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elliemae
2011 Jul 27, 12:08am
Rupert Murdoch must be turning over in his... hyperbolic chamber.
General poll data like this is worthless. It's a news organization trying to pump and dump a dead day of news.
But it sometimes supplies degenerates with some circle jerk material.
Back to batin'!
zzyzzx
2011 Jul 27, 1:14am
http://nationaljournal.com/columns/against-the-grain/obama-s-battleground-state-blues-20110726
Obama’s Battleground-State Blues
The president’s national poll numbers aren’t good, but they’re worse in battleground states.
The race for president isn’t a national contest. It’s a state-by-state battle to cobble an electoral vote majority. So while the national polls are useful in gauging the president’s popularity, the more instructive numbers are those from the battlegrounds.
Those polls are even more ominous for the president: In every reputable battleground state poll conducted over the past month, Obama’s support is weak. In most of them, he trails Republican front-runner Mitt Romney. For all the talk of a closely fought 2012 election, if Obama can’t turn around his fortunes in states such as Michigan and New Hampshire, next year’s presidential election could end up being a GOP landslide.
In Michigan, a reliably Democratic state that Obama carried with 57 percent of the vote, an EPIC-MRA poll conducted July 9-11 finds him trailing Romney, 46 percent to 42 percent.
In Iowa, where Republican presidential contenders are getting in their early licks against the president, his approval has taken a hit. In a Mason-Dixon poll conducted for a liberal-leaning group, Romney held a lead of 42 percent to 39 percent over the president
The July Granite State Poll pegs the president’s approval at 46 percent among New Hampshire voters, with 49 percent disapproving. A separate robo-poll conducted this month by Democratic-aligned Public Policy Polling shows him trailing Romney in the state, 46 percent to 44 percent.
If Obama is struggling in the Democratic-friendly confines of Michigan and Pennsylvania (as recent polls have indicated), it’s hard to see him over-performing again in more-traditional battlegrounds such as Colorado, Nevada, and Virginia.
Vicente
2011 Jul 27, 1:20am
Darky or Mormon ?
It is a quandary wonder which way the NASCAR demographic will go,
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 1:51am
According to all of the polls I have seen, Obama would beat all of the declared candidates in their HOME STATE. Ouch, that has got to hurt. Romney would lose Mass. Pawlenty and Bachmann would lose Minnesota. And although they are not running, Palin would lose Alaska and Christie would lose New Jersey. Only Gary Johnson would win his home state. I will wait while you Google his name to find out who the heck he is.
B.A.C.A.H.
2011 Jul 27, 2:01am
Darky or Mormon ?
It is a quandary
Ask it a different way (in the minds of our Tea Partiers) : "Muslim or Mormon?"
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 2:22am
WHy is everyone assuming Romney is going to be the nominee? I really don't see that happening since he is Mormon and supported ObamaCare before he opposed it.
B.A.C.A.H.
2011 Jul 27, 2:26am
Watcher, I'm not assuming it.
The list of folks they don't hate is probably shorter than the list of those they do hate.
FortWayne
2011 Jul 27, 2:29am
I don't really see much interesting in Republican party. Ron Paul was the only interesting candidate to me, and it doesn't look like he will get the nomination.
Tea party at least in CA has been incredibly dormant.
2016 or so will be more interesting hopefully.
FortWayne
2011 Jul 27, 2:34am
showing a proposed bill to a very influential public speaker is a very very very very far cry from taking marching orders from one.
B.A.C.A.H.
2011 Jul 27, 2:39am
Tea party at least in CA has been incredibly dormant
True, but not some of the sympathies. Just ask the no on prop-8 folks.
The divide between Northern and Southern California is a phoney construct of Bay Area news media types' envy that they are not working in the biggest media market. The real divide is between Left Coast California and The Rest of California. If you look at the election maps, takeaway the Liberal Left Coast and the district in Sac with economy mainly driven by state tax receipts, and you will see nearly solid red.
Probably the Tea Party doesn't have the appeal in Red California because of the racism element of the Tea Party. But some of the sympathies are there, latent for a non-racist Tea Party movement. Besides voting for McCain/Palin, prop-8, GW Bush, etc., Red Californians are doing something else, too: unlike Cool and HIp Liberal Left Coasters who think children are too just too icky-poo for them to "do the kid thing", Red Californians are minting new voters.
It is only a matter of time before we're in the "red" column.
Vicente
2011 Jul 27, 3:40am
But he'd have no chance in the Republican primary if he ran on his actual record
You act like a voting record really matters.
Truthiness does not require boring things like remembering what happened yesterday. All you need to remember is what Fox News is telling you TODAY. If he gets the nod the troops will rally behind him and all previous offenses will have never existed.
bdrasin
2011 Jul 27, 3:46am
But he'd have no chance in the Republican primary if he ran on his actual record
You act like a voting record really matters.
Truthiness does not require boring things like remembering what happened yesterday. All you need to remember is what Fox News is telling you TODAY. If he gets the nod the troops will rally behind him and all previous offenses will have never existed.
Well, thats his game plan apparently. We'll see how well that works.
leo707
2011 Jul 27, 4:01am
It is only a matter of time before we're in the "red" column.
Yep, California is closer to being a red state that I think a lot of people realize. After all Regan was a Californian.
Vicente
2011 Jul 27, 4:09am
It is only a matter of time before we're in the "red" column.
Really? Possible, but I'd like to see the data.
I did find this:
leo707
2011 Jul 27, 4:09am
hell, I might have even voted for him if he hadn't disowned virtually his whole political legacy in a mad dash to the right.
This is what really disappointed me about McCain. I may have voted for him if he, but he could not fall over fast enough presenting his ass in the air for FOX's pleasure. That of course goes hand-in-hand with choosing Palin as a running mate.
With Romney though, I don't think I can get over the fact that he wears magic underwear. Sure, a lot of people have some pretty nutty beliefs, but I just can't imagine a scenario where having the leader of the free world thinking that his underpants have magical powers is a good thing.
leo707
2011 Jul 27, 4:12am
Truthiness does not require boring things like remembering what happened yesterday. All you need to remember is what Fox News is telling you TODAY. If he gets the nod the troops will rally behind him and all previous offenses will have never existed.
While this is in general totally true, I think that a lot of the core evangelical troops are still going to have a big problem with him being that anti-christ.
leo707
2011 Jul 27, 4:31am
core evangelical troops
Better dead than Red.
Better a WHITE Mormon than a ....
“Eagles are dandified vultures†- Teddy Roosevelt
Perhaps for some, but others think more like this:
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Vote-for-Romney-Is-a-Vote-for-the-LDS-Church-Warren-Cole-Smith-05-24-2011.html
I think they are going to try like hell to prevent him from getting the nomination. If he does get the nomination I don't think evangelicals are going to be voting for Obama, but there will be a lot less votes/support for Romney.
Sure, a lot of people have some pretty nutty beliefs, but I just can't imagine a scenario where having the leader of the free world thinking that his underpants have magical powers is a good thing.
And the heavens will part...and the President will use his pretend powers again and again.
Yes we can. With other people's money.
Um, you don't get it. If you're in West Virginia (many other rural states as well), places like Charleston ARE the big, bad urban areas.
Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq
2011 Jul 27, 6:14am
Republicans are imploding. McCain just woke up from a nap and called members of party of falsely raising expectations and acting "bizarre". Drudge has been reduced to whining that Obama doesn't have a plan. Speaker Boner has turned to Rush Limbaugh in desperation.
Obama is going to get on TV and invoke the 14th Amendment while saying "I told you not to call my bluff". He will then tell the American people that he supports a Balanced Budget Amendment that does not allow any cuts to entitlements and mandates tax increases on the rich if the budget isn't passed. He will stake his campaign on a Raise Jobs and Revenues Balanced Budget Amendment.
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 6:49am
California becoming a red state? Yeah, good luck with that. Virtually all of the GOP candidates in CA in 2010 got their butts kicked... Whitman, Fiorina, etc. And the GOP just lost the special election the other week.
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 6:53am
"Tell that to the Chileans who privatized. They are getting MORE than their fellow citizens who chose to stay with the old system."
Oh no you didn't!
Hidden fees. High fees have been a longstanding concern about the Chilean system. Due to lack of competition among private-sector money managers that participate in the system, these management companies' profits have been much larger than profit margins in other sectors of Chile’s financial services industry, wrote U.S. Social Security Administration researcher Barbara E. Kritzer in one paper.
Though the proportion of Chileans participating in the system has varied over time, the percentage has hovered around two-thirds, a rate similar to under the pre-1981 system. This is clearly less than the nearly universal coverage provided by the U.S. Social Security system.
The ad does have a point that the Chilean system, at least if it's implemented without major differences, would likely be seen by most Americans as inferior to Social Security. The size of the coverage gaps in Chile's system, while understandable given Chile's economic situation, would be unacceptable to many, if not most, Americans.p>
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 6:56am
Chile's Retirees Find Shortfall in Private Plan
But now that the first generation of workers to depend on the new system is beginning to retire, Chileans are finding that it is falling far short of what was originally advertised under the authoritarian government of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
Even many middle-class workers who contributed regularly are finding that their private accounts - burdened with hidden fees that may have soaked up as much as a third of their original investment - are failing to deliver as much in benefits as they would have received if they had stayed in the old system.
Dagoberto Sáez, for example, is a 66-year-old laboratory technician here who plans, because of a recent heart attack, to retire in March. He earns just under $950 a month; his pension fund has told him that his nearly 24 years of contributions will finance a 20-year annuity paying only $315 a month.
"Colleagues and friends with the same pay grade who stayed in the old system, people who work right alongside me," he said, "are retiring with pensions of almost $700 a month - good until they die. I have a salary that allows me to live with dignity, and all of a sudden I am going to be plunged into poverty, all because I made the mistake of believing the promises they made to us back in 1981."
"What we have is a system that is good for Chile but bad for most Chileans," said a government official who specializes in pension issues and who spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing retaliation from corporate interests. "If people really had freedom of choice, 90 percent of them would opt to go back to the old system."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/27/business/worldbusiness/27pension.html
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 27, 7:02am
"In fact, SCOTUS has ruled that he has to priortize those debts payments first."
In which case did they say this?
marcus
2011 Jul 27, 7:10am
marcus says
If we went to privatization, according to you, people would have nothing "in their accounts."
Really? Tell that to the Chileans who privatized. They are getting MORE than their fellow citizens who chose to stay with the old system.
I know, you don't understand right?
Let me break your contradiction down (actually just one of several in this thread).
At the end of your comment you said,
shrekgrinch says
Won't matter if the money isn't there. And, it isn't.
Earlier you said this:
shrekgrinch says
marcus says
the people who have paid in to social security are owed that money
SCOTUS has ruled explicitly otherwise. Nobody is legally entitled to that money. If we went with privatization, then people would have legal rights of ownership for whatever was in their accounts.
If the money is not there, and according to you the SCOTUS has ruled that the US government does not owe SS recipients,...
Then what would they fund the private accounts with should we switch over to such a system??
I don't know if you read many of Patricks links but this one was particularly choice.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07222011.html?source=patrick.net
There is no budget focus on the illegal wars and military occupations that the US government has underway in at least six countries or the 66-year old US occupations of Japan and Germany and the ring of military bases being constructed around Russia.
The total military/security budget is in the vicinity of $1.1-$1.2 trillion, or 70 per cent -75 per cent of the federal budget deficit.
In contrast, Social Security is solvent. Medicare expenditures are coming close to exceeding the 2.3 per cent payroll tax that funds Medicare, but it is dishonest for politicians and pundits to blame the US budget deficit on “entitlement programs.â€
Entitlements are funded with a payroll tax. Wars are not funded. The criminal Bush regime lied to Americans and claimed that the Iraq war would only cost $70 billion at the most and would be paid for with Iraq oil revenues. When Bush’s chief economic advisor, Larry Lindsay, said the Iraq invasion would cost $200 billion, Bush fired him. In fact, Lindsay was off by a factor of 20. Economic and budget experts have calculated that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have consumed $4,000 billion in out-of-pocket and already incurred future costs. In other words, the ongoing wars and occupations have already eaten up the $4 trillion by which Obama hopes to cut federal spending over the next ten years. Bomb now, pay later.
MisdemeanorRebel
2011 Jul 27, 9:55am
That's just the byline. And you must be kidding about Charleston being urban. It's about the same size as Corvallis, OR.
The School in question is in Boone County, known for it's mountaintop removal and coal mining. Tiny little towns between mountain valleys with a gas station and a Pentecostal Church.
B.A.C.A.H.
2011 Jul 27, 12:39pm
Grinch,
How do you know what President Obama is leaking and to whom?
elliemae
2011 Jul 28, 12:32am
Remember that Howard Dean was the Democratic front runner until there was an actual primary. No one liked that guy.
elliemae
2011 Jul 28, 12:37am
Rural values and meth labs have nothing to do with each other. Drugs are everywhere.
MisdemeanorRebel
2011 Jul 28, 1:31am
Point is there are still plenty of addicts (and crime, and problems) in places where there are no sidewalks.
Not all Rural areas are idyllic.
zzyzzx
2011 Jul 28, 3:13am
According to all of the polls I have seen, Obama would beat all of the declared candidates in their HOME STATE. Ouch, that has got to hurt. Romney would lose Mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_romney
Romney was born in Detroit.
Last time I checked, that was in Michigan.
HousingWatcher
2011 Jul 28, 6:31am
So the state will just raise other taxes. You can't win shrek. They will just raise income taxes.
simchaland
2011 Jul 28, 6:36am
Grinch,
How do you know what President Obama is leaking and to whom?
If he's leaking I hope that someone has introduced him to Poise. This can be quite embarrassing according to Whoopi Goldberg.
simchaland
2011 Jul 28, 6:40am
It is only a matter of time before we're in the "red" column.
Really? Possible, but I'd like to see the data.
I did find this:
“Eagles are dandified vultures†- Teddy Roosevelt
And how much of the increase in the "Red" counties is from coastal Liberals escaping the high costs of living on the coast, I wonder.
leo707
2011 Jul 28, 6:45am
And how much of the increase in the "Red" counties is from coastal Liberals escaping the high costs of living on the coast, I wonder.
That was my first thought.
I have known quite a few liberals (much more liberal than me, some might even call them hippies) move to those counties for just that reason.
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