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socal2 says

You mean when they made a deal with the Nazis to carve up Poland and they got double crossed? Were the Commies some sort of victim in WWII? Not exactly a great example to excuse Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine.

Nobody said commies were innocent victims. My point is that even though Hiler and Stalin were good buddies (divided Poland and shook hands in the middle, had the Luftwaffe train in Russia before WW2, plus a non-aggression pact), Hitler still invaded Russia. Lesson for the Russians - when anyone from the West says they will not invade, even a supposed ally, don't believe them.

Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered as well as being the head of intelligence and the mafia. Not the issue. The West provoked the war by trying to bring Ukraine into NATO.

If the West were to declare Taiwan and independent nation, give it a seat in the UN, then push to form alliances outside of China, would that not provoke an invasion? Rightly or wrongly, China would consider such actions to be an attack on its territorial integrity.

socal2 says

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer

^^^ perfect example of delusional cope right there.

If anything shows that our MIC is a mercenary army under the heel of the Brits..... Foreign secret agent man Blinken admitted that US was arming Ukraine many months before the conflict broke out. Another planned conflict.



https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/

HeadSet says

"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."

You are confusing Putin with Joe Biden.
How many times did Biden's Globalist Nazis try to assassinate Trump? Three? Four? Five times? How many?

The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."

You are confusing Putin with Joe Biden.
How many times did Biden's Globalist Nazis try to assassinate Trump? Three? Four? Five times? How many?

No confusion at all, Biden is no angel either.

socal2 says

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer nations next door

Even Trump gets what socal2 cannot:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/unconditional-saturday-january-11

One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.

It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths. It tells you everything you need to know about progressivism. (Plus, I’m old enough to remember back when the left swooned over Russia and wanted to marry it. The irony.)

Even here on C&C, there are (were?) at least two (one?) reader accounts that loudly and regularly reinforced these oversimplified narratives in the comments. But on Tuesday, President Trump just shattered all the progressive permission structures and narrative is in a shambles.

Here’s what Trump told the seemingly unsurprised reporters:

"For many, many years, long before Putin, Russia said you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. That’s been, like, written in stone.
It was always understood. They had a deal, and then Biden broke it. Somewhere along the line, Biden said no. They should be able to join NATO. They had a deal that would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But then Biden said no, you have to be able to join NATO.
Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep. And I can understand their feelings about that."

For many, many years, long before Putin, Russia said you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. That’s been, like, written in stone.
It was always understood. They had a deal, and then Biden broke it. Somewhere along the line, Biden said no. They should be able to join NATO. They had a deal that would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But then Biden said no, you have to be able to join NATO.
Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep. And I can understand their feelings about that.

In other words, Trump wadded up the insane narrative of “unprovoked Russian aggression” and tossed it into the shredder. It’s gone, never to return. Russia was provoked. And Russia’s reaction was understandable. None of the reporters challenged him. The geopolitical significance of this one tiny, official admission of truth cannot be overstated.

Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He was doing diplomacy.

Obviously, the folks listening most intently to Trump’s comments were the Russians and the Ukrainians. Until this week, the Russians never heard a scrap of sympathy from the United States government. Not from Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Austin, Nuland — none of them excreted a single ounce of diplomacy, never allowing for even a hint of legitimacy in Russia’s concern about NATO’s eastward expansion.

Instead, Team Biden was all about blamesmanship, passive-aggressive sabotage (e.g., Nordstream bombing), and childlike escalation (i.e., “he’s making me touch him!”).

The worst part is that the Ukrainians never even wanted to join NATO. A well-accepted but officially unconfirmed story says Britain’s former Prime Minister Boris Johnson went to Kiev right before the Ukrainians signed a peace deal with Russia in 2022. Johnson talked the Ukrainians into breaking off negotiations, probably by promising them every weapon in the NATO arsenal. That’s the ‘deal’ Trump referred to.

President Trump also shattered another narrative construct, merely by acknowledging another obvious truth, which was that Biden’s brinksmanship could be catastrophic.

Getting ass fucked by karma?

https://t.me/TheIslanderNews/30873

Patrick says

One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.

It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths.

^^^^ @socal2, this is for you.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Patrick says

One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.

It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths.

^^^^ socal2, this is for you.

It's all been stupid. I don't care what side. Totally unnecessary. My only take is if Russia is such a wealthy nation, just buy the Donbass from Ukraine. Kershon and whatever the other territory is on the way to Crimea. I mean come on, you don't think Ukraine would take the money?

This is one of the dumbest wars ever and we shouldn't fund another dollar.

well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it. and it’s not going as planned, because our uniparty politicians are vomiting insults out of frustration.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it

Who is we though? No one wants this war. I don't want a penny going to this thing. I don't care what side. Europe needs to grow the fuck up and manage their shit. Doing tax prep and I'm pissed. There is nothing that benefits me living in the US with this war. Literally nothing. Shit, they should be paying us. Both countries.

WookieMan says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it

Who is we though? No one wants this war. I don't want a penny going to this thing. I don't care what side. Europe needs to grow the fuck up and manage their shit. Doing tax prep and I'm pissed. There is nothing that benefits me living in the US with this war. Literally nothing. Shit, they should be paying us. Both countries.

you and I didn’t ask for this war. but our intel agencies wanted it, worked hard for military industrial complex. they are our government our representatives, so “us” in that sense. “our Democracy”.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it. and it’s not going as planned, because our uniparty politicians are vomiting insults out of frustration.

Implying Putin and Russia have no agency and absolutely no free will in all of this? Same way many treat Islamists.....always blaming the West.

Why was Putin dumb enough to fall into the trap?

If Putin had a crystal ball and could see he would be starting his 4th year of grinding trench warfare with hundreds of thousands of Russian casualties, do you still think he would have chosen to invade? This whole war has been nothing but a major drag and detriment to Russia's quality of life and is accelerating their demographic doom loop by getting so many of their young men dead.

It is not like Ukraine is passing on generous ceasefire proposals made by Putin. Putin hasn't stepped down from his maximal demands, which means the Ukrainians defenders are fighting for their lives. If they surrender, most of Ukrainian civilian and military leadership will end up dead or in a Russian gulag being raped by drunk Russian primitives for the rest of their short lives.

So it is pretty pathetic to read all these American homos sitting comfortably on their couches hectoring Ukrainians who are trying to protect their friends, families and homes.

socal2's posts are always so much fun to read. I just love statements like this:

socal2 says

Putin hasn't stepped down from his maximal demands, which means the Ukrainians defenders are fighting for their lives. If they surrender, most of Ukrainian civilian and military leadership will end up dead or in a Russian gulag being raped by drunk Russian primitives for the rest of their short lives.

It's just too bad that Putin won't back off from his 'maximal demands,' give up all the conquered territory, give Crimea to Ukraine, pay war reparations, encourage Ukraine to join NATO and then put a gun to his nation's head and pull the trigger. Why, oh why, can't Putin just do the right thing?

And those nasty rape crazy drunk Russians are so primitive. It's just terrible. Let us all just hope real, real hard that the Sainted Comedian and his fellow, non-corruptible Ukrainian patriots continue to get all of the countless BILLIONS in funds that they so desperately need in order to carry on the 'fight' (for maybe the next 20 years). Hang on Ukraine. Victory is just around the corner and socal2 is cheering you on every bloody step of the way.

RayAmerica says

It's just too bad that Putin won't back off from his 'maximal demands,' give up all the conquered territory, give Crimea to Ukraine, pay war reparations, encourage Ukraine to join NATO and then put a gun to his nation's head and pull the trigger. Why, oh why, can't Putin just do the right thing?

Russians can just go home and stop getting their young men killed in their total fuckup of a war. Yes, Russia's vaunted pride might be hurt that they totally fucked up their invasion and embarrassed themselves to the whole world with their incompetence and corruption - but Russia is not going to face an existential threat of a foreign adversary will try to invade or take their resources.

Whereas, Ukraine hasn't been given any off-ramp to stop defending themselves from Russian invaders. And the short-bus people can't seem to understand why Ukraine won't just roll over a die.

socal2 says

Russians getting their young men killed in their total fuckup of a war.

It's called the Ukraine War. Not the Russian War.

And the only fuckup of a war is on the Ukey side. And they are out of men, but Russia is not.

Last: YOUR OPINION on what is or isn't too high a price for Russian attrition doesn't mean shit. Russia's opinion is.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 says

Russians getting their young men killed in their total fuckup of a war.

It's called the Ukraine War. Not the Russian War.

And the only fuckup of a war is on the Ukey side. And they are out of men, but Russia is not.

It started as Ukraine war because it was only Ukraine being invaded and bombed. But now Ukie bombard Soviet ports, refineries, power stations, strategic nuclear installations and such as far north as Murmansk and beyond Urals mountains to the west and ZSU regulars are holding former Soviet territory of Kursk for half a year already, lampshading Pukin's subjects and making soap out of their fat, and there is nothing Pukin can do about it. Not even with NoKo troops thrown in. Why? Because Pukin don't have enough men. Why? Because Red Army is losing men 5 to 1. Not my number, mind you, but Trump's adviser's - Lt. Gen. Kellogg. So it's Russia war now and the fuckup on their side is getting bigger and bigger every day.

RWSGFY says

So it's Russia war now and the fuckup on their side is getting bigger and bigger every day.

I'll beat the horse dead. Russia could have just bought the land. This is dumber than Iraq and Afghanistan and we at least took control of the countries immediately.

These are WWI tactics. Or just go back to our civil war and just line everyone up in the open and start shooting each other with rifles and shitty artillery.

Patrick says

He's holding out for more donuts and coffee. LOTS more.