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I wonder how many towns with populations of 15,000 - 35,000 have gone 30 years without any gun deaths.

I'm guessing that out of the 18,000 or so cities, towns and villages in the U.S., and a conservative guess that maybe a third to a half of those are in the 15 - 35K range, probably about a third of those would have gone 30 years without a gun death.

2000

Yeah, it's a total guess. But I would bet for sure, that at least 1000 small towns, cities or village have had no gun deaths in 30 years.

That's why the guards with guns in every school is so ridiculous.

If I'm wrong, then make it 2 or less gun deaths in 30 years, and for sure it's at least 1000 small towns, villages or cities.

Oh wait. It says "as a victim, attacker or defender"

Does that mean that when a little girl accidently shoots herself or her brother, that doesn't count ?

"He said there have been few accidental shootings in Kennesaw in his 20 years with the department, and none involving children."

http://defensiveshootinginstructors.com/kennesaw-georgia-sticks-to-its-guns-law-requires-firearms/

So I guess it's a trade off. Less burglaries, but more accidental gun deaths. The town grew from 5000 in 1980 to over 30,000 now.

He said a few. What does that mean ? Maybe 4 or 5 ?

Where is the freedom in that ? The local government ' requires me to own and maintain a gun ' Reeks of big government and Socialism , Commie dogs !

grinderman says

Where is the freedom in that ? The local government ' requires me to own and maintain a gun ' Reeks of big government and Socialism , Commie dogs !

I completely agree. If it's OK.I would like to put a twist on what you said.
Fuck them.

I will have to admit that when every man, woman & child is fully armed there will never be another gun death. ROFLMAO

marcus says

Oh wait. It says "as a victim, attacker or defender"

Does that mean that when a little girl accidently shoots herself or her brother, that doesn't count ?

I think you & I both know that the 2nd trumps the life of any American including bullet riddled bodies of 6 & 7 yr.olds. sarcasm

Not a single source for any of the "statistics" in that article.

grinderman says

Where is the freedom in that ? The local government ' requires me to own and maintain a gun ' Reeks of big government and Socialism , Commie dogs !

It's funny, thats a good point. How is forcing someone to own a gun different from forcing someone to own a healthcare policy. Its not, there is no difference.

It is estimated that in the Old West, for every settler who was killed by a Native American, at least 100 died as a result of gun accidents, many involving alcohol.

If you keep a gun in your house, and there are children around, they will find it, guaranteed, and play with it, maybe discharging it.

I think the possibility of somebody being hurt by a gun in my house is a lot greater than the possibility of me being hurt by a burglar or home invader.

I'm not anti gun, but most people just don't have the sense to own or use them.

kentm says

It's funny, thats a good point. How is forcing someone to own a gun different from forcing someone to own a healthcare policy. Its not, there is no difference.

No, silly - things that Obama does are bad, but things that right-wingers do are good.

Homeboy says

Not a single source for any of the "statistics" in that article.

This is Patrick.net. Everyone knows we don't back anything we say with facts. LMAO

IDDQD says

Ceffer says

If you keep a gun in your house, and there are children around, they will find it, guaranteed, and play with it, maybe discharging it.

I think the possibility of somebody being hurt by a gun in my house is a lot greater than the possibility of me being hurt by a burglar or home invader.

Sorry, but if this is the case in your house, you are not coming across as a very bright person. Hint: gun safes are widely available and quite affordable if you can afford a gun. Buy one!

That's me, Mr. Stupid. Obviously, all the bright people have guns.

"Hey, that guy has more guns than me, he must be a lot smarter!"

In CA they banned guns when politicians felt threatened by folks showing up with guns to public political events. Politicians like to do the intimidation, they lack the backbone when it's done to them.

I think 2nd amendment was working as intended when politicians were in check. Today that part is missing in CA.

Or maybe nobody should feel threatened at public events?

Call it Crazy says

Do you get to pick and choose which Socialism you want??

Gov't forced Socialism to buy a gun = Bad?

Gov't forced Socialism to buy healthcare = Good?

You can't have it both ways you know!!

Should I then assume that the advocates and supporters of the mandatory gun owning law also support Obama care?

There were no deaths in that town cause they're all related to each other.
Cue banjo music.

kentm says

the small town of Kennesaw

It's a suburb of Atlanta, not a "small town".

FortWayne says

In CA they banned guns when politicians felt threatened by folks showing up with guns to public political events. Politicians like to do the intimidation, they lack the backbone when it's done to them.

I think 2nd amendment was working as intended when politicians were in check. Today that part is missing in CA.

I'm pretty sure every sentence in this post is false.

Homeboy says

FortWayne says

In CA they banned guns when politicians felt threatened by folks showing up with guns to public political events. Politicians like to do the intimidation, they lack the backbone when it's done to them.

I think 2nd amendment was working as intended when politicians were in check. Today that part is missing in CA.

I'm pretty sure every sentence in this post is false.

FW is right on target...and there are many who back his comment.

marcus says

I wonder how many towns with populations of 15,000 - 35,000 have gone 30 years without any gun deaths.

I'm guessing that out of the 18,000 or so cities, towns and villages in the U.S., and a conservative guess that maybe a third to a half of those are in the 15 - 35K range, probably about a third of those would have gone 30 years without a gun death.

2000

Yeah, it's a total guess. But I would bet for sure, that at least 1000 small towns, cities or village have had no gun deaths in 30 years.

That's why the guards with guns in every school is so ridiculous.

If I'm wrong, then make it 2 or less gun deaths in 30 years, and for sure it's at least 1000 small towns, villages or cities.

I was born and raised outside of a town with a population of less than 8,000 .. it is still under 10,000 to this day ... and it was, in the 70's and 80's, in the top ten of per-cap murders. It has multiple murders every year still, and so does most every other small town around here like it. So, as far as in the central valley of California, I disagree. I happen to sleep in a well protected home, but I drive and work naked .. well, almost naked. Ok, not naked, just gun-less. I keep a ball bat with me at all times, mainly incase of pitbull problems.

marcus says

That's why the guards with guns in every school is so ridiculous.

but ... Lord BArry and his spawn are protected in the very manner you suggest is not a good idea. So, remove all of the weapons protecting Lord Barry and his spawn first, that will show he's serious.

Bap we don't want to discuss this one. You get extra retarded when it comes to your guns.

By the way over 90% of Americans are for better background checks.

Even 85% of republicans and 75% of NRA members are for this.

I wonder what percent of NRA members (not their fucked up leadership) can comprehend that nobody is coming for your guns.

Just say no to propaganda.

Bap33 says

So, remove all of the weapons protecting Lord Barry and his spawn first, that will show he's serious.

You must know how stupid this sounds.

Or is it that since the election you have lost the small remaining partial semblance of sanity you previously had retained ?

Bap33 says

So, as far as in the central valley of California, I disagree. I happen to sleep in a well protected home, but I drive and work naked .. well, almost naked. Ok, not naked, just gun-less. I keep a ball bat with me at all times, mainly incase of pitbull problems.

How sad for you.

thomaswong.1986 says

FW is right on target...and there are many who back his comment.

Uh, no, he's not on target, and there are many who don't back his comment.

I'm rubber and you're glue - nyah, nyah.

Call it Crazy says

Just compare the laws that get passed in CA versus Texas, that should give you the answer if it's true or false.

That makes no sense. What happens in Texas has nothing to do with whether California "banned guns". Texas lost me when they decided to execute retarded people.

Homeboy,
Did did they execute all Republicans & Tea Baggers in Texas?

Call it Crazy says

Please prove links or stats that support your statements.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/?tag=nl.e879&s_cid=e879

Correction 89% of republicans.

THe 75% of NRA members number I have heard tossed around a lot before this was done. I'll leave it to you to find that poll. But this one said "85 percent of those living in a household with a member of the National Rifle Association."

Support for universal background checks went across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and 93 percent of Democrats and independents were in favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and 85 percent of those living in a household with a member of the National Rifle Association.

THat poster "You think criminals will obey gun control laws......you must be a special kind of stupid," is ironic. Because only a special kind of stupid would be so arrogant about holding on to stupid views.

If it's true that 40% of gun sales happen now without background checks, and it's also true that in major cities, a significant percentage of murders are committed by extremely low level small time criminal teeagers,...

are you then going to tell me that you believe that if we started having 100% of guns sales done with background checks, and extremely heavy (say 30 years in jail) penalties for anyone who is caught selling a gun without a background check, that 40 years from now there would be just as many teenagers killing teenagers in Chicago Detroit or New York?

You may have other arguments against gun control, that have to do with paranoia about the government.

Or you mgight want to argue that our government is too dysfunctional to ever pass laws and implement strict universal background checks.

But saying that gun control won't work at all over the long term in making guns harder to get for small time criminals (the type that shoot other children), is in my opinion very stupid.

(Note: reducing senseless murders is the goal, not lowering them to zero. Nobody is claiming that gun control can achieve close to that).

marcus says

THat poster "You think criminals will obey gun control laws......you must be a special kind of stupid," is ironic. Because only a special kind of stupid would be so arrogant about holding on to stupid views.

Call it Quits IS a special kind of stupid.

FortWayne said California "banned guns", which is patently false, and I said so. Call it Quits' response was to "just compare the laws that get passed in CA versus Texas", and that gets a giant WTF???? from me. Then he says, in an utter non-sequitur, "You actually think criminals will obey gun-control laws?" Again, WTF????

FortWayne said they "banned guns" in California; I said no they didn't. Is this really that hard to follow?

By the way, to answer your non-sequitur, Call It Quits, the murder rate is way down in California, so apparently gun control laws DO work.

Homeboy says

Call it Quits IS a special kind of stupid.

Exactly, who are you arguing with? An Orangutan?

They" YOU KNOW WHO" are a special kind of stupid, just like Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumberer!

Homeboy says

FortWayne says

In CA they banned guns when politicians felt threatened by folks showing up with guns to public political events. Politicians like to do the intimidation, they lack the backbone when it's done to them.

I think 2nd amendment was working as intended when politicians were in check. Today that part is missing in CA.

I'm pretty sure every sentence in this post is false.

What's new!

The government is banning assault weapons including AR-15's to little too late.

The NRA needs to get the fuk out of the way of the ATF and we need to roll back a few nightmare laws imposed on the ATF.

Gun shops are under no obligation to maintain inventory records! have you heard anything so stupid in all your life?

The frickin' IRS places more regulation on Gun business than the ATF.

40% of illegal gun trafficking is done by 1% of gun shops! due to the NRA rolling back inventory clauses!

It;s all gonna change.

Thedaytoday says

40% of illegal gun trafficking is done by 1% of gun shops! due to the NRA
rolling back inventory clauses!

look, professor, 100% of gun crime is done by criminals that don't give two shits about your libtarded laws. Armed citizens that follow the existing laws against murder are not your problem, they are the criminals problem. NEXT!

Bap33 says

criminals that don't give two shits about your libtarded laws

THey don't have to give to shits. If guns get harder for criminals to obtain, then guns get harder for criminals to obtain.

Even if it was just a matter of the price going up tenfold over a period of a few decades (inflation adjusted dollars) - that is, for guns bought on the black market.

How can anyone in their right mind not realize that will cause less teens shooting each other in inner cities.

"libtarded laws" that 89% of republicans and most gun owners agree with.

Moderate Infidel says

There were no deaths in that town cause they're all related to each other.

Cue banjo music.

I'm not sure if this will enhance or refute your point but . . .
86 years ago my grandpappy's father died in a pistol duel with his brother over a woman.
Family is no barrier to aggression.
Ever heard of domestic violence?

Bap33 says

Thedaytoday says

40% of illegal gun trafficking is done by 1% of gun shops! due to the NRA

rolling back inventory clauses!

look, professor, 100% of gun crime is done by criminals that don't give two shits about your libtarded laws. Armed citizens that follow the existing laws against murder are not your problem, they are the criminals problem. NEXT!

It seems to me that if 40% of illegal weapons are being obtained from a small number of places, making it so that those small number of places go away will result in it being harder for bad people to get guns.

The truth, of course, is that the NRA doesn't give two shits about 'bad people' obtaining guns. They want anybody to have any weapon at any time, because the NRA represents the interests of firearms manufacturers.

It's the same group of people who push the "OMG THE WORLD IS SO DANGEROUS" meme. "You'd better buy more guns so you can protect yourself when a home invader tries to kill you. Which is something that happens to everyone all the time!"

Call it Crazy says

Over a million more background checks in 2012 which means more firearms were purchased in 2012, but murders are down...

How do you explain that Einstein??

Gun ownership in 1990 was 54%. Today it's 47%. In 1990 the gun murder rate was 2.5x what it is today.

As I've said before, these things have nothing to do with each other. It isn't the guns killing people, it's the culture that teaches that guns are both necessary and proper ways to solve problems, that there are "others" trying to harm you, and that the big, bad government is going to take away your freedom.

There's this bizarre mentality that says that if somebody does something to offend or harm you, the appropriate response is to KILL them. No concept of appropriate responses. You wrong me in any way, I kill you, end of story.

Two teenagers fighting over a girlfriend turns into gunshots. Some poor kid finds the weapon his dad bought for "protection". Some guy sees someone he doesn't know in his neighborhood and decides to follow him with a loaded gun. An ignorant dipshit decides that he needs to shoot up a religious group that he doesn't understand.

Call it Crazy says

... how about Chicago, how about Oakland, how about Stockton, how about Camden...

that would trigger the other complaints regarding racial profiling and discrimination.

these are the same people who want to release more convicts into the population..

Call it Crazy says

I know, facts don't matter...

Wtf ?

Comprehend my argument that your quote came from.

40% of guns are sold without a background check. Yes it's partly about enforcing existing laws (sometimes legislation is aimed at that), but it's also about loopholes.

Address this with facts: If nation wide, we were to have background checks for gun purchases to increase from 60% eventually to approaching 100%, then guns would be harder for criminals to get ?

No, not impossible. But for impoverished children ? You don't think we can make it harder for them to get guns, if currently 40% are currently sold without any background check?

Bring me some of your facts to address this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cory-booker-lambasts-false-gun-debate-i-dont-know-if-anybody-here-has-seen-someone-shot-i-have/