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would you listen to arabic music and enjoy it? no, because you aren’t arab. mexican? no, you didn’t grow up on that. country is same, you didn’t grow up on it, of course you won’t like it. if you don’t live in a country through the country struggles, you can’t relate.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

if you don’t live in a country through the country struggles, you can’t relate.

You're making my point... Not one of those musicians is struggling. They're bitching and whining with lyrics that are god awful and can't play an instrument.

I love Mexican and Caribbean music (SOCA). Substantially more creative and well played than country artists. I listen to the musicians not the lyrics. Anyone can write and even play a country song in a day. Even if they don't know how to play any instrument.

All the songs you hear are all hired backing musicians as well. The lead singer is just a face and the producers do all the work.

My wife's cousin was an LA music producer of some sort. From her, I learned that country is by far the most popular and profitable genre in the US.

Patrick says

My wife's cousin was an LA music producer of some sort. From her, I learned that country is by far the most popular and profitable genre in the US.

Doesn't mean it's good music. It's sold to women and desperate men that want to find a woman at a bar or on the dance floor. Put their boots on acting like they're tough.

As a musician I have no respect for the genera. If you don't play, you don't know how bad it is. People can like it, fine, but they really don't know how bad it is. Good Bluegrass is the only "country" I'll give credit to.

Playing the same chords for 2-3 minutes with cheesy lyrics and a guitar solo a 4th grader could play is stupid.

I listened to only rock and metal as a teenager. Except for what I otherwise was forced to listen to by my parents as a captive.

In the mid 90’s my buddy who joined the army right after high school returned to live at his moms and go to college. He was stationed in Texas and picked up country music. I started seriously listening in the late 90’s and have ever since. Along the way I picked up older stuff like Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kiristopherson, and Hank Williams Jr. And then more and more. I got a Sirius subscription last January. I started listening to Outlaw Country (mostly non main stream country) and Willies Roadhouse(Willie Nelson curated mostly pre 1970’s). It’s truly grand. I can’t wait to retire in a few more years, have a balcony or patio, sit out there for a few hours with a bourbon, a cigar, and outlaw country playing. I don’t really see how I’d ever get tired of that.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t really see how I’d ever get tired of that.

Do you play an instrument? Not digging at you at all, but it's miserable to watch or listen to live. They don't know what they're doing. I don't like studio albums because I know how they're made. 3 of them under the belt myself. They can't play live.

I was looking forward to hang with friends last night and it was just awful. I left after two songs. I went to a show with multiple country artists at the Ryman in Nashville and that was unbearable. I fell asleep. So I guess maybe it's good for that.

I've never been into lyrics or some stupid story they're trying to tell. I'm into musicians not words. Anyone here can write lyrics. Not everyone can play an instrument well. Country is notoriously bad for that live.

There is a group called Enigma. They are very popular in many countries, over decades. Their composition, Sadeness, is popular all over the world and yet most people don't understand a single world from the lyrics.

Yanni is popular all over the world. All music, no lyrics.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

would you listen to arabic music and enjoy it? no, because you aren’t arab.

Dabke, is a form of Lebanese dance performance; music is very catchy. I am not an Arab.

WookieMan says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t really see how I’d ever get tired of that.

Do you play an instrument? Not digging at you at all, but it's miserable to watch or listen to live. They don't know what they're doing. I don't like studio albums because I know how they're made. 3 of them under the belt myself. They can't play live.

I was looking forward to hang with friends last night and it was just awful. I left after two songs. I went to a show with multiple country artists at the Ryman in Nashville and that was unbearable. I fell asleep. So I guess maybe it's good for that.

I've never been into lyrics or some stupid story they're trying to tell. I'm into musicians not words. Anyone here can write lyrics. Not everyone can play an instrument well. Country is notoriously bad for that live.

Not a musician. Played piano and bass as a kid and teenager. Never was going to be my thing. I have a feeling that we look at music differently and are focused on different things as far as that goes.

Modern country music the past 20 years has been pure shit. But Country music before 2000 was damn good music. Like all genres, Liberals and Millennials ruined it. But to their defense, it must be hard to make good art when you're being sexually and mentally exploited by Boomer producers.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I have a feeling that we look at music differently and are focused on different things as far as that goes.

Like I said, not a knock on you, I just can't stand country for whatever reason. I don't think they're good musicians. Well I kind of know they aren't. I can play 90% of their music on all 3 instruments. Drums, bass and guitar. Can I sing, hell no, but that's not what I listen to.

If I could get tracks before vocals I'd listen to that more than anything if it was good. 3-6 people working together to make something good is a hard task. Vocals and lyrics are easy. It's writing about how you feels. I appreciate a good voice, but no one really has one without the studio or auto tuning live. I sure as shit don't.

WookieMan says

I appreciate a good voice, but no one really has one without the studio or auto tuning live.

Or a 15th century chapel. .The architecture refracts and reverberates, in fact many of the early effects in modern recorded music. Was to reproduce that sound. It's why the selections on a reverb has like Room, Hall, and Cavern. Slapback delay from the sound echoing off the stone walls.

Tenpoundbass says

Slapback delay from the sound echoing off the stone walls.

Classic is Bonham drumming for When the Levy Breaks. Too lazy to look it up, but recall that was recorded in a stairwell or small concrete room. No effects. 2 mics or something like that. Music has become over processed at this point. People like it but don't watch is live generally or are drunk/high when they do and don't realize how bad it is live.

I don't know how it is where you are. But one thing I have noticed in the past several years. Bars and venues don't hire bands anymore.
But when they do, or those that still do. They are freaking awesome. Bands today are required to do about three 45 minute sets or longer. And each set will be a different genre. Usually Heavy Metal and big hair band music. Then 80's pop music, then finish out the night with a current Rock and top 40 music set.
Also the effects live bands has now is way beyond anything a bar band ever had. They have shit that rivals touring bands.
They have band in a box. Which has all of the effects, for each track that the song they are covering had on the album, even for the vocals.
Also say the band is a three piece and the song has prominent Synth, Keyboard, and percussion instruments, that the Drummer can't play because he's busy with the drum kit parts. Those tracks are also included. So a three piece band can get up there and sound as full as the five piece band that recorded it.

It's pretty good, and it brings up the quality of the majority of the bar bands out there. But it also leaves one for the desire for those 3 piece bands that are raw unadulterated power and dynamics without all that. As they are all expected to have a big sound now. That's why they can do those three sets of different Genres. rather than 3 sets of a trio playing power chords and blues.

I have to agree. I do like some of the older country tunes, but you're right about it all sounding the same for the past few decades. All the instruments are tuned identically and they somehow find people who sing identically. It's like an industry algorithm doesn't consider it country music anymore unless it fits that form exactly.

There's a famous quote: "90% of everything is shit."

I think that's true of country music as well, but the other 10% can be really good.

Place your bets, how many beers would it take to get WookieMan to start belting out verses of "Country Roads" with the boys?

Patrick says

I think that's true of country music as well, but the other 10% can be really good.

I'm still looking for the 10% of rap music that is good.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I started seriously listening in the late 90’s and have ever since.

I quit at 1990 when it turned into pop crap, i.e., boot-scoot-boogie. Five years later I moved back to CA and never heard it. Now back in Texas and I don't listen to it, unless it's pre-90 where I agree the older stuff is great.

I'm not sure if they do them any more but 4th of July picnics at Luckenbach Texas were pretty awesome. I saw Waylon at one of those. Willie has some huge forearms, like Popeye. At least 25 years ago he did. Nowadays I hear he lives off of soft scrambled eggs.

Half of the crowd were shit kickers and the other half punk.

I don't care for country music much either.
I hear it in restaurants all over Palm Beach County however.
I suppose in Florida you shouldn't forget you are in the South.
Off the subject, a fictitious title of a Country song: "How can I miss you if you won't go away?"