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What to say to people who watched Trump get shot and still deny it?


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2024 Oct 23, 9:28pm   433 views  27 comments

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My father-in-law, and other people whose far-left world view is hanging by a thread, keeps insisting that the assassination attempt on Trump in Butler was staged.

Jesus Christ on a stick. There's video of the bullet vaporizing part of Trump's ear, and the head of the Secret Service resigned, and even the NY Times wrote in great detail about the attempt, admitting it was very real. Is the NY Times in on the scam after 8 years of heaping scorn and lies on Trump every single day?

What can you possibly say to people who are so far gone? It's like talking to flat-earthers.


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6   Tenpoundbass   2024 Oct 24, 5:57am  

I ridicule their news source, and tell them Rachell Meadows has her hand so far up their ass, they are look and sound like a commie Muppet.
7   clambo   2024 Oct 24, 6:46am  

It wasn't staged. The Secret Service was inept, full of Keystone Cops who didn't know their jobs.
No consipacy to kill Trump could be kept secret; too many people have to keep their mouth shut and that's never likely.
I also don't understand why anyone hates Trump; he isn't an asshole, he's funny. He also isn't rude, he's blunt and direct. He surely defends himself against the liars in the media and on TV, that's what I would do too.
His positions on things which matter to Americans got him elected, and he was a popular president.
8   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 24, 7:01am  

Nothing. People believe in all kinds of weird shit. Are you planning to ruin the Thanksgiving dinner?
9   mell   2024 Oct 24, 8:02am  

It's pretty hard, close to impossible, to stage it to the point where the bullet grazes the face without severe permanent damage or death if off by an inch or two compared to as "planned".
10   HeadSet   2024 Oct 24, 6:11pm  

Trump did not stage anything. But why was a man with a very high-speed camera on hand to catch the bullet? It is as if he knew about the sniper in advance and wanted to catch the hit on tape.
11   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 24, 6:45pm  

HeadSet says


Trump did not stage anything. But why was a man with a very high-speed camera on hand to catch the bullet? It is as if he knew about the sniper in advance and wanted to catch the hit on tape.


Because there are dozens of photographers at every such event with modern digital SLRs capable of insane ISO and FPS in their hands?
12   HeadSet   2024 Oct 24, 8:04pm  

RWSGFY says

Because there are dozens of photographers at every such event with modern digital SLRs capable of insane ISO and FPS in their hands?

There have been high speed cameras since film only days. But then as now they must be set up specifically to catch a bullet. Why did the photographer have such a high shutter speed and corresponding high ISO in broad daylight?
13   WookieMan   2024 Oct 24, 9:02pm  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

Because there are dozens of photographers at every such event with modern digital SLRs capable of insane ISO and FPS in their hands?

There have been high speed cameras since film only days. But then as now they must be set up specifically to catch a bullet. Why did the photographer have such a high shutter speed and corresponding high ISO in broad daylight?

Massive SD cards. They take 100's of photos a minute and you can swap them out in seconds. You get an iconic shot you can make a lot of money. It's actually rare that someone didn't get a better shot of it. No pun intended.
14   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 25, 7:33am  

In a film day you wouldn't do multi-shot bursts every time and the ISO was shit. Now it's a SOP. It's a different world now.
15   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2024 Oct 25, 11:22am  

Larry Elder used to cite a study in the 90’s where like 8% still thought elvis was alive.

You can’t reach the imbeciles. Your father in law is an imbecile(sorry Pat’s wife but your pops is braindead). And probably deserves to be called as such.
16   HeadSet   2024 Oct 25, 6:18pm  

WookieMan says

They take 100's of photos a minute

It would take 100s of photos per second to catch a bullet.
17   clambo   2024 Oct 25, 7:09pm  

It was a lucky picture; Trump moving just as the guy fired at him was also lucky, but both happened.
18   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 26, 7:38am  

HeadSet says

WookieMan says


They take 100's of photos a minute

It would take 100s of photos per second to catch a bullet.


You need high shutter speed first and foremost, and modern digital SLRs deliver in this department. They go up to 1/32K sec iirc. This is fast enough for a bullet. Then add to
it the capability to shoot bursts of up to 40 FPS, number of fotogs taking pictures of the same object simultaneously and probability of one of them catching that bullet in flight goes way up.
19   WookieMan   2024 Oct 26, 10:03am  

HeadSet says

It would take 100s of photos per second to catch a bullet.

Yes, and there were many photographers there. All it took is 1 frame to catch it out of what, a dozen photographers just constantly shooting photos. It's not that far fetched, someone got lucky.

Really doesn't much matter. A guy died and others were shot. Someone was shooting in the general vicinity where Trump was standing. It's an impossible thing to stage. The shooter most likely was staged and allowed to shoot, but there's no marksman that can hit a moving head and just clip the ear. It was a flat out assassination attempt of a former president even without the photo.
20   HeadSet   2024 Oct 26, 3:07pm  

RWSGFY says

They go up to 1/32K sec iirc. This is fast enough for a bullet.

No doubt that cameras can do 1/32k shutter speed, but why use that extreme setting unless one is expecting to catch a bullet? After all, such a setting with the corresponding ISO would add serious grain and degrade the picture, which it did.
21   Patrick   2024 Oct 26, 9:30pm  

The photo did not catch the bullet.

It just shows the mist of Trump's vaporized ear tissue. Much easier to photograph.
22   HeadSet   2024 Oct 27, 9:09am  

Patrick says

The photo did not catch the bullet.

It just shows the mist of Trump's vaporized ear tissue. Much easier to photograph.

This is the photo in question:


23   WookieMan   2024 Oct 27, 9:46am  

HeadSet says

This is the photo in question:

Does it matter about the photo? He was clearly shot. A person died and others were wounded. Someone was shooting a gun at him. Can't debunk it. It couldn't be staged. SS people resigned over it. That's an admission of guilt.

Shutter speed and all that shit doesn't matter. One dude is dead and others wounded. Anyone that thinks it was staged needs a lobotomy.
24   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 27, 11:01am  

HeadSet says


RWSGFY says


They go up to 1/32K sec iirc. This is fast enough for a bullet.

No doubt that cameras can do 1/32k shutter speed, but why use that extreme setting unless one is expecting to catch a bullet? After all, such a setting with the corresponding ISO would add serious grain and degrade the picture, which it did.



Easy: they want to go as granular as possible to catch that weird expression on people's faces which occur for a millisecond and not noticeable neither on video nor with naked eye. Photogs love to do it to politicians. That Tim Waltz pic where he looks like a deer in headlights is not the face he'd hold even for seconds. Or Kirby looking like he just shat his pants. Whatever "gotcha" pic of a pol or a celebrity you see it's all done in "sports" mode with a multi-frame burst. As for grainy pics: yes, it goes up with ISO, but again, the shit got sooo much better than in the film photography days, it's fucking amazing. What used to be a great trade-off (and still seared into minds of people who started on film) is not as big a deal anymore.
25   Tenpoundbass   2024 Oct 27, 11:30am  

The fact of the matter is, the people who parrot that it was staged. Don't believe that at all, and are just spreading propaganda to shit on Trump.
Fortunately the attempt on his life the day after Biden called for it. Turned a lot of Democrats off of the party. Not just Joe but the party. Then just weeks after that. The party then saw fit to install Kamala without any votes what so ever. That action alone solidified every tinfoil hat conspiracy that Trump supporters had been warning them about for the last 8 years. It made a lot of Democrats sick to their stomachs to realize they haven't seen the bottom of just how low the Elite Party members would go to hold onto power. They had been entertaining them, because they thought it was just Political trolling giving those MAGA supporters a rise, and driving them out of their minds. That is really how they saw all of the news. They wouldn't admit it was bullshit, because their pushing it was all part of the gaslighting.

Then for good measure they started calling the attempt staged and watched as the DOJ and Secret Service tried to whitewash the facts about all of the puzzling anomalies that came from that attempt. Everyone knows that's how Chavez, Stalin, Castro, Col Pots and the like came into power. They are starting to realize they are the useful Idiots that we have been telling them that they are.
26   HeadSet   2024 Oct 27, 1:20pm  

WookieMan says

Does it matter about the photo? He was clearly shot.

I am not saying it was staged. What I am saying is that the man who set up the camera used extreme settings as if he knew a bullet was coming.
27   HeadSet   2024 Oct 27, 1:23pm  

RWSGFY says

Easy: they want to go as granular as possible to catch that weird expression on people's faces which occur for a millisecond and not noticeable neither on video nor with naked eye.

Fine, but that can be done with 1/1000 shutter speeds and 40 fps. Setting the shutter to 1/32,000 is someone expecting a bullet.

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