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justme says

US has substandard infant mortality.

Yes we do. No dispute there. However, WHY we do is an entirely different issue. The important question is only: How do you suggest we improve that statistic?

artistsoul says

Let me end on a positive note: YES YOU ARE 100% CORRECT TO SAY THAT IF WE OFFERED UNIVERSAL CARE, THE POOR IN OUR SOCIETY WOULD BE BETTER OFF. I never suggested they would not be. I only suggested that we need to look at the statistics we wave around to justify how far America has fallen by the wayside. It is not that simple unfortunately. Our culture, our value system in America, our habits, our greed, etc are all contributing to some of the dysfunctions in our society that we see today.

I hope you are considering the larger point that I am trying to make. Other 1st world countries do have very good care. But they do make different choices, intervene less and have a whole different set of population (healthier, although they are catching up to us in the couch potato dept). Changing healthcare in America isn’t necessarily going to change those two statistics. I have said let’s look at other systems when we redesign ours. But, we also need to hold a mirror up to ourselves in America and begin to examine our habits and personal choices. We began so affluent and our standard of living is comparatively so high here that we are that we sort of victims of our own success.

Many good points. I'm not nitpicking. I just don't buy the argument that says other countries have good health statistics because they have such a healthy lifestyle but America has worse statistics because it is so affluent that people are just fat and lazy. The standard of living isn't very different. I've lived in France, there are plenty of unhealthy lifestyles going on. They smoke and drink a lot more for one. I've lived in Australia and NZ, there are lots of issues with obesity and binge drinking is totally out of control. The societies aren't different enough to make the argument.

America has some of the best as well as some very poor health care. It depends on who you are and where you are. Other countries have a much more consistent system. You also have to factor in the cost per person is almost double the rest of the first world. We don't seem to be getting much bang for the buck. That to me is the larger picture.

Pension-related news worth following…

Gingrich seeks bill allowing state bankruptcy (and reneging on pensions) to avert bailouts

http://www.pionline.com/article/20110110/PRINTSUB/301109976

Former House Speaker and possible GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich is pushing for federal legislation giving financially strapped states the right to file for bankruptcy and renege on pension and other benefit promises made to state employees.

Seeing that Argentina was raped by the IMF and pensions were raided, and that Obama has an allegiance to the IMF since Obama is the UN Security Council Chairman and the IMF is one of the two financial arms of the UN -- I'd have to say some of the passionate "informers" here are off a bit.

Buy silver bullion and land for growing food, but do not buy near nature corridors that may ultimately be taken by your new communitarian government, for the "greater good."

M8R-8eneeq says

Pension-related news worth following…
Gingrich seeks bill allowing state bankruptcy (and reneging on pensions) to avert bailouts
http://www.pionline.com/article/20110110/PRINTSUB/301109976
Former House Speaker and possible GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich is pushing for federal legislation giving financially strapped states the right to file for bankruptcy and renege on pension and other benefit promises made to state employees.
Seeing that Argentina was raped by the IMF and pensions were raided, and that Obama has an allegiance to the IMF since Obama is the UN Security Council Chairman and the IMF is one of the two financial arms of the UN — I’d have to say some of the passionate “informers” here are off a bit.

Obviously I'm missing something here. I don't see how Gingrich's pushing (for what that is worth, he's a private citizen now) ties into Argentina, the IMF and Obama at all. Is there a comprehensive explanation available that brings all these disparate things together somehow?

shrekgrinch says

bob2356 says

Remind me again exactly what position in the Obamacrats administration Ghilarducci holds (hint none)?

Who cares? YOU SAID, “No one was scheming to force IRAs, 401(k)s into bonds held and managed by ss”. I just proved you were full of shit. You can’t ‘qualify’ your statement after the fact like it is some excuse to admit you fucked up. Yet, that is precisely what you are doing.
So, next time try qualifying your statements if you want said qualifications to be take into consideration by those who are determining whether what you say is valid or not, ok?
And you are one to balk about MY education? Talk about psychological projection issues on your part.

In my book one single person's opinion presented to congress isn't "scheming" no matter how many times you want to repeat it.

Oh my, of course, I didn't realize. That person must be part of the great liberal underground network thrusting it's tentacles though out the entire fabric of American society. A nefarious secretive society along the lines of Freemasons, Skull and Crossbones, Knights Templar passed down through the ages via initiates participating in secret handshakes and blood rituals all the while controlling the fate of mankind. Now I see where you are going.

I certainly don't want to denigrate all those years you spent attending podunk elementary. It has left you truly gifted with a classical education that has provided you with Jesuit like qualities of clarity, brevity, and complex analytical thinking that is unprecedented in the ebb and flow of humankind. One day the towering intellect represented by the hallowed words of shrekgrinch will be held up by future scholars as a monument to greatness in thought achievable by the human race that will be given a rightful place alongside such lesser luminary greats as Plato, Socrates, Augustus, and Aquinas. I am in awe to be here and see it happening.

bob2356 says

Obviously I’m missing something here. I don’t see how Gingrich’s pushing (for what that is worth, he’s a private citizen now) ties into Argentina, the IMF and Obama at all. Is there a comprehensive explanation available that brings all these disparate things together somehow?

Well, that and (a) Obama isn't the UNSC Chairman(*) (b) the UNSC doesn't have a Chairman (c) the IMF governance structure is not controlled by the UNSC but by the IMF member countries more or less in proportion to their contributions - the US has significant representation and (d) oh never mind, there's no convincing a lunatic by presenting facts...

Reminds me of this woman in our local social dance community. Beautiful, decent dancer, and utterly nuts. I happened to be carpooling somewhere with her recently and made the mistake of alluding to contemporary politics. Quickly found that in her world view, the reason for being in Afghanistan was that if we weren't, Al Qaeda would reconstitute, take over Russia in a lightning coup, and launch their entire nuclear arsenal at us. Yes, she was completely serious. I guess in that view a trillion dollars and a few thousand soldier's lives are a small price to pay to prevent global thermonuclear holocaust.

(*) Apparently this particular lunatic fringe rumour was inspired by a very brief period in Sep. 2009 during which the US held the rotating UNSC Presidency for the month and the US President also happened to be in town and the technical leader of the US delegation to the UNSC - though how you get from that to allegiance to some particular UN institution escapes me. Was Obama also declaring his allegiance to UNICEF at the same time?

bob2356 says

M8R-8eneeq says

Pension-related news worth following…
Gingrich seeks bill allowing state bankruptcy (and reneging on pensions) to avert bailouts
http://www.pionline.com/article/20110110/PRINTSUB/301109976
Former House Speaker and possible GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich is pushing for federal legislation giving financially strapped states the right to file for bankruptcy and renege on pension and other benefit promises made to state employees.
Seeing that Argentina was raped by the IMF and pensions were raided, and that Obama has an allegiance to the IMF since Obama is the UN Security Council Chairman and the IMF is one of the two financial arms of the UN — I’d have to say some of the passionate “informers” here are off a bit.

Obviously I’m missing something here. I don’t see how Gingrich’s pushing (for what that is worth, he’s a private citizen now) ties into Argentina, the IMF and Obama at all. Is there a comprehensive explanation available that brings all these disparate things together somehow?

Need there be a tie other than that there's a drive at both ends (IMF and the US Congress) pushing for pension grabs?

If you absolutely need a definitive connection between the two to arrive at "belief," it's not too much work. Gingrich is a CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) member. As is Obama and his wife. CFR is blatantly pro-communist, pro-One World Government. CFR is dominated by central bankers such as David Rockefeller, a long-time CFR member. Central bankers dominate the IMF. Need more? There's plenty, you know. This is just scratching the surface...

oddhack says

bob2356 says

Obviously I’m missing something here. I don’t see how Gingrich’s pushing (for what that is worth, he’s a private citizen now) ties into Argentina, the IMF and Obama at all. Is there a comprehensive explanation available that brings all these disparate things together somehow?

Well, that and (a) Obama isn’t the UNSC Chairman(*) (b) the UNSC doesn’t have a Chairman (c) the IMF governance structure is not controlled by the UNSC but by the IMF member countries more or less in proportion to their contributions - the US has significant representation and (d) oh never mind, there’s no convincing a lunatic by presenting facts…
Reminds me of this woman in our local social dance community. Beautiful, decent dancer, and utterly nuts. I happened to be carpooling somewhere with her recently and made the mistake of alluding to contemporary politics. Quickly found that in her world view, the reason for being in Afghanistan was that if we weren’t, Al Qaeda would reconstitute, take over Russia in a lightning coup, and launch their entire nuclear arsenal at us. Yes, she was completely serious. I guess in that view a trillion dollars and a few thousand soldier’s lives are a small price to pay to prevent global thermonuclear holocaust.
(*) Apparently this particular lunatic fringe rumour was inspired by a very brief period in Sep. 2009 during which the US held the rotating UNSC Presidency for the month and the US President also happened to be in town and the technical leader of the US delegation to the UNSC - though how you get from that to allegiance to some particular UN institution escapes me. Was Obama also declaring his allegiance to UNICEF at the same time?

Damn, is it really my job to demonstrate to you that Obama has central banker ties? Did the bank bailout mean anything to you, or his campaign contributors, or his affiliations with thinktanks backed by central bankers? You're not even worth wasting time on. That's like me having to tie your shoes for you. And that you are belligerent on top of it does not help or inspire. I often find that the first person to so quickly reach for the "lunatic" label is generally the lunatic, themself.

Yes, Obama was UNSC chair/president for a month. That DOES demonstrate an affiliation, does it not? If you chaired the KKK for a month, you think people might believe you backed their ideals?

The two financial arms of the UN are the IMF and World Bank, the wealth of which are both privately owned. These same institutions coordinate with the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), which is a corporation comprised of all 169 central banks worldwide, all of which are privately owned. Yes, some of these central banks are owned through shares by other financial corporations, but if you examine who owns those corpoations it's mostly the same individuals who own the wealth of the central banks, World Bank and IMF (mostly Rothschild family money). The US Federal Reserve is one of these central banks. If you ever take time out to look at the nitty gritty of it, the same names pop up on all sides of this equation, time after time. I mention this to give you the foundation of the connection, which is in plain view for anyone to see.

The communitarians are not hard to identify. They are the ones with all the money, and the lust for even more power in the form of a world socialist/totalitarian government. They certainly like to document their objectives. It's the news media that does not cover it much, though. But who trusts mainstream news anymore?

You seem to be mirroring the rhetoric on the television. I am merely reflecting the actual documented plans of the communitarians. They are not secret plans, by any means. Do any reading beyond the TV, friend?

If you are a paid-for disinformation agent, please do not respond. You have already been tagged.

APOCALYPSEFUCK says

Ron Paul is a pinko tool. He is taking money from an illegal government. And takes Medicare payments for his medical practice. He is a screaming commie. A real proponent of Freedom would demand the end to ALL taxation and ALL government. But Paul hates Freedom, too, and is just another sell out to the stalinists and al qaeda operatives running this country.

Wow, anyone who is dumb enough to poke a stick at Ron Paul when there are so many other over-ripe wonderful targets to choose from needs some re-education on reality. Ron Paul is harmless and has good intent. He is also not a pawn of the central bankers. I guarantee you your favorite politicians are, which makes you a fool, be default.

Mr.Fantastic says

ApocalypseFuck, I just invested into a 9mm Sig Sauer. How much ammo do you think I should invest in?

2,000 rounds per hunting weapon. 5,000 rounds for defense.

Food storage will be your biggest concern, above all else.

Member # whose it whats it... lecture noted.

But if you want to talk to her, just do it. Because, honestly, for a mere mortal like myself if I have to choose between these options:

M8R-9t6a6i says

you’re nuts, or you’re version of fun is debating on behalf of Satan, for pure shock value.

I'm figuring either is an acceptable answer

Hedge yourself, just buy a few rounds. Find someone who has bought 2000 rounds and another 5000 for defense and just sit out side their house waiting for them to leave to go hunting. No one can protect against a sniper, and it will be pretty obvious who has supplies.

That's your best post ever Shrek.

Nomograph says

(13) Techgromit - Bought in Egg Harbor because Suzanne researched it.

Hey, Suzanne don't lie. :)

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

...
The problem was there were “dueling” forums. Most of the “originals” stayed with commenting to Patrick or Harm’s posts. Relative “Newcommers” such as myself were more apt to use the forum, which eventually was so spam infested (”water” posts, etc.) that Patrick solicited moderators, to which end I volunteered my services.

...

I almost miss the water posts. :) I never volunteered for moderator because I didn't want anything porn related showing up on my computer at work. I really started avoiding Patrick.net at work at one point due to these issues.

My biggest pet peeves were people not staying on topic, I remember posting a Title "Change this topic" and people quoting sources but not backing it up with a link.

Darn, M8R-gibberish got me. I'm off to deposit my paychecks from the IMF and the Trilateral Commision now.

how about a CD at 1.1% APR? If i try to cash it in during the cannibal wars the bankers might eat me? (this seems logical, so I should worry about it!)

Believe it or not, Texas has a lot of tax breaks for people who use renewable energy and green construction. I am thinking about buying a acre of land and building a state-of-the-art home. No Realtors involved. LOL.

M8R-ywkgjs says

Need there be a tie other than that there’s a drive at both ends (IMF and the US Congress) pushing for pension grabs?

If you absolutely need a definitive connection between the two to arrive at “belief,” it’s not too much work. Gingrich is a CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) member. As is Obama and his wife. CFR is blatantly pro-communist, pro-One World Government. CFR is dominated by central bankers such as David Rockefeller, a long-time CFR member. Central bankers dominate the IMF. Need more? There’s plenty, you know. This is just scratching the surface…

You said Gingrich is pushing the issue, he's a private citizen not a member of congress. Now you are saying congress is pushing. Which is it?

Gingrich and Obama are both on the CFR is connecting the dots, that's it? So are something like ten thousand other people. You're are joking right? Is this tongue in cheek somehow? Please feel free to scratch deeper because this is pretty seriously shallow.

I'm also confused about your comment that the 169 central banks are privately owned including the federal reserve. How is the federal reserve privately owned? It is owned by the member banks, all of which are public corporations. Here's a dated but pretty good article about ownership of the Fed that I read several years ago and was able to dig up, even though the article is addressing the issue of foreign ownership of the fed.
http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html
Please explain.

Tenouncetrout says

Bearmarket moved to Utah where he now practices Polygamy Abstinence.

this was funny when I first read it. now, it is still funny. A sign of true funnyness.

Nomograph says

You had a beautiful woman in your car, were on your way to go dancing, and you decided to talk about politics? Are you completely insane?

Well, sorta. It was on the way back from the dance, and having known her for 6 years and having slept with crazy women who were even more beautiful, it really wouldn't be worth the trouble to try and take it off the dance floor.

Regarding the Federal Reserve... http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986212

Read that. All your questions will be answered.

Regarding the CFR... read this --
http://www.amazon.com/Naked-Capitalist-W-Cleon-Skousen/dp/0686091647/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1294805809&sr=1-1

For the deniers, please go back to practicing your herd mentality training. You are more pleasant when you are asleep.

Does that include not masturbating with Tina thumb & her four sister fingerwives?

bob2356 says

M8R-ywkgjs says

Need there be a tie other than that there’s a drive at both ends (IMF and the US Congress) pushing for pension grabs?
If you absolutely need a definitive connection between the two to arrive at “belief,” it’s not too much work. Gingrich is a CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) member. As is Obama and his wife. CFR is blatantly pro-communist, pro-One World Government. CFR is dominated by central bankers such as David Rockefeller, a long-time CFR member. Central bankers dominate the IMF. Need more? There’s plenty, you know. This is just scratching the surface…

You said Gingrich is pushing the issue, he’s a private citizen not a member of congress. Now you are saying congress is pushing. Which is it?
Gingrich and Obama are both on the CFR is connecting the dots, that’s it? So are something like ten thousand other people. You’re are joking right? Is this tongue in cheek somehow? Please feel free to scratch deeper because this is pretty seriously shallow.
I’m also confused about your comment that the 169 central banks are privately owned including the federal reserve. How is the federal reserve privately owned? It is owned by the member banks, all of which are public corporations. Here’s a dated but pretty good article about ownership of the Fed that I read several years ago and was able to dig up, even though the article is addressing the issue of foreign ownership of the fed.
http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html
Please explain.

One does not belong to the CFR for shits and giggles. The CFR doesn't let you join unless you are 100% on board with their agenda. Their agenda is quite clearly a world communist government. If you still think there's no valid connection, then I can't help you.

The Federal Reserve Bank in the US is comprised of 12 banks which are primarily owned by financial investment firms. These firms are generally controlled by the same group of individuals who control the rest of the central banks worldwide. It's a group of about 500 people, roughly.

This is not easy task to figure out. It took me a few years to figure this out, relying on hard evidence from multiple sources and piecing it all together. This is not some kind of simple Google search.

When in doubt, read the history of the creation of the US Federal Reserve...
http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986212

Carroll Quigley -- Bill Clinton's mentor -- was an elite insider who was so proud of what they were doing, he chose to document it in a book. Leon Skousen later wrote extensively regarding Quigley's writings and expanded on them.

These are just a handful of several works directly from the source.

Nomograph says

Lemmie get this straight: Newt Gingrich and Obama are secretly working behind the scenes to install a world communist government? Sweet.

Found on News One:

According to several friends, Jared Loughner, suspect in the shooting of Arizona Congresswoman, Gabrielle Gifford, Loughner was fan of conspiracy theory movies produced by right wing radio host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. The two movies are “Loose Change” which claims 9/11 was an inside job, which Alex Jones was an executive producer and “Zeitgeist” another conspiracy theory movie which had parts of Jones movie “Terrorstorm.” “Zeitgeist” claims that the Federal Reserve was behind several wars and manipulates the American public and that there was a secret conspiracy for a “One World Government” or “New World Order,” common themes in the Patriot Movement.

But I'm sure there's no relation at all to this thread.

M8R-ptqwyw says

The Federal Reserve Bank in the US is comprised of 12 banks which are primarily owned by financial investment firms. These firms are generally controlled by the same group of individuals who control the rest of the central banks worldwide. It’s a group of about 500 people, roughly.

Perfect you are just the guy I've been looking for to explain a few things. I've been curious for years about these 500 people that I keep hearing about.

I'm a little confused about your term "financial investment firms" since is has no actual meaning that I am aware of. If you meant investment banks then you must have misspoke. As someone who has spent years studying this you are of course aware that commercial banks are the shareholders in the fed. Nationally chartered banks must participate to the tune of 6% (if I remember correctly) of assets, state chartered banks are not required to buy shares in the fed but many do. Investment banks cannot own shares of the fed.

So my question is how do these 500 people actually control the fed. The fed is owned by banks who are publicly traded corporations. Something like 75% of the banks stocks are held by institutions like public pension plans, ira's, etc.. The 500 people certainly don't control all the ira's and public pension plans. How do they do it? What is the legal framework for it? What is the mechanism that allows this? There is nothing that I have ever seen in the banks public filings with the SEC that gives any clue to this.

With your back round of study on the subject this should be an easy one.

bob2356 says

M8R-ptqwyw says

The Federal Reserve Bank in the US is comprised of 12 banks which are primarily owned by financial investment firms. These firms are generally controlled by the same group of individuals who control the rest of the central banks worldwide. It’s a group of about 500 people, roughly.

Perfect you are just the guy I’ve been looking for to explain a few things. I’ve been curious for years about these 500 people that I keep hearing about.
I’m a little confused about your term “financial investment firms” since is has no actual meaning that I am aware of. If you meant investment banks then you must have misspoke. As someone who has spent years studying this you are of course aware that commercial banks are the shareholders in the fed. Nationally chartered banks must participate to the tune of 6% (if I remember correctly) of assets, state chartered banks are not required to buy shares in the fed but many do. Investment banks cannot own shares of the fed.
So my question is how do these 500 people actually control the fed. The fed is owned by banks who are publicly traded corporations. Something like 75% of the banks stocks are held by institutions like public pension plans, ira’s, etc.. The 500 people certainly don’t control all the ira’s and public pension plans. How do they do it? What is the legal framework for it? What is the mechanism that allows this? There is nothing that I have ever seen in the banks public filings with the SEC that gives any clue to this.
With your back round of study on the subject this should be an easy one.

So harsh and critical. Are you always like this? You'll die of a heart attack before you're 50 you know.

Here ya go...
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

It's a complex web of relationships. Once you've been exposed to the network and seen how these boys all work together, you begin to realize it's about 500 people at the core of it, roughly.

There's a famous presidential quote basically saying the same thing, but can't find it offhand. There's also a speech from JFK that goes over this same topic.

But you know it won't matter how much fact I put in front of you. You will never see what's in front of your face. I already know this. My posts are really for the people who happen to be reading this, who are on the fence and are confused about what is going on...

Media ownership works in much the same manner. These guys figure that if the relationships are complex and slightly indirect, most will be confused and refuse to believe it's an organized network with a mutual agenda. And they were right, people assume that because it's complex, it must not be real. For the deniers (paid or unpaid) it also makes for good ammo to attack those who know what is going on.

For example, how many people know that the Rothschild family owns Royal Dutch Shell (Shell gasoline)? This is the top of the food chain as far as central bankers go. How many people know the Rockefeller family owns/controls Citibank, Chase Bank, and ABC, CBS, and NBC? You know how long it took to determine this? Years! Just scratching the surface here... for most people, if it's not on the TV, it doesn't exist.

M8R-ptqwyw... or is it c2809939? says

The CFR doesn’t let you join unless you are 100% on board with their agenda. Their agenda is quite clearly a world communist government.

LOL. Nice to see a real conspiracy buff here. Yeah I'm sure that communist world gov't thing was what Dick Cheney was after when he joined.

Nomograph says

c2809939 says

For example, how many people know that the Rothschild family owns Royal Dutch Shell (Shell gasoline)? This is the top of the food chain as far as central bankers go. How many people know the Rockefeller family owns/controls Citibank, Chase Bank, and ABC, CBS, and NBC? You know how long it took to determine this? Years! Just scratching the surface here…

OMG THEY’RE IN MY SOCK DRAWER

I find it interesting that I bring sourced facts to the conversation, and you bring emotional buzzwords that have been specifically designed to deflate the facts without hardly any effort at all.

What is your purpose here? If you want to go back to high school, please feel free to do so. That is, inside the walls of a high school. You will be king there.

MarkInSF says

M8R-ptqwyw… or is it c2809939? says

The CFR doesn’t let you join unless you are 100% on board with their agenda. Their agenda is quite clearly a world communist government.

LOL. Nice to see a real conspiracy buff here. Yeah I’m sure that communist world gov’t thing was what Dick Cheney was after when he joined.

I think you will enjoy watching Cheney and Rockefeller laugh it up about how he kept the fact that he headed up the CFR out of the media spotlight --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

What's even more fascinating is that I have an endless amount of factual information to support my statements here, yet not only does this not register for you, you go out of your way to actually try to create the impression that I am not of sound mind. I can't fathom that so many individuals here are so belligerent. My only guess is that some of this high school bully mentality is actually paid for, and intentional. Then there are the spinless individuals who subscribe to the herd mentality at all costs. Those are the soul-less individuals of society who are like the walking dead.

People ask me why I am so jaded about humanity these days. It's because of your responses, folks. I feel like I am talking to 1 out of 1,000 people out there who actually know what is going on. The rest of you are either paid for or opportunistic jackasses who find a ready orgasm waiting for you by gangbanging the unpopular idea (based in facts, I might add).

When people no longer use facts, that's when people are disposable because they have become animals. Civilization ends. If you want to cater to animalistic desire, go for it. Don't let anyone hold you back. Attack the facts and the logic, and then live for the high of the instant orgasm, as there is no higher state of being for you.

Why bother hanging out on forums such as this one? Reach for the stars baby and join your local Satanic cult.

c2809939 says

So harsh and critical. Are you always like this? You’ll die of a heart attack before you’re 50 you know.

WTF is harsh and critical? I asked a simple and I thought polite question. Paranoid much? I'm well over 50 and play 1-2 hours of squash a day, thank you for your concern about my health.

What facts did you put in front of me? A chart from 1976 talking about ownership control of banks in 1914. Exactly how does that work in 2011? What does Royal Dutch Shell have to do with banking or central banks? How do the Rothchilds own RDS? Here is a list of major stockholders for RDS http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=RDS.B the largest of which is Hawkins Capital out of Houston. How does the Rockefeller family own/control Citi/Chase etc.? They are not the majority stockholders, that's easy to look up also. So what mechanism do they use for this control?

I'm sitting on the fence. Answer my question and move me over the line. I'll try again, without having majority stockholder status, how do these people "control" public corporations? How do they go on to "control" the FED which is owned by publicly traded banks? You've studied this for years so a simple summary should be no problem.

bob2356 says

c2809939 says

So harsh and critical. Are you always like this? You’ll die of a heart attack before you’re 50 you know.

WTF is harsh and critical? I asked a simple and I thought polite question. Paranoid much? I’m well over 50 and play 1-2 hours of squash a day, thank you for your concern about my health.
What facts did you put in front of me? A chart from 1976 talking about ownership control of banks in 1914. Exactly how does that work in 2011? What does Royal Dutch Shell have to do with banking or central banks? How do the Rothchilds own RDS? Here is a list of major stockholders for RDS http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=RDS.B the largest of which is Hawkins Capital out of Houston. How does the Rockefeller family own/control Citi/Chase etc.? They are not the majority stockholders, that’s easy to look up also. So what mechanism do they use for this control?
I’m sitting on the fence. Answer my question and move me over the line. I’ll try again, without having majority stockholder status, how do these people “control” public corporations? How do they go on to “control” the FED which is owned by publicly traded banks? You’ve studied this for years so a simple summary should be no problem.

If you are sincere in your statements, then check out the links and references to the books and authors mentioned in my posts. That's your new reading material. If you think a well-thought-out conspiracy is going to allow itself to sit on top of a shiney silver platter waiting for you to gobble it up, you are incorrect. It's going to be a snake and be very creative and focused when it comes to those who expose its underbelly.

It's fairly well-known that the KGB and similar intelligence groups rely/relied heavily on creating the public impression that those who exposed the underbelly of a conspiracy against the people were the "crazies" of society. People who deserved public humiliation and shame, or to be locked up in a padded cell.

Hell, if I wanted to screw over a few billion people, it sure would be nice to have control over the mainstream media for the masses and then be able to gently convince them that anyone who was my enemy was their enemy, too.

How nice and convenient and clean. Welcome to where we are at now. Welcome to paid-for (or mindless volunteer) fascist-hugging provocateurs who hang out on public forums for the purpose of determining who is crazy and who is not.

Gosh, I wish I had that kind of power. That's a lot of power. It's a god-less kind of power, however. It lacks any compassion and seeks power as an end unto itself. Power for the few. Judgement and repression for the many.

I thought you had already done the work--can't you just share what you found rather than making Bob reinvent the wheel?

A simple 5 paragraph essay of summary information would suffice. Anyone who really knows their material should be able to come up with that in less than 10 minutes. You claim to have the fruits of years of research on the subject, share it if this is true.

I never knew the KGB had a public relations department. How did that work?

Forged "commercial paper" (short term commercial loan conracts) in China

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=177673

She's become a better person since being an agent.

You are all so cynical. Jeesh! Did anyone even stop to wonder what the babies did to provoke the woman? Maybe they thought the saying was, "now is the time to CRY" instead of "buy?"

That's me, the voice of reason.

Our society is fucked. If you read the article, this was not spontaneous behavior, she ingratiated herself to the parents in a premeditated fashion to gain access so that she could attack helpless infants - I'm not advocating any illegal acts here, but this woman should be put to death immediately and painfully and our failure to do so illustrates how hopelessly weak willed we have become. I've rarely heard a better case for burning at the fucking stake.

“now is the time to CRY”

Priceless lulz. By the way, there is another thread about the same topic...

http://patrick.net/?p=613218

Mrs. Hench is expected to serve only ONE year of the prison sentence.

JimAtLaw says

Our society is fucked. If you read the article, this was not spontaneous behavior, she ingratiated herself to the parents in a premeditated fashion to gain access so that she could attack helpless infants - I’m not advocating any illegal acts here, but this woman should be put to death immediately and painfully and our failure to do so illustrates how hopelessly weak willed we have become. I’ve rarely heard a better case for burning at the fucking stake.

Put to death for causing a minor injury? Gee, good thing you didn't overreact. Society isn't "fucked". There have always been mentally ill people, and there probably always will be. Sometimes people do crazy shit. Why is it that there always seems to be someone who goes off the deep end and thinks it's a sign of the apocalypse?

Or perhaps you were joking?