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Health Insurace Pro says

RE: Simcha
from wikipedia
Early depictions of circumcision are found in cave paintings and Ancient Egyptian tombs
Religious male circumcision is considered a commandment from God in Judaism.
In Islam, though not discussed in the Qur’an, male circumcision is widely practised and most often considered to be a sunnah.
It is also customary in some Christian churches in Africa, including some Oriental Orthodox Churches.
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), global estimates suggest that 30% of males are circumcised, of whom 68% are Muslim.
So much for “simcha”

OK, what are you talking about? None of that says that circumcision is a Roman Catholic tradition. Not sure what you and Marcus are trying to prove.

I see that no one else but the Jews has circumcision as a commandment. Muslims do it because much of their religious Traditions are closely aligned with Jewish Traditions. Jews and Muslims have more in common than both religions do to Christianity.

I said this ballot measure is anti-semitic. Last time I checked, Arabs are also Semitic. They speak the Semitic language of Arabic. This law is against religions that circumcise.

And yet Muslims and Arabs are not specifically commanded to get ritually circumcised like Jews are. Non-Jewish Americans have been and still are free to either circumcise or not to circumcise because they aren't commanded like Jews are.

This ballot measure has a disproportionate impact on Jews. It's very easy for non-Jews to dismiss anti-semitism out of hand because they never have and never will have to experience it.

Both of you are coming across as incoherent and insensitive.

Maybe you don't take this ballot measure as personal because it doesn't affect you personally. That's nice for you but this ballot measure does personally affect Jews.

My latest posts were filled with information requested by posters in this thread.

In reality, no other country can keep pace with our military. They can't keep up fiscally or technologically. We are that far ahead and don't get me started about military discipline. So, when you through in a well trained and technologically advanced force in a NATO environment, we get a little frustrated because the other countries really can't keep up with us.

I guess I see that going all the way to the length of making it illegal, as disregarding the interests of jews. And clearly the guy that did the cartoon is antisemitic. Others behind it probably just have difficulty with the concept, and maybe resent that it is still often as a default procedure.

But it's all so silly since a majority of non jewish adult men are circumcised and have no problem with it, they will never go along with the law. These are wacko extremists who don't have an issue. They probably won't even get the majority of non circumcised men to vote for it.

We are talking maybe 14% that will vote for it. So who cares ?

I guess it can be seen as offensive to jewish people, considering that it's a traditional rite. It would be just like making it illegal to submerse a person under the age of 18 into water for religious purposes without first scrubbing & sanitizing the tub in every instance citing the possiblity of infection. Or outlawing them altogether because they're under the age of consent.

That would pretty much wipe out mormon baptisms, which are performed in baptismal tubs one after the other in mormon ward-houses. It would also mess with other religions, but I'm not as familiar with them.

Don’t assume you know me, I’m not at the places I work for, to drink Tea, and speak the Kings English. I’m there because I’m good at what I do. We are talking about a field where Indians reign supreme. Spell check is not needed for what I do.

At all of the leading software, hardware, and internet companies (apple, google, Microsoft, etc.) Being able to communicate clearly and effectively is considered to be just as important as being able to write quality software.

Actually writing code is not hard, anyone can do it, and for typical requirements of most businesses someone with little more then vocational training will suffice. You'll mostly be using software written by other people and making minor adjustments. The act of engineering new systems, however, is a different beast entirely.

I will continue to make the argument that NATO is unnecessary, and that doesn't mean that Europe needs to spend more on military.

The only credible military threat to Europe or the united states is china, and a war with china would go nuclear long before anyone even thought about deploying tanks.

elliemae says

I guess it can be seen as offensive to jewish people

It is almost a non-issue. Very few children in Cool and Hip San Francisco. "Doing the 'Kid Thing' " is too icky-poo for The Cool Hipsters.

But don't forget it is a Muslim tradition, too. More likely if it was intended as an affront to The Religious, would be directed at them, who seem to tolerate homosexuality in the USA a whole lot less than do Jews.

Those companies you need to dumb it down for the Clowns in the meetings, I don't work for companies where I'm in meetings with Lori from the office coordinator.

I'm usually called after a company has dumped millions in a development team lead by a non technical MS Project end user, and the meeting minutes are taken by Marge from HR, has gotten them no where. Those meetings are always unproductive, because for the edification of those present the goals are dumbed down, substantially that the end result always miss the mark of the intended goals. I work directly with folks in Business Analytic just one person delivering in weeks that has not been delivered in years from IT dept due to the internal etiquette and politics.

Team work is a concept invented by the business consultants of the 80's to keep them in the loop and employed.

When in practice great ideas, abilities can't be a Democracy, as not every one is capable of them. The enterprise is weighed down by dead weight that demands email correspondence that reads like a undergrad term paper, instead of people with the whereat all to produce valid code.

Can I communicate? You bet, am I going to work in a company where my abilities are whittled down to who has the best penmanship?
Hell no, those companies only last a year or two tops anyway.

Or to put it differently, tot is so damn good at C++, Java, Perl, SQL, and Python, that English might be considered his sixth language.

I have the right to know...

Tenouncetrout says

Team work is a concept invented by the business consultants of the 80’s to keep them in the loop and employed.

I don't know, there are times when I wish that others I work with were a bit more of a team player, and I can even acknowledge in myself an arrogance and a self interest that have at times prevented me from being a better team player. Too many chiefs, or chefs, can be a problem. If my idea is shot down, I would like to be in on a conversation (with mutual respect) discussing why.

Even if another person has a better idea, or if you do, how is that supposed to be recognized and win out without a reasonable team environment ? Remember, there's no 'I' in team.

marcus says

Even if another person has a better idea, or if you do, how is that supposed to be recognized and win out without a reasonable team environment ?

Yeah but the emblematic problems I speak of, are not of developer fruition, but more from non technical people sticking their fingers in the gravy.

Developers spite their egos welcome enlightenment on superior processes, or even new processes. So that things don't go stale.

I guess I'm saying I found my niche with the business analytics side of the enterprise. They have a clear concise goal for their needs. Other areas of the organization it's a contest of will and usefulness.

BA side, it's can you give me this in the incredibly short time I need it?
There's no time for technical analytic dog and pony shows, they need people that problem solve at the speed of speech.

Tot has obviously found his niche where he belongs - he doesn't have to communicate effectively or work with others. Good for him.

"Developers spite their egos welcome enlightenment on superior processes, or even new processes. So that things don’t go stale."

However, much of the time when he's attempting to communicate here we aren't speaking the same language.

In programmer lingo 'high level' (which he is calling superior processes), refers to what the program is actually doing for the user, or the way it's doing it (the user interface). IT's above the level the details of how it will occur or the code,... its describing logically what actually happens (or needs to happen).

"spite" means ",in spite of."

Gosh Ellie, do I have to explain everything ?

...and here I was thinking that programmers are treating their (alter) egos with "a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person," that they welcome the state of enlightenment possibly in a ceremony which includes peyote or other controlled substances (which would explain the "superior processes)" - or new processes for those people who've never partaken during such a spiritual ceremony. And of course, that they would have such a ceremony expeditiously so that the drugs don't get stale.

I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy off.

Time for another drinkey poo over at the goat farm Ellie?

Taxpayer says

The article means that no one has automatic right to a big screen tv just because they exist on this planet.

How can they get their propaganda from newscorp, if they don't have a big screen tv or a car radio ?

I think that if a zygote doesn't have the right to not exist, then the least we could do is promise them a TV.

Also, if they promise not to be a criminal, which will cost the government what, 50 to 65K/year (or more ?), I think the least we can do is give them a big screen TV. Maybe a decent meal every now and then too. Obviously they would rather have the dignity of a decent job, but hey, sometimes that's just not in the cards.

Taxpayer says

elliemae, learn some basic comprehension skills before posting bs.

Awe, shucks, I guess that I should've learned basic comprehension skills, even though they obviously lacked basic communication skills (such as the ability to put their meaning into the written word).
Taxpayer says

The article means that no one has automatic right to a big screen tv just because they exist on this planet.

But that's not what it actually says. You're just assuming that's what they meant.

Taxpayer says

I guess like all liberal whiners you want a big screen tv delivered to your door...

Absolutely I want a big screen tv delivered to my door. In fact, I just checked to see if one had been delivered today, but it's Sunday in Utah and no one works on Sunday - except the multi-level marketers and internet scammers.

Taxpayer says

...and a thank you note from all the people who paid for it.

That would be awesome. I'll check the mailbox tomorrow. ;)
marcus says

I think that if a zygote doesn't have the right to not exist, then the least we could do is promise them a TV.

Marcus raises a valid point; I believe that if I should automatically get a big screen tv, we should implant teeny televisions inside every womb. Hopefully they won't have cables attached, 'cause that would be horribly inconvenient, to say the least.

Tenouncetrout says

Time for another drinkey poo over at the goat farm Ellie?

Yea, it's beer-thirty somewhere.

APOCALYPSEFUCK says

Every Democratic voter I ever met was insane with hunger to knife an American, take his wallet, and buy a al qaeda illegal a big TV! It’s like a entrance examination or something.

That's just crazy! We don't want to buy anyone else a tv, we want our own. We demand our own! You're right about the knifing, tho - guns are for republicans. (ellie sheepishly hides the guns behind the big screen tv...)

@marcus,
I totally agree with political amimal behavior. There is very little honor in politics these days. Is it possible for me to have some intellect and still have extreemly conservative views about the human condition?

On Subject: @Sim,
I asked my wife, she said, "I don't care, get away from me! I thought that site was about housing!! What in the hell are you doing on there?" I bet Gemorrians are never treated so gruffly by their mate!

Hey Tot, look at the balloon animal that's number 1 on reddit today.

http://www.reddit.com/top/

AF:

I resent that - I'm not greedy. I definitely deserve more than the next guy/gal, but that's because I'm a bleeding heart, do-gooder liberal. I helped an old lady carry her groceries to her car the other day...

(the "old lady" was me, and I did use the box-boy's help. And I didn't tip him... But I did tell him where the local food bank is located, even tho I know he doesn't have a car and there's no bus service on his end of town).

Since he obviously can't afford cable/satellite, can I have his tv too? My republican ex-husband's man cave is missing the big screen since he left.

Also a winner: http://imgur.com/23eS1

Note, we can't post pics on here right now.

Bap, tell the wife howdy fer us. ;)

No country can keep pace with us because we spend our entire income and corporate tax revenue on the military.

Pretty soon, we won't be able to keep pace with ourselves and may have to use the F-15 until 2040.

A favorite:

"they are attempting to prevent the recess of congress………ANY recess of the 112th congress………"

That's a great idea. They should work 12 months a year passing bills that create jobs.

I find scary that Bachman would get probably more than 40% of the national votes against Obama. Same thing for Palin.

In fact, Bachmann equivocated only once, when she couldn’t choose between Elvis Presley and Johnny Cash. Go figure.

I don't see what her problem is, as much as I like Elvis, Johnny Cash is clearly better.

I'm all for Bachmann. I think she might be even better for Democrats than Palin. I'm not sure there's a Republican candidate that can actually win in the general election.

One brave politician has taken up protecting circumcision as his cause.

http://bradsherman.house.gov/2011/06/sherman-to-introduce-bill-to-protect-male-circumcision.shtml

So I'll see Shrek & Co. on the campaign donor list to Brad Sherman next year?

Michele Bachmann would be the Republican wet dream candidate. She's practically interchangeable with Sistah Sarah. The teabaggers will have furry palms before the end of the election season.

The GOP leadership will never let Palin or Bachmann secure the nomination. They'll like to keep them around to fire up the base, but they know damn well that they won't have a chance of winning the 20% or so of voters who aren't automatically voting for one party or another.

(30-40% of people will vote republican no matter who they ran)

Wow--your reading comprehension skills really need some work. Could you show me exactly where he is OPPOSING anything in his quote?

Explaining what happened is different than opposing it.

shrekgrinch says

Kevin says

The GOP leadership will never let Palin or Bachmann secure the nomination

And how, exactly would they be able to accomplish that? The RNC is a paper tiger, as is the DNC.

Yeah, I am afraid that I have to agree with shrek on this one. I don't know if I would call the RNC and DNC paper tigers, but I don't think they have enough control to prevent Palin or Bachmann getting the nomination.

Ultimately I don't think that they will, but I would not rule it out.

shrekgrinch says

Why? Who said I am opposing Obama being a luddite? I never made that contention….and you bitch about ‘my’ reading comprehension skills?

Yes, I am saying that. How on earth did you think that I was referring to you opposing Obama.

You claimed that Obama is a luddite. You then claim a luddite " opposes the changes or outright elimination in existing, status quo industries"

So again, please show me in your posted quote where Obama OPPOSES anything.

OH there Nomograph goes attacking another asshole...

AGAIN!

Where doesn't it say I can't expect anything? I'm entitled to anything I think will benefit me.

All I got to do is bust my ass and go get it. But entitled is one of those words that if you use it, like it's a bad word that will rabble the crowd. Then you're definitely part of the problem.

People on the receiving end of the Dole aren't the problem, unless they are committing fraud. The problem is the people that further layer the system that keeps people on the dole.