaurant cooks).


5456   AD   2024 Oct 8, 11:46pm  

on my Facebook feed...it is DR Horton for Florida panhandle

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5459   clambo   2024 Oct 9, 11:15pm  

Google median home prices in Palm Beach County and Martin County.
The trend is still upward.
Or, realtor.com and just enter a county you're curious about.
Santa Cruz, CA median price is $1.4 million.
No wonder the locals are stressed out these days.
5460   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Oct 11, 4:54am  

Home Prices Are Plummeting in Some of the Nation’s Most Desirable Places To Live—Especially in These 10 Cities

Why prices are decreasing

In Florida, which has four cities in the top 10, the downward shift in pricing comes after a major COVID-19 pandemic boom.

“Remote work trend certainly played a role, but I think many of the people that have come to Florida were more focused on the benefits of no state income tax as well as political ideologies,” says Robert Washington, owner of Savvy Buyers Realty in St. Petersburg, FL.

The influx of new residents drew builders to Florida who added inventory, which helped bring the median price down. (However, in cities such as Miami, median list prices are still 50% higher than before the pandemic.) It’s also worth noting this data was collected before Hurricanes Helene and Milton ripped through the state.

The downward trend in median list prices is happening on the national level, too, with home prices also falling in popular cities in the Midwest, the West, and the South.

https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/10-metros-home-prices-decreased-most


5461   AD   2024 Oct 15, 11:19am  

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https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/middle-class-new-homeowners-cost-burdened-house-poor-rcna163853

vacation rentals in places like Panama City Beach does not help this

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The share of middle-class Americans who are buying wallet-squeezing homes has more than doubled in the previous 10 years.

Almost 30% of middle-class homeowners bought homes with monthly payments costing more than 30% of their income in 2022, an NBC News analysis of Census Bureau data found. That’s more than twice the share from 2013, with experts warning it leaves many households with less money for groceries and emergencies and less able to get ahead in the future.

That “cost-burdened” benchmark — in which a household devotes over 30% of income to housing costs — is a widely used measure of affordability for both homeownership and renting. The Census Bureau measures housing costs against it, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development has used it for decades.
5462   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 15, 10:20pm  

The Buyer's strike is on!

Inventory skyrocketing, completed transactions plummeting, stalling across the nation. The biggest COVID markets are the first to start the collapse.

Rates, Schmates. It's the underlying price that's too DAMN high.



Knock inflated Assets to the ground!

As I said, the fun really begins a quarter or so after the first rate cut. That's when reality bites the homeloaner's prized paper puffed up asset.

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