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Someone please tell me why Obama was chosen a DNC candidate. I’m being serious here. Though affirmative action jokes in the response are welcomed.

staynumz says

Wow, when did the race issue come up? If it is because of the chimp comment, isnt that what we have been calling presidents for the last 9 years? I have heard more than a few “intellectuals” here call boosh a chimp. Wait a minute, you are not thinking chimp because your pres is half black, are you? That is disgusting. I cant believe you libs even think that way. What racist you are.

There's only been two presidents in the last 9 years, and I've not heard Bush referred to as a chimp. You're trying to hide behind humor, and it's not funny.

So far as why they chose Palin, I think they figured she was pretty, would shut up and stand for "family values" without being a problem.

Obama was chosen as a candidate because of his popularity with the people of the US. The DNC didn't choose him, if they had they'd have chosen someone who went to Harvard or Yale and knew the handshake.

staynumz says

And yes, owebama can finish a sentence. Thats great. I just wish that sentance would not end with 14 trillion in dept. And that is BEFORE his so called health care bill. WOW.

I'm all for a balanced budget too. But let's put the blame where it belongs. The reason we have a huge deficit right now is because of Bush. End of story. When he took office, we had a budget surplus. When he left office we had an economoy in shambles and a budget deficit that was only rivaled by Reagan.

Tenouncetrout says

No Clarence but we defend your right to call him one. This is Americer aint it?

Yes, it is...doesnt make it right though.

I watched the Oprah-Palin interview last night and I saw her family being attacked, degraded and judged based on her articulation of the issues. She is not a bad person, nor do I think she would be any worse than Obama in comparison to experience. The only difference is that Obama knows how to articulate and frame the issues properly. She cleared up a lot for me with this interview.

I have been called **** many times throughout each of the past 6 decades, so each of you should understand why I stand up against the name calling and lack of empathy you show for human conditions, especially amongst the poor people.

While reading these threads I realized that many of you are poor people, excited about purchases of homes valued at 170K and I am having a hard time understanding how it is that no empathy is shown for those that have far less than you.

staynumz says

What a convenient memory you have. I have read that boosh was a chimp many times in this forum alone. Google bush-chimp. You will see it in plain as day. I didnt start the game, but I am free to play it. If you have race issues, please dont put them on me.
And yes, owebama can finish a sentence. Thats great. I just wish that sentance would not end with 14 trillion in dept. And that is BEFORE his so called health care bill. WOW.

We have empathy issues, most here seem satisfied with name calling and ignoring the plight of poor people. We are all engaging in dialogue that sometimes seems to go deep into bitterness/frustration and results in negative commentary.

Your exactly right about that...we need less government and to bring manufacturing back to the US.

elliemae says

I’ve not heard Bush referred to as a chimp.

lol .. really?
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+as+a+chimp&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en
There's like a whole picture series of matching pitures of monkey and bush and libs loved it, and they are darn funny pictures. Having a half-white prez with features that match a monkey's is no different in my opinion. Funny is funny.

and racist is racist ...... nobody on this planet uses the N-word in conversational reference to one-another more than male *****'s between 13 and 33. And the B-word, and the MF-word. Nobody. The lack of vocabulary comes from a lack of intellect comes from a lack of parenting comes from a lack of accountablity comes from liberal programs.

$170K is fine with me, and $1.3M don't make you any more of a man. I pity you.

I am not taking shots at your dignity, just trying to show you that talking down or name calling gets us nowhere. I am happy that you are able to grow your family, but now you should see why empathy is needed when articulating our viewpoints.

I agree, black on black hatred is very prevalent and I have zero tolerance for anyone black man who engages in stupidity (Mostly Rappers and their empathizers). Thugism is very dominant in society today amongst all youth, with all the opportunity out here their fate is in their very own hands.

I am not asking you to empathize with the thugs of the world, only the hard working people that need our assistance.

Clarence 13X says

While reading these threads I realized that many of you are poor people, excited about purchases of homes valued at 170K and I am having a hard time understanding how it is that no empathy is shown for those that have far less than you.

Clarence two things, I make good money but I am smart enough to realize that, that alone does not make me wealthy. I could be shopping for a 500K spread, based on what I make now, but what I make now, wont get me through 3 months of cracking a monthly nut that big, if say I was layed off for a spell. More over a house valued at 180K is not a bad house at all, certainly nothing to baulk at.
A house on MLK bvld. for 180K how ever is a travesty. An out rage.

That outrages me, more over the audacity that our government would allow homes in communities with a very low median income be artificially inflated to out of reach hope or dreams of those residents that typically reside in those communities. Now I have ranted an earnest tome on this topic many times in the old version of this forum.

This doesn't upset me because I think it is to much to live in that neck of the woods. I can put my own situation aside, as all things considered I am better off than those folks I know it. It out rages me to no end, that our government would have those people live on the streets. Allow the banks to snooker Big Mama, into taking out 180K HELOC against a home everyone in the said city knows damn well is only typically worth 30K in a good economy. She looses the house so does all of the other adults living with her and their children. It then puts an unnecessary burden on the communities to cope with this displacement. I know my family would probably recover quicker than that family.

But for the Real Estate racket that is a must evil they must accomplish. They can't make that crappy ranch house in need of a roof and a drive way worth 359K in Burbdale while cheap 30K houses are in the same city to be had.

We're in this together Clarence, we're being Eph'd in the "A" by the Man and the man at this point history doesn't have a color, nor a nationality, it has a corporate logo.

When will you learn we're not your enemy, we're your cell mates in this Rat Race?

Bap33 says

elliemae says

The lack of vocabulary comes from a lack of intellect comes from a lack of parenting comes from a lack of accountablity comes from liberal programs.

Exactly, poor parenting is the root of all our troubles. Parents are being enabled to raise kids with ignorant mindsets.

Tenouncetrout says

Clarence 13X says

While reading these threads I realized that many of you are poor people, excited about purchases of homes valued at 170K and I am having a hard time understanding how it is that no empathy is shown for those that have far less than you.

Clarence two things, I make good money but I am smart enough to realize that, that alone does not make me wealthy. I could be shopping for a 500K spread, based on what I make now, but what I make now, wont get me through 3 months of cracking a monthly nut that big, if say I was layed off for a spell. More over a house valued at 180K is not a bad house at all, certainly nothing to baulk at.
A house on MLK bvld. for 180K how ever is a travesty. An out rage.
That outrages me, more over the audacity that our government would allow homes in communities with a very low median income be artificially inflated to out of reach hope or dreams of those residents that typically reside in those communities. Now I have ranted an earnest tome on this topic many times in the old version of this forum.
This doesn’t upset me because I think it is to much to live in that neck of the woods. I can put my own situation aside, as all things considered I am better off than those folks I know it. It out rages me to no end, that our government would have those people live on the streets. Allow the banks to snooker Big Mama, into taking out 180K HELOC against a home everyone in the said city knows damn well is only typically worth 30K in a good economy. She looses the house so does all of the other adults living with her and their children. It then puts an unnecessary burden on the communities to cope with this displacement. I know my family would probably recover quicker than that family.
But for the Real Estate racket that is a must evil they must accomplish. They can’t make that crappy ranch house in need of a roof and a drive way worth 359K in Burbdale while cheap 30K houses are in the same city to be had.
We’re in this together Clarence, we’re being Eph’d in the “A” by the Man and the man at his point history doesn’t have a color, nor a nationality, it has a corporate logo.
When will you learn we’re not your enemy, we’re your cell mates in this Rat Race?

I agree, but sometiimes we have to hold those accountable when they make statements that show no empathy. If I were to post every other word calling people "blonde hair, blue eyed devils" then you have the right to challenge me for my stupidity and as a racist. Now, if I am refuting someones statements whereby that person is agressively name calling then that makes me a defender of doing the right thing. I remember we used to talk about the "man" in hypothetical terms when referencing whites in power, but the past 20 years I think we have moved past that point and the "man" refers to the government and its policies which do not take the best interest of all people into account. There are lazy, undriven people in all cultures but I do not refer to them as "monkies" or "chimps" or ******. When I see those comments I feel the need to challenge you and others to do better.

Regarding my comment on BAP purchase at 170K, I encourage him or her to move forward within the price range that you can afford. At a young age, I do not expect anyone to be able to purchase a 10 million chateau in France...unless you are a Hilton. I see this is a sound investment, the timing may be about 2 years off but if he or she is willing to spend the next 10 years in the home of their choice then it makes sense. I made this agressive statement to show just how stupid it is to look down on poor people, because compared to Oprah we are all living in poverty. Sticking together means showing empathy for others situation, doing what we can to uplift and not tearing down others with out comments. My point with that statement was that we cannot go around looking down on poor people because in the end their is always someone operating at a higher level than us....including myself.

There is no difference in lifestyle between a man that buys at 170K and a man that buys at 1.5 million. It all depends on your supporting cast within your family, so you may have a much better family life at 170K.

Money does not dictate your lifes value, it only adds to your ability to enjoy life if you let it.

Clarence 13X says

I agree, but sometiimes we have to hold those accountable when they make statements that show no empathy. If I were to post every other word calling people “blonde hair, blue eyed devils” then you have the right to challenge me for my stupidity and as a racist.

Clarence I'd much rather you call me "Cracker" or what ever other word you see fit to call me, than feel like their is some law that says you can't. Which coincidentally for you there isn't.

Tenouncetrout says

Clarence 13X says

I agree, but sometiimes we have to hold those accountable when they make statements that show no empathy. If I were to post every other word calling people “blonde hair, blue eyed devils” then you have the right to challenge me for my stupidity and as a racist.

Clarence I’d much rather you call me “Cracker” or what ever other word you see fit to call me, than feel like their is some law that says you can’t. Which coincidentally for you there isn’t.

This is where your wrong, we must always refute stupidity, immoral behavior and lack of compassion in any form. I believe in freedom of speech with responsibility.....not that I am promoting a dictatorial society either. I definitely get your point that we do not want some extreme environment where we cant speak our minds. We actually believed this stupidity back in the 1960's. We convinced ourselves that whites were devils who had no remorse but there have been many since that time that have fought heavily to reverse the injustices and atrocities that were committed.

So much so, that I truly believe that todays black youth cause their own pain. If they want success, they have to realize that the mystery of "the man" holding them back no longer exists.

staynumz says

Clarence 13X says

Your exactly right about that…we need less government and to bring manufacturing back to the US.

I would be willing to wager we have more in common than we have to disagree on. Cheers.

I never disagreed with your facts, just the name calling that is going on. It is all a game being played by the politicians in attempt to win votes. Our economy really doesnt matter to them, as long as the party of choice gets into office they are comfortable pushing out debt to the next generation.

I think Clinton was one of the first to reverse that trend, I cant remember exactly how he did it though.

Clarence 13X says

but sometiimes we have to hold those accountable when they make statements that show no empathy

under what authority?
and who is "we"?

seek help.

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

but sometiimes we have to hold those accountable when they make statements that show no empathy

under what authority?
and who is “we”?
seek help.

Is that all you want to accomplish here, simply to follow up everyones statements with snark comments. We the people...

I am part of "We the People" .... and I (and most Americans) have no desire to hold others accountable for statements that YOU feel are worthy of scorn. You have no such right to be my (our) voice, or to quiet others'. Seek help.

Your inferiorority(sp) complex, and defeatist nature cause me to wonder what you "want to accomplish here", but not enough to ask, nor wait for the answer. Seek help.

Tenouncetrout says

We’re in this together Clarence, we’re being Eph’d in the “A” by the Man and the man at this point history doesn’t have a color, nor a nationality, it has a corporate logo.
When will you learn we’re not your enemy, we’re your cell mates in this Rat Race?

another great post TOT.

Clarence 13X says

Bap33 says

elliemae says

The lack of vocabulary comes from a lack of intellect comes from a lack of parenting comes from a lack of accountablity comes from liberal programs.

Exactly, poor parenting is the root of all our troubles. Parents are being enabled to raise kids with ignorant mindsets.

...and there you have it. I didn't say that, but all you have to do is rearrange some words, add a few more, and all of the sudden I'm accusing Sarah Palin of being of inferior intellect. Spirited discourse is invited, mean spirited discourse is not.

Ellie, you are a neat personality.

Thanks for answering my question;O)

So what was wrong with Mitt Romney?

Where I come from, that means you're butt ugly... (hahaha) The mormon way to say that is "she's got a sweet spirit..."

But thanks for the compliment, Bap.

Leigh says

Thanks for answering my question;O)
So what was wrong with Mitt Romney?

I don't think he'd go for V.P. His ego would surely require Presidency only.

Funny thing, the "Real" actual footage of her book signing yesterday, looked nothing like the the way the daily show made it out to be the night before.

Even John Stewart admitted there was nothing about her that was bad or not to like.

He dislikes her, like everyone elese because he's a Liberal.

I like her. If she were a liberal, I would only lust her.

Tenouncetrout says

Funny thing, the “Real” actual footage of her book signing yesterday, looked nothing like the the way the daily show made it out to be the night before.
Even John Stewart admitted there was nothing about her that was bad or not to like.
He dislikes her, like everyone elese because he’s a Liberal.

Would you hire her as the CEO of Google, Bechtel, a major hospital?

What was her major in college?

What was wrong with Romney!?!?! I bet McCain/Romney would have won.

We don't need a Google CEO, when need a pissed off disenfranchised suffragette tenacious enough to get elected and free the corporate grip on Washington. Come to think of it, the EXACT opposite of a Google CEO.

Tenouncetrout says

We don’t need a Google CEO, when need a pissed off disenfranchised suffragette tenacious enough to get elected and free the corporate grip on Washington. Come to think of it, the EXACT opposite of a Google CEO.

Hey, Ron Paul or Peter SChiff sound like great options to me! And if Palin gets the nod I think a third party has a great chance to win in 2012!