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And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer
"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."
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"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."
You are confusing Putin with Joe Biden.
How many times did Biden's Globalist Nazis try to assassinate Trump? Three? Four? Five times? How many?
And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer nations next door
One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.
It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths. It tells you everything you need to know about progressivism. (Plus, I’m old enough to remember back when the left swooned over Russia and wanted to marry it. The irony.)
Even here on C&C, there are (were?) at least two (one?) reader accounts that loudly and regularly reinforced these oversimplified narratives in the comments. But on Tuesday, President Trump just shattered all the progressive permission structures and narrative is in a shambles.
Here’s what Trump told the seemingly unsurprised reporters:
"For many, many years, long before Putin, Russia said you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. That’s been, like, written in stone.
It was always understood. They had a deal, and then Biden broke it. Somewhere along the line, Biden said no. They should be able to join NATO. They had a deal that would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But then Biden said no, you have to be able to join NATO.
Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep. And I can understand their feelings about that."
For many, many years, long before Putin, Russia said you could never have NATO involved with Ukraine. That’s been, like, written in stone.
It was always understood. They had a deal, and then Biden broke it. Somewhere along the line, Biden said no. They should be able to join NATO. They had a deal that would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else. But then Biden said no, you have to be able to join NATO.
Well, then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep. And I can understand their feelings about that.
In other words, Trump wadded up the insane narrative of “unprovoked Russian aggression” and tossed it into the shredder. It’s gone, never to return. Russia was provoked. And Russia’s reaction was understandable. None of the reporters challenged him. The geopolitical significance of this one tiny, official admission of truth cannot be overstated.
Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He was doing diplomacy.
Obviously, the folks listening most intently to Trump’s comments were the Russians and the Ukrainians. Until this week, the Russians never heard a scrap of sympathy from the United States government. Not from Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Austin, Nuland — none of them excreted a single ounce of diplomacy, never allowing for even a hint of legitimacy in Russia’s concern about NATO’s eastward expansion.
Instead, Team Biden was all about blamesmanship, passive-aggressive sabotage (e.g., Nordstream bombing), and childlike escalation (i.e., “he’s making me touch him!”).
The worst part is that the Ukrainians never even wanted to join NATO. A well-accepted but officially unconfirmed story says Britain’s former Prime Minister Boris Johnson went to Kiev right before the Ukrainians signed a peace deal with Russia in 2022. Johnson talked the Ukrainians into breaking off negotiations, probably by promising them every weapon in the NATO arsenal. That’s the ‘deal’ Trump referred to.
President Trump also shattered another narrative construct, merely by acknowledging another obvious truth, which was that Biden’s brinksmanship could be catastrophic.
One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.
It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths.
Patrick says
One of the dumbest narratives we’ve been forced to tolerate for years, on pain of cancelation, until our brains bled, were the moronically oversimplified claims that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, Putin is a dictatorial madman, and my personal favorite, Russia hates democracy.
It’s simply marvelous how unquestioningly arrogant progressive elitists adopted these stupid slogans as if they were scientific truths.
^^^^ socal2, this is for you.
well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it
Who is we though? No one wants this war. I don't want a penny going to this thing. I don't care what side. Europe needs to grow the fuck up and manage their shit. Doing tax prep and I'm pissed. There is nothing that benefits me living in the US with this war. Literally nothing. Shit, they should be paying us. Both countries.
well wookiee, we wanted this war, we created it. and it’s not going as planned, because our uniparty politicians are vomiting insults out of frustration.
Putin hasn't stepped down from his maximal demands, which means the Ukrainians defenders are fighting for their lives. If they surrender, most of Ukrainian civilian and military leadership will end up dead or in a Russian gulag being raped by drunk Russian primitives for the rest of their short lives.
It's just too bad that Putin won't back off from his 'maximal demands,' give up all the conquered territory, give Crimea to Ukraine, pay war reparations, encourage Ukraine to join NATO and then put a gun to his nation's head and pull the trigger. Why, oh why, can't Putin just do the right thing?
Russians getting their young men killed in their total fuckup of a war.
socal2 says
Russians getting their young men killed in their total fuckup of a war.
It's called the Ukraine War. Not the Russian War.
And the only fuckup of a war is on the Ukey side. And they are out of men, but Russia is not.
So it's Russia war now and the fuckup on their side is getting bigger and bigger every day.
It started as Ukraine war because it was only Ukraine being invaded and bombed. But now Ukie bombard Soviet ports, refineries, power stations, strategic nuclear installations and such as far north as Murmansk and beyond Urals mountains to the west and ZSU regulars are holding former Soviet territory of Kursk for half a year already, lampshading Pukin's subjects and making soap out of their fat, and there is nothing Pukin can do about it. Not even with NoKo troops thrown in. Why? Because Pukin don't have enough men. Why? Because Red Army is losing men 5 to 1. Not my number, mind you, but Trump's adviser's - Lt. Gen. Kellogg. So it's Russia war now and the fuckup on their side is getting bigger and bigger every day.
Defying all political calculus, President Trump issued an “immediate, widespread pause on foreign aid.” Meaning, or especially, Ukraine. Only Israel and Egypt were exempt.
Without even explaining himself.
How could we forget how urgently the progressives and even many hawkish Republicans felt about “supporting Ukraine.” Slava Ukraini! We stand with Ukraine! Welp, yesterday President Trump cut Ukraine’s money and weapons spigot off at the tap, and you probably never even heard about it.
Had any other President cut off aid to Ukraine like this, without first lobbying for support, all amidst contentious hearings over his Cabinet nominations, a war would have broken out in Congress. Had Trump miscalculated, the Senate could have locked down his Cabinet nominees tighter than the velcro on Zelensky’s wallet, until Trump agreed to free up Ukraine’s aid.
Consider the same dynamic, but more broadly. Trump is making all of these controversial moves right when he needs Congress the most. Not just on Ukraine aid, but all of it, Fauci, California, DEI, the works.
In other words, these last 100 hours would have been far too risky, if not politically impossible, for any president besides President Trump. Any other president would have prudently taken the minimum possible political risk before — at least until his nominees were confirmed.
But Trump is a rare type of muscular President, in total command of his team.
Clearly, Republicans in Congress are willing to follow where Trump is leading them despite the shared political risk—which is the best evidence of real leadership.
Some of the obvious traps are avoidable. For instance: seeking further injury to Russia as a way of ending the stupid Ukraine war — started by us in 2014, thanks a lot Victoria Nuland & Company — since both the US and Russia are just about unconditionally desirous of stopping the damn thing as soon as possible. It’s had no benefit for anybody but the Raytheon war lobby and the Zelensky regime’s legion of grifters. Mr. Trump’s recent tough talk has been entirely for show, just a mass of rhetorical lube to un-stick the lingering “Joe Biden” stasis in that sad-sack corner of the world.
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