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Why The GOP May Disintegrate


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2012 Sep 12, 12:26pm   59,368 views  96 comments

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It’s no stretch to say that we suffer a leadership vacuum. While Obama’s personal ratings are not terrible, Congress’s ratings have remained among the worst since the start of the Financial Crisis. These ratings have not improved an iota once the Republicans took control of the House. The presidential race this year features one candidate that doesn’t really deserve re-election based on performance and the other does not deserve to be President based on a paucity of ideas as well as political experience (not to mention his low likability ratings). Few voting this year can with a straight face say...

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50   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 12:10pm  

ACORN worker sentenced to 10 months for election fraud
VOTER REGISTRATION
November 18, 2010|By the CNN Wire Staff

An ACORN worker who submitted multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals before the 2008 election was sentenced Thursday to 10 months in prison, Wisconsin's attorney general said.

The worker, Kevin Clancy, also admitted that he and other ACORN workers registered each other to vote multiple times in order to meet voter registration quotas imposed by the community organizing organization, said Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen.

Clancy pleaded guilty to one count of falsely procuring voter registration as party to a crime, Van Hollen said. The election worker faced more than 3 years in prison and a $10,000 fine, Van Hollen said in a news release from Milwaukee.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-18/justice/election.worker.sentenced_1_van-hollen-voter-registration-acorn-worker?_s=PM:CRIME

51   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 12:17pm  

Court Temporarily Restores Ban on ACORN Funding
Submitted by Carl Horowitz on Sun, 04/25/2010 - 23:45

http://nlpc.org/stories/2010/04/25/circuit-court-temporarily-restores-ban-acorn-funding

On Wednesday, April 21, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit temporarily reinstated a congressional ban on further public funding of the scandal-ridden group. The three-judge panel in Manhattan effectively overturned a lower court order barring enforcement of the cutoff, concluding that full arguments must be heard first. And they will be this summer.

National Legal and Policy Center on many occasions has skewered ACORN and its hundreds of state and local chapters for internal mismanagement and flagrant lawbreaking in the service of its professed higher idealism. Formed in 1970, ACORN members had been accused or convicted of embezzlement, tax evasion, voter registration fraud and other offenses.

52   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 12:19pm  

Voter-fraud task force raids office backing Obama

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/08/voter-fraud-task-force-raids-nevada-office-backing/?page=all

A Nevada voter-fraud task force Tuesday raided the state headquarters of a Democrat-allied organization that works to get low-income people to vote, setting off a skirmish over efforts to expand the electorate on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama.

Authorities searched the Las Vegas office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with duplicate and false names, including names of former Dallas Cowboys players.

Bob Walsh, a spokesman for Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, whose office leads the task force, stressed that ACORN was not charged with a crime but served with a search warrant as part of an ongoing investigation.

“We went in and seized computer equipment and documents,” he said.

53   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 12:21pm  

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/#ixzz2AB9K7aUd

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/

Former workers across the country already are being punished for their criminal activities.

In Miami, seven former ACORN voter registration canvassers were convicted of "false swearing-in an election," and sentenced to probation and community service and banned from participating in future political campaigns, according to court documents.

In Pennsylvania, six of seven former ACORN workers who were charged in an investigation were convicted of unsworn falsification and interference with election officials. Four have reached a plea agreement on reduced charges and will serve two years of probation. Cases against two others who entered pleas to reduced charges are pending.

Charges against the seventh, Eric Jordan, are not being prosecuted because Jordan has pleaded guilty to much more serious charges, including aggravated assault, resisting arrest and carrying firearms without a license.

In Milwaukee, three former ACORN workers have been convicted of election fraud.

Last week, Kevin Clancy was sentenced to 10 months in prison for his role in submitting falsified voter registration forms before the 2008 election. Clancy will start his sentence once he finishes another sentence he is currently serving for armed robbery.

Clancy's co-worker, Maria Miles, who pleaded guilty to election fraud in August, will be sentenced on Dec. 6.

In September, Frank Walton pleaded guilty to submitting 54 fake voter registrations during the 2008 presidential campaign. He faces up to 42 months in prison and a $10,000 fine when he's sentenced Dec. 6.

In Washington state, Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted in March of voter registration fraud in the 2006 midterm election.

In Nevada, a former ACORN supervisor pleaded the equivalent of a no-contest in a case alleging that canvassers were illegally paid to register voters during the 2008 campaign. But while Amy Busefink's plea acknowledges the state had evidence for a conviction at trial, her lawyer said she still plans to challenge the constitutionality of the state law prohibiting paying canvassers based on the number of voter registration forms they turn in.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-

54   marcus   2012 Oct 23, 1:46pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

Voter-fraud task force raids office backing Obama

Are you too lazy ? Or is there some other reason that you don't even know what this is about ?

We're talking about low wage workers who were payed very small amounts to register voters. They registered some fake names because they got payed according to the number of people they registered.

It's bad, criminal in a misdemeanor kind of a way (more serious actually - because it involved elections) but it doesn't have anything to do with anyone trying to rig elections. It was about small small time people cheating on their job which happened to registering voters.

In Nevada it's illegal to have incentives tied to number of voters registered, so in that case I don't think it was only about workers cheating but rather what Acorn did that was technically cheating. But still, it was hardly major voter fraud. But breaking the state law, yes. And in some cases making up names of voters registered (for pay). Nothing to do with rigging elections as Fox woulld like it's retarded audience to think.

I'm sure you still don't get it, but that's okay.

If you are curious, here's the story (or one of them) without the right wing spin.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?_r=0

Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon characters.

“This is not a case of voter fraud, it’s a case of voter registration fraud,” Mr. Miller said. “I’m very confident that none of these fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration rolls or to cast votes.”

55   marcus   2012 Oct 23, 1:53pm  

What's it like to be that clueless ?

56   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 2:15pm  

marcus says

But still, it was hardly major voter fraud.

does anyone here want to claim.... no Acorn member was convicted of voter fraud ?

you can read from Fox news or CNN.

57   marcus   2012 Oct 23, 2:25pm  

DO you want to claim that you understand what they did exactly and what potential impact it had on elections ?

(that is other than the actual impact of registering democratic voters (the evil bastards)).

Thomas, what ever you do, don't read any stories on this from legitimate sources. You might learn exactly what crime was committed and what crime wasn't.

We are talking voter registration fraud. Basically extremely small time cheating.

IT was wrong (at the level of individual small time cheaters). But luckily (or coincidentally) it allowed them to shut down an organization that was registering a lot of democratic voters (ie voters in poor neighborhoods).

I know, I know. You aren't going to get it. You can't get it. I do feel sorry for you.

58   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 2:28pm  

Yes, Virginia, There Really Is Voter Fraud

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky

Eric Shawn at FOX News reports that two Troy city officials, the city clerk and a councilman, along with two Democratic political operatives, have pled guilty to forging absentee-ballot signatures and casting fraudulent ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary. The WFP is the political party associated with ACORN.

One of the citizens whose votes were stolen was stunned at what happened. She said that she was “sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it’s very rare that they do get caught.” This voter was right on the money with that observation — fraud is so easy to commit in our election system that it is rare that fraudsters get caught and even rarer that they get prosecuted.

As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”

That is exactly what former Alabama congressman Artur Davis said recently when he admitted that he was wrong to oppose voter-ID requirements. Davis says the “most aggressive” voter suppression “is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt” of Alabama, which is an area of very poor black communities. These are the very areas where the NAACP claims voter fraud does not happen. The NAACP opposes all reasonable measures to safeguard the voting process for its own constituents, even going to the extent of defending vote stealers, as the NAACP did in Greene County, Ala., in the mid-1990s. Small wonder one of its local officials was recently sentenced to five years in prison for voter fraud in Tunica County, Mississippi.

59   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 2:29pm  

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-is-a-proven-election-manipulation-tactic

Voter Fraud Is a Proven Election Manipulation Tactic

The Supreme Court answered this question in 2008 when it upheld Indiana's voter ID law. "Flagrant examples of such fraud … have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists," the court said, "[and] not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election." But ask voters in Troy, N.Y., Lincoln County, W.Va., and Florida whether voter fraud is a real problem.

Four local officials and party activists were convicted in 2011 of voter fraud in Troy for forging enough absentee ballots to "likely have tipped the city council and county elections" in 2009. Two veteran Democratic political operatives said voter fraud is an accepted way of winning elections. One of them who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told police that such fraud was a "normal political tactic."

60   marcus   2012 Oct 23, 2:33pm  

Changing the subject I see, since the whole acorn thing didn't pan out ?

thomaswong.1986 says

Four local officials and party activists were convicted in 2011 of voter fraud in Troy for forging enough absentee ballots to

Was that something that voter ID laws would have prevented ?

What is it ? Are you now arguing that voter ID laws instituted weeks before an election aren't about voter suppression ?

I know it's not becasue you're embarrassed by the behavior of republicans.

61   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 2:54pm  

marcus says

Changing the subject I see, since the whole acorn thing didn't pan out ?

where is Acorn today ? Gone! all due to their culture of corruption.

marcus says

Was that something that voter ID laws would have prevented ?

that should be obvious "the bigger picture" what the benefits of ID laws for its citizens would provide

.... real documented citizens given proper access to voting, fast tax refunds, proper distribution of the SS benefits and medicare not to mention access to other benefits when needed. Certainly we would have saved $ 3.4B fraudulent tax refunds and $12B in false Medicare claims. That kind of money could better serve the poor who really need it. All you need is an Citizen ID system. We have the means and it wouldnt cost the govt a dime!

It all makes sense... if the private sector has controls which work, it certainly wouldnt pain the government to adopt equal measures to ensure proper govt operations.

It fucking petrifies the Left that American business can do it cheaper and more efficiently.

Yes, American Industry did that ! That is why the Left is so afraid of Romney....

62   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 3:08pm  

marcus says

voter suppression

no.. its just good business and best practices in operations....

The Supreme Court has upheld such laws, ruling in 2008 that "the inconvenience of making a trip to the DMV, gather the required documents, and posing for a photograph surely does not qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting."

Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito concurred with the plurality opinion, and noted "The burden of acquiring, possessing, and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.'"

Recent studies have shown little to no evidence that voter integrity efforts hurt minorities. In fact, new photo ID laws in Georgia, Indiana and Mississippi resulted in higher black voter turnout in subsequent elections.

63   Philistine   2012 Oct 23, 4:01pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

the inconvenience of making a trip to the DMV, gather the required documents, and posing for a photograph surely does not qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting

Nonsense. This is why reasonable people question last minute proposals of ID laws. In Los Angeles, you have to schedule an appointment over the phone 3-4 weeks ahead just to get in a 4 hour line at the DMV, usually requiring you to take a day off from work.

It's instructive that these voter ID laws never get time on the floor until September/October every election year.

64   Philistine   2012 Oct 23, 4:03pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito concurred

Laws have been repealed. Prohibition was overturned. Judges can be jesters.

65   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 23, 5:51pm  

Philistine says

Laws have been repealed. Prohibition was overturned. Judges can be jesters.

And many stay on the books for a long long time ... because they make sense.

Philistine says

In Los Angeles, you have to schedule an appointment over the phone 3-4 weeks ahead just to get in a 4 hour line at the DMV, usually requiring you to take a day off from work.

Thats LA..dysfunctional as hell and thankfully LA does not represent rest of the USA..

66   Vicente   2012 Oct 24, 3:31am  

AverageBear,

Jumping in... where has this Thomas PROVEN voter fraud at the retail level to be a huge problem requiring measures?

I have relatives in North Carolina where just about every election there's some vague allegations of fraud. Which never pan out. It must be painful to be GOP in that situation. Sad really, I'd think they'd want mandatory IQ testing of GOP politicians by now or lie detectors on a regular basis to explain why their people are such miserable failures at catching the rampant long-term voter-fraud machine they think exists.

But it's enough to MISDIRECT PEOPLE and make them run in circles doing ineffective things isn't it. Best to keep the peasants busy. That explains the TSA and lots of other GOP handiwork.

67   edvard2   2012 Oct 24, 3:40am  

To more directly answer the original post, which is why the GOP might disintegrate is that unless they decide to switch gears and start appealing to a wider demographic, they will simply lose relevance. The plan they've used for decades is to appeal mainly to one single demographic. That demographic could almost always be counted on to vote for them and since at one time were the most significant as a percentage meant they would usually stand a good chance of winning on that alone.

The problem for them is that by the nature of the country's changing demographics, the groups that the GOP tends to not appeal to are growing in size and significance. A quick glance at any video or image of a GOP event clearly shows an almost exclusively singular demographic. Democratic events on the other hand are very mixed and diverse. So with the shift in population, this means that unless the GOP changes the appeal they have- which as mentioned is only to one specific group- then they will simply lose relevance.

Those in the GOP aren't dumb. I would wager that this will be the last election that the GOP will continue on with business as usual and there will likely be a significant change in their tactics the next cycle.

68   Vicente   2012 Oct 24, 3:49am  

edvard2 says

Those in the GOP aren't dumb. I would wager that this will be the last election that the GOP will continue on with business as usual and there will likely be a significant change in their tactics the next cycle.

Disagree. A chunk of GOP will have to DIE or be forcibly deposed, before a significant change will occur. The "deport all wetbacks" crowd to name just one, isn't going to change their rhetoric one bit. They expend a LOT of effort on purity testing in the primary process to see to it, that no candidate with truly liberal views on immigration gets near the nomination.

69   gbenson   2012 Oct 24, 4:04am  

I had respect for the 'old school' Republicans, even though I disagreed with them on policy issues. This new crowd is just off the rails insane.

70   Philistine   2012 Oct 24, 4:06am  

thomaswong.1986 says

And many stay on the books for a long long time ... because they make sense

Deliberately missing the point. The reason laws can be repealed is that they are not the infallible word of God. Just because something is illegal does not make it necessarily wrong. Just because something is not illegal, does not necessarily make it right.

71   upisdown   2012 Oct 24, 4:53am  

But the plutocrats that write Grover checks put a lot more zeros on them than the bottom economic and low-information voters of the right wing.

Remember: The 2 people that are running as republicans for the president and vice-president are.......

(president)Mitt Romney, cult member AND leader, and who was passed over by John McCain and the republican party in favor of SARAH PALIN in 2008!!!!

And,(vice-president)Paul Ryan, whose only big-boy job was driving the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile around and handing out free samples of their Lunchables. But hey, sucking up to the Koch brothers pays better than placating the extremists.

It kind of makes Obama and Biden look like a shoe-in.

72   curious2   2012 Oct 24, 5:06am  

upisdown says

It kind of makes Obama and Biden look like a shoe-in.

They would be, except for ObamneyCare. The irony of that is, the Republicans nominated the only other person in the country who ever signed the same thing. So, while most people don't support it, they're caught between the candidate who supports it currently and the candidate who alternates between supporting it, promising to repeal all of it, promising to keep parts of it, promising to repeal it again...

When one major party goes totally bonkers, you might expect the other to win easily, but in practice the entire two-party system loses.

73   leo707   2012 Oct 24, 5:56am  

thomaswong.1986 says

Acorn worker WAS convicted of voter fraud.

No, he was convicted of voter registration fraud. Very different.

How many illicit votes were cast as a result of this fraud...

...zero.

74   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 24, 6:45am  

Vicente says

The "deport all wetbacks" crowd to name just one, isn't going to change their rhetoric one bit. They expend a LOT of effort on purity testing in the primary process to see to it, that no candidate with truly liberal views on immigration gets near the nomination.

The term 'wetbacks' often spoken by native Californian born Mexican-Americans back in the 70s. The same native Californians who been here for several generations.

Anyway, its common sense to deport since illegals are legal citizens of a foreign govt.

As for immigration, we have legal process in place which allows plenty of Asian, Europeans, and Latin Americans to come to our nation... LEGALLY!

75   upisdown   2012 Oct 24, 7:03am  

AverageBear says

But basically, we all agree that as one of "heads" of the househould, that when we pay our bills on time, live within our means, have no debt (or no crushing debt) we are considered smart. When we try and expect this same quality/trait from our gov't, we are considered 'extreme' or 'cultish'. WTF? Not being owned by China is 'cultish'?

Did you vote for Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. then? Let's review things.
The past 50 years to 2010
repulican democrat
yrs as president 28 22
tot jobs created 24 m 42 m
st market return 109% 992%
return p/yr 2.7% 11%
GDP growth p/yr 2.7% 4.1%
income growth p/yr 0.6% 2.2%

sourcs: Dept. of Labor, and Bloomberg

Reagan debt increase: 1st term-49%, 2nd-40%
Bush Sr debt increase: 33%
Bush Jr debt increase: 1st term-23%, 2nd-19%

87% of interest paid was on debt incurred by Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr., or $8400 Billion.

AverageBear says

No, I think the fiscal conservative that DID exist in the Democrat party has been lynched, so to speak.

Why do or did you vote for ANY of those three republican preidents above if you are even remotely worried about the national debt???

76   edvard2   2012 Oct 24, 7:10am  

AverageBear says

I love it when liberals equate fiscal responsibility with 'cult'. I mentioned the following in a thread here on Patrick.net over the summer, and i don't think many liberals had much to say (I'll have to go over my comments to confirm this)... But basically, we all agree that as one of "heads" of the househould, that when we pay our bills on time, live within our means, have no debt (or no crushing debt) we are considered smart.

The problem with that sort of assumption is that for some reason a lot of Republicans automatically assume that their party somehow is the party that's all about fiscal responsibility when in fact their party spends like drunken sailors and often on pointless programs and efforts. Their party is no angel when it comes to fiscal responsibility. Yet they continually complain whenever a Democratic Presidents is in power and say nothing when a Republican gets elected and spends like mad.

77   Vicente   2012 Oct 24, 7:10am  

thomaswong.1986 says

Anyway, its common sense to deport since illegals are legal citizens of a foreign govt.

Why GOP so harsh in jabber about seriousness, and PURITY of approach, but unwilling to attack it that way?

Anytime GOP'er talks about drugs, they like the idea of taking down kingpins. Maximum bang for buck, locking up scumbags, etc. etc. Would you let dealers skate free and only with users "throw away the key"? No.

Talk about HUGE FINES & JAIL TIME for employers of illegals and suddenly GOP'ers want to change subject. It's not hard, walk into any chicken-processing plant in Georgia or Alabama and ask why nearly all the employees speak only Spanish and have fake papers and who hired them. Arrest that person, because there's no frickin' way they were TOTALLY FOOLED several hundred times. Repeat that in public examples and your "problem" will vanish in a few years.

They should "self-deport" that's the most lily-livered hypocrite line I've heard recently from RMoney.

78   Vicente   2012 Oct 24, 7:22am  

AverageBear says

I love it when liberals equate fiscal responsibility with 'cult'.

Norquist runs a BS CULT, because "fiscal responsibility" would mean a balanced budget and that returning taxes to Reagan-levels ALONG WITH budget cuts would be acceptable to get there. His hardline "cut taxes always" stance is lunacy of the sort like "let's balance our household budget by cutting our income, THAT'LL solve things". Norquist cult detached from reality wants to implement only the easy popular part and we'll get around to the real meat after we're all dead right? Likes to cut taxes & blab about deficits, doesn't want to make hard choices and do anything about it. Name me a major cut in a large budget category the GOP has carried out in the last couple decades. GOP should "die by it's sword" and actually try to implement it's alleged hardline position by cutting SS & Medicare & defense, then they'll get my respect back and I'll remove the cult label.

79   thomaswong.1986   2012 Oct 24, 7:30am  

Vicente says

Anytime GOP'er talks about drugs, they like the idea of taking down kingpins. Maximum bang for buck, locking up scumbags, etc. etc. Would you let dealers skate free and only with users "throw away the key"? No.

Drugs... you could start by napalming the Heroin fields in Afghanistan and the Coca fields in Columbia and Bolivia... after all who would complain ?

I would call that maximum bang for the buck...

80   upisdown   2012 Oct 24, 9:44am  

Barlowe says

Nice, and now the Dems got caught red-handed admitting to forging utility bills to get around Virginia's Voter ID law:

Where's the mug shot, arrest info, and police report......if that really happened?

81   upisdown   2012 Oct 24, 10:15am  

Barlowe says

Hmm...seems to be that the onus on disproving such things rests with those who make the accusations.
So, in that light: please prove that the Dem Field Operations guy caught red-handed isn't really a Dem Field Operations guy and prove that he was lying.
Good luck with that.

You posted the video and are making the claim that it is real, true and valid. So, not only do I not have to prove anythng, but what was supposedly done on the video is a felony, and yet...........no arrest, police report or even a major media story about the incident since the election is less than 2 weeks away. Huh, none of those things are available or provided, just some hack putting a video on youtube.

Or are you trying to claim that if the video is actually real, what was alledged is NOT illegal?

82   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 10:36am  

AverageBear says

it's clear Thomas is clearly showing you TONS of evidence of voter fraud. Your attempt to label voter fraud as "criminial in a misdeameor kind of way" is hilarious.

Okay, so what I hear is that you also don't want to understand what the registration fraud (not voter fraud) was, that some acorn people were guilty of.

This means that you didn't read my comment any further, so I will do the same with you. Not reading any further. Good luck with your closed minded emotion filled point of view.

83   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 10:45am  

Poor saps want to justify introducing voter ID rules right before an election when the expected result is obvioius to all.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9BovRXWemws

And then they want to remind us of the heinous crime of registration fraud perpetrated by acorn back in 2008 (good thing ACORN was stopped !!!).

And they want to tell us that type of voter fraud, the kind where individuals actually go in and represent a fraudulent voter on election day is real and significant.

What, all of this because you know you are a member of the the party that has ablolutely no moral compass. The party that could care less about real American vaues ? When you kill voting and fair elections, it's over.

84   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 10:48am  

And about voting machines. I don't know who is at fault or which side benefits, but how is it that there is even any question about technology used in tabulating vote counts ??

Really !!??

2012, and we are insecure about the integrity of our elections more than ever because we can't figure out a 100% safe way to count votes ?

WTF ?

85   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 10:54am  

MAybe part of the plan, in a post 1984 world is that if you are going to rig elections you have to hire dozens of dimbulbs to hit the various blogs and forums with claims that

"Oohhh it's the dems that want to cheat, they are the ones that rig elections. Acorn 2008. Chicago 1960,....etc...."

86   gbenson   2012 Oct 24, 10:59am  

Barlowe says

After the O'Keefe video exposing the Dems s

Anything O'Keefe says is as best a half truth and grossly distorted. He made is own bed on that one...

87   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 11:02am  

And we pride ourselves on being the model for the world and what, we supposedly set the standard for how democratic elections should be done ?

88   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 11:06am  

I looked it up.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/james_okeefe_violates_election_law_to_prove_liberals_violate_election_law/

O’Keefe has pretty clearly violated the law and TPM reports that a federal prosecutor is reviewing his video. But at least he finally proved that voter fraud is a very real threat, and one that could lead to upward of a couple of phony ballots being cast in a statewide primary election, depending on how many registered voters died quite recently. As we all know, once you prove that something is hypothetically possible, it is a factual certainty that ACORN has done it.

And that new voter ID laws right before a PResidential election that is sure to skew the election by at least 10s of thousands of votes, is justified.

89   marcus   2012 Oct 24, 11:08am  

Barlowe, you are only proving one thing...and it's about your intelligence.

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