The Secret To Ending Homelessness: Prison For Hard Drug Use
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2023 Jan 26, 7:43pm 1,354 views 13 comments
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WillyWanker
2023 Jan 27, 1:10am
WillyWanker
2023 Jan 27, 1:10am
The first thing is to stop referring to these people as 'homeless' and accept the fact that they are vagrants. Homelessness is the least of their problems. Alcoholism/drug addiction and mental health issues are what these people need to address. But the ACLU will not allow these vagrants to be locked up if they are insane and a danger to others and to themselves. The addicts refuse to get clean.
Spending money on trying to house them is a waste of time energy and funds.
Spending money on trying to house them is a waste of time energy and funds.
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Patrick
2023 Jun 25, 11:14am
Patrick
2023 Jun 25, 11:14am
https://notthebee.com/article/how-bad-is-the-homeless-problem-in-liberal-cities-bad-enough-to-map
Each marker is a homeless camp.
Each marker is a homeless camp.
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Patrick
2024 Jan 18, 6:54pm
Patrick
2024 Jan 18, 6:54pm
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/yet-again-the-better-we-get-at-harm
Yet again, the better we get at "harm reduction," the more people overdose and die
Four years ago, the Canadian province of British Columbia gave addicts legal access to fentanyl and other opioids, hoping to reduce hospitalizations and deaths. The results have been catastrophic.
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socal2
2024 Jan 18, 6:59pm
The US Supreme Court is finally reconsidering the infamous Martin v. Boise case that made it practically impossible to remove homeless from the streets.
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/supreme-court-ruling-prevents-homeless-people-ticketed-sleeping-outside-idaho-new-case-could-change-that/277-3566fd5f-37ae-4df1-b0d5-406ef1aca02c
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/supreme-court-ruling-prevents-homeless-people-ticketed-sleeping-outside-idaho-new-case-could-change-that/277-3566fd5f-37ae-4df1-b0d5-406ef1aca02c
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Jan 19, 9:41am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2024 Jan 19, 9:41am
I don't understand why spending money housing addicts and the poor in prison is a viable solution? Have we become that callous to homeless people that we can't even stand to see them in our world? Get used to it, because the way things are going, that population will keep getting bigger. In a central bank economy the weakest are pushed down until they wind up on the streets. Whatever happens to them on that journey, or once they find themselves destitute, I don't think that gives anyone a right to judge them. And certainly not to take away their God given right to freedom of movement(4th Amendment).
Obviously no one here has been in a 12 step. You don't force help on people who don't want it. It's pointless. If they want to over-dose, it's their life, leave them the fuck alone. Do you propose next to slap the bag of Big Mac's out of the hands of fat people? Maybe you want to force inject Vitamin C into everyone? Or other stuff..?
I'm a fan of 60 days in, never seen a jail that didn't have a HUGE drug problem. And the stuff in their is WAY worse. Look up what a roach is in jail, fucking nasty.
It's as if the people proposing this know nothing about the subject, and have put zero thought into the long-term repercussions.
You certainly have a lot more in common with the Scamdemic architects than you might want to admit...
Obviously no one here has been in a 12 step. You don't force help on people who don't want it. It's pointless. If they want to over-dose, it's their life, leave them the fuck alone. Do you propose next to slap the bag of Big Mac's out of the hands of fat people? Maybe you want to force inject Vitamin C into everyone? Or other stuff..?
I'm a fan of 60 days in, never seen a jail that didn't have a HUGE drug problem. And the stuff in their is WAY worse. Look up what a roach is in jail, fucking nasty.
It's as if the people proposing this know nothing about the subject, and have put zero thought into the long-term repercussions.
You certainly have a lot more in common with the Scamdemic architects than you might want to admit...
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RWSGFY
2024 Jan 19, 5:49pm
RWSGFY
2024 Jan 19, 5:49pm
Look at NB pushing liberal propaganda wrt "homeless are just folks who don't have enough money because Capitalism and central bank hurr durr".
LOL
Even NPR admits that 1/3 of them are illegals. The rest are addicts and/or mental (which, most of the time, is the same thing). Because no normal person would stay in an expensive area like Ess Eff and sleep in the rough when there are much cheaper places to live in this enormous country, getting there is cheap and unemployment is at fucking 4%.
LOL
Even NPR admits that 1/3 of them are illegals. The rest are addicts and/or mental (which, most of the time, is the same thing). Because no normal person would stay in an expensive area like Ess Eff and sleep in the rough when there are much cheaper places to live in this enormous country, getting there is cheap and unemployment is at fucking 4%.
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Bd6r
2024 Jan 19, 7:32pm
Bd6r
2024 Jan 19, 7:32pm
Alcohol prohibition worked out mightily well…
I do not know the solution but I do not see how complete prohibition or current attitude could work. Prohibition is enforced by the State and we know how efficient the State is in anything it does. BTW while a lot of druggies are losers/illegals/etc, in each recession I see on street corners the new homeless in relatively good clothes. Means that there is also an economic component to homelessness as @Nuttboxer says.
I do not know the solution but I do not see how complete prohibition or current attitude could work. Prohibition is enforced by the State and we know how efficient the State is in anything it does. BTW while a lot of druggies are losers/illegals/etc, in each recession I see on street corners the new homeless in relatively good clothes. Means that there is also an economic component to homelessness as @Nuttboxer says.
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Ceffer
2024 Dec 10, 10:19pm
Ceffer
2024 Dec 10, 10:19pm
Many homeless have places or relatives they can stay with if they were sober and not needing to stay close to their connection to drugs. Some homeless interviewed in LA came from middle and upper middle class homes, but they were on the street to maintain availability of drugs for their habits (also the weird lifestyle appealed).
Boz Skaggs' son died in a cheap tenderloin room in SF of an overdose at 21, and he could waltz over to Pac Heights to live if he weren't chronically addicted.
A woman who was homeless in Santa Cruz, but not a drug addict (she was only homeless a short time) said that she didn't meet anybody amongst the homeless outside of herself who didn't have some kind of substance abuse problem.
Shelters have the requirement of not smoking or using, but homeless beat and steal from each other for drug resources, even alcohol and cigarettes. The police reports in Santa Cruz are often about 'bum fights' between homeless. The homeless come and go from shelters because they can't take the rules about not smoking, drinking or using.
However, as we have seen in unaudited California, the homeless and their ersatz services are an extremely handy tool for laundering billions of dollars of tax money. They serve a purpose for the politicians robbing the constituency.
Politicians are also routinely bribed by the dealer networks, and many politicians (can you say Cartel Katie in Arizona?) are directly linked to dealer support. Of course, we know how the Intels, Royals etc. are hooked into the dealing and distributing networks. Drugs corrupt everything and everybody involved with them.
Boz Skaggs' son died in a cheap tenderloin room in SF of an overdose at 21, and he could waltz over to Pac Heights to live if he weren't chronically addicted.
A woman who was homeless in Santa Cruz, but not a drug addict (she was only homeless a short time) said that she didn't meet anybody amongst the homeless outside of herself who didn't have some kind of substance abuse problem.
Shelters have the requirement of not smoking or using, but homeless beat and steal from each other for drug resources, even alcohol and cigarettes. The police reports in Santa Cruz are often about 'bum fights' between homeless. The homeless come and go from shelters because they can't take the rules about not smoking, drinking or using.
However, as we have seen in unaudited California, the homeless and their ersatz services are an extremely handy tool for laundering billions of dollars of tax money. They serve a purpose for the politicians robbing the constituency.
Politicians are also routinely bribed by the dealer networks, and many politicians (can you say Cartel Katie in Arizona?) are directly linked to dealer support. Of course, we know how the Intels, Royals etc. are hooked into the dealing and distributing networks. Drugs corrupt everything and everybody involved with them.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2024 Dec 11, 6:54am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2024 Dec 11, 6:54am
I don’t know how I didn’t see this at the time…housing and services without enforcement do absolutely nothing. When combined with criminal enforcement, you can clear the streets.
Currently there’s zero enforcement in City of Los Angeles and it’s been that way since 2013 when that despicable asshole Eric Garcetti took office.
So the Dems keep more and more money running through the Gov and their “partnerships” while the homeless encampments continue on.
At this point, anyone who thinks that housing plus services will make a dent in the number of homeless is an absolute fucking moron. Completely naive. You can see the results of that visable and if you are one of the ostriches that refuses to see, I can drive you to a few hundred homeless encampments in and around City of LA and then drive you to bordering cities that have none.
Currently there’s zero enforcement in City of Los Angeles and it’s been that way since 2013 when that despicable asshole Eric Garcetti took office.
So the Dems keep more and more money running through the Gov and their “partnerships” while the homeless encampments continue on.
At this point, anyone who thinks that housing plus services will make a dent in the number of homeless is an absolute fucking moron. Completely naive. You can see the results of that visable and if you are one of the ostriches that refuses to see, I can drive you to a few hundred homeless encampments in and around City of LA and then drive you to bordering cities that have none.
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Ceffer
2024 Dec 11, 10:33am
Ceffer
2024 Dec 11, 10:33am
SF cleaned up the homeless overnight for Emperor Xi's entourage. Some even speculate that they disposed of some of them with extreme prejudice (CCP style), but where they put the bodies is anybody's guess. It was a very strange operation and interlude, without a lot of publicity. It is speculated that Newsom was trying to sell California to Xi in some manner, and that a plan was somewhere afoot to remove California from the Republic to become an independent country (under Chinese auspices?). Main streets in downtown SF were lined with Chinese flags.
So, obviously homeless are allowed to proliferate both because they are good customers for the anointed drug dealers (and good provenders for bribed politicians) and they seriously demoralize and partially paralyze the larger society, which is an end in itself for the subversives.
Drug addiction and alcoholism tend to be 95 percent to 98 percent fatal, with a long intervening period of live deterioration and zombification, depending on how sturdy the victims are and how much access they have to effective medical care. Unfortunately, the extremely high recidivism rate makes any rehabilitation fantasy a very low yield process. Cost effectiveness of financed rehab is dubious, except to create another tax sucking, self promoting bureaucracy with virtue signaling handles.
Addicts and alkies can't be effectively marshaled as combatant units, so the subversives use them to profit from drug sales, as local crime squads and intermediaries when they are vertical and in more passive aggressive ways to undermine society (or, as we see, launder tax money).
So, obviously homeless are allowed to proliferate both because they are good customers for the anointed drug dealers (and good provenders for bribed politicians) and they seriously demoralize and partially paralyze the larger society, which is an end in itself for the subversives.
Drug addiction and alcoholism tend to be 95 percent to 98 percent fatal, with a long intervening period of live deterioration and zombification, depending on how sturdy the victims are and how much access they have to effective medical care. Unfortunately, the extremely high recidivism rate makes any rehabilitation fantasy a very low yield process. Cost effectiveness of financed rehab is dubious, except to create another tax sucking, self promoting bureaucracy with virtue signaling handles.
Addicts and alkies can't be effectively marshaled as combatant units, so the subversives use them to profit from drug sales, as local crime squads and intermediaries when they are vertical and in more passive aggressive ways to undermine society (or, as we see, launder tax money).
Prison is the secret to ending homelessness.
All guards who sneak drugs into prison must themselves immediately be tried and imprisoned themselves.