patrick.net

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/11/5106731/jerry-brown-says-californias-budget.html

So essentially what they did is took a $16 B deficit and raised taxes $15+ B. Virtually zero cuts.

I have no problem with that. Good for them - tax themselves into oblivion.

I'm sure that will all work out very well for them.

zzyzzx says

Increasing taxes and throwing more money at the teacher's union isn't a good thing.

THey have been doing massive cut backs in education spending for 4 years. As a California teacher, 2013 will be the fist time since 2007 that I will be paid as much as I was in 2007.

That's what you call throwing money at the teachers union ? You're spouting nothing more than a right wing nonsensical propaganda sound bite.

Schools have had massive cuts in everything from clerical, to custodial to teachers, with increased class sizes and furlough days. We've been in SEVERE cut back mode for years. Our union has tried to fight RIFs (teacher lay offs) but because of the massive lay offs, you haven't heard unions asking for higher pay.

THe bullshit ignorant propaganda gets really old. How can a person so religiously pride themselves on beliefs based only on ignorance and lies?

I guarantee that the increases in spending doesn't put California education spending back to 2007 levels.

MEanwhile we are still what, 47th in spending per student ?

As for pension liabilities, they have to do more, but this was a start.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/california-pension-reform-bill_n_1878662.html

It's less than what Brown wanted, but they're t least making some progress.

next on the agenda: prop 13. It's time Grandpa and Grandma paid their fair share.

zzyzzx says

Increasing taxes and throwing more money at the teacher's union isn't a good thing. They will be back at the trough in a couple of months. This budget doesn't deal with CA's biggest problem: Pension liabilities.

Brown’s California shows that Democrats can deliver a fiscally conservative budget that stresses progressive priorities, while asking those who can afford it to contribute a little more.

A 5% budget increase while providing more welfare benefits isn't conservative,/I>!

So a democratic state with a democratic govener, democratic congress, democratic public spending their money on what they think is important and maintaining a surplus is a problem?

I can't find a good history of total California education spending since 2007.

Here is something new I was unaware of: California's per student k - 12 spending has dropped to 49th. I hope you right wingers are proud.

https://www.edsource.org/today/2013/california-drops-to-49th-in-school-spending-in-annual-ed-week-report/25379#.UPSyYW8qY1I

Quigley says

next on the agenda: prop 13. It's time Grandpa and Grandma paid their fair share.

I could not agree more.

Quigley says

It's time Grandpa and Grandma paid their fair share.

I agree.

Even more so the commercial properties that have raked it in as their sales revenue and net income increased while property taxes remained at levels from decades ago. It must be nice.

kochevnik says

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/11/5106731/jerry-brown-says-californias-budget.html

So essentially what they did is took a $16 B deficit and raised taxes $15+ B. Virtually zero cuts.

I have no problem with that. Good for them - tax themselves into oblivion.

I'm sure that will all work out very well for them.

I guess you could say that if you don't include the 4 years of massive budget cuts to state and local governments

marcus says

2013 will be the fist time since 2007 that I will be paid as much as I was in 2007.

you think the private industry has been getting raises since 2007 ?

you think the private industry hasnt been losing jobs as employers moved jobs to other states ?

marcus says

Here is something new I was unaware of: California's per student k - 12 spending has dropped to 49th. I hope you right wingers are proud.

whats there to spend on ?

Free Govt facilities ? Free Govt Utilities ? Donated Equipment ?

where exactly has your Billions spending gone to over the years ?

how much of the LOTTO REVENUE has been sent on education
over the past 25 years ?

thomaswong.1986 says

you think the private industry has been getting raises since 2007 ?

you think the private industry hasnt been losing jobs as employers moved jobs to other states ?

No. And I don't think I sounded like I was comparing the public sector to the private sector.

I was responding to this ignorant propaganda:

zzyzzx says

Increasing taxes and throwing more money at the teacher's union isn't a good thing.

When someone talks about "throwing money at the tachers union"(which is just teachers by the way), the implication is that they are asking for so much more than what is fair or what is needed.

How do you explain California being 49th (as of 2010) in per student spending, if the union causes so much money to be wasted on teachers ? (note: the main cost in the per pupil spending is teachers salaries, and the number of students per class).

marcus says

How do you explain California being 49th (as of 2010) in per student spending, if the union causes so much money to be wasted on teachers ? (note: the main cost in the per pupil spending is teachers salaries, and the number of students per class).

poor performance matrix if you are shooting to spend billions per student !

that would get you to number one and still fail...

so how are you managing your actual success ...

higher no. and percentage of graduates with high scores...

higher no. and percentage accepted/admitted to college.

So.. you have less money... welcome to the real world.. just like the private industries..

There's only one thing that you have proven to me, many times over.

zzyzzx says

Increasing taxes and throwing more money at the teacher's union isn't a good thing. They will be back at the trough in a couple of months. This budget doesn't deal with CA's biggest problem: Pension liabilities.

Brown’s California shows that Democrats can deliver a fiscally conservative budget that stresses progressive priorities, while asking those who can afford it to contribute a little more.

A 5% budget increase while providing more welfare benefits isn't conservative!

Quigley says

next on the agenda: prop 13. It's time Grandpa and Grandma paid their fair share.

They'll try I'm sure of it. They'll screw everything else if they have to as long as they can keep on stealing public funds and get their pensions paid. Sadly in a state with a very high cost of living driving young people out of it already.

marcus says

Here is something new I was unaware of: California's per student k - 12 spending has dropped to 49th. I hope you right wingers are proud.

https://www.edsource.org/today/2013/california-drops-to-49th-in-school-spending-in-annual-ed-week-report/25379#.UPSyYW8qY1I

California’s per-student spending of $8,482 is still to high, even if it is 47th place. Compared to other countries it's outrageously expensive. More spending is not better (these I think are 2003 numbers which is why they look low).

This old line again?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/632696/-Debate-Myth-U-S-1-in-Education-Spending

Despite agenda pushers on either side, it turns out that the us is basically average among wealthy nations when it comes to primary education, and unsurpassed when it comes to the upper echelons of higher education (more than half of the top 50 universities are here).

I thinks spend money two much edukashin for peeplz.