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Quigley says

Religion is famously good at encouraging people to behave less selfishly.

Not necessarily: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

CaptainShuddup says

So it sure sounds like bigotry is one of those words that is "I know I am but what are you?"

Liberals discriminate against age(at least the ones here do, they loathe baby boomers, because they might retire and need elder care.)

They discriminate against socioeconomic status, they loathe the 1%'ers and claim that the Poor are of inferior intellect.

Even if one accepted the premise of that entire elaborate straw man, how is saying "old people suck because they need health care" or "poor people are dumb" not less bigoted than saying that gay people shouldn't have equal rights because their lifestyle is dumb/immoral/whatever? Unless you're arguing that liberals don't support the working class or don't support a strong social safety net, which would still somehow not be even in the ballpark of the worst argument you've made here in the last 24 hours.

NO I'm saying I "I" I respect people's views and can still be their friend and even ponder it to some extent. Take from it what I can, and then ignore the rest. As I know, you personally can't do dick all that will effect my life. If I have a problem with the Government, I'd be much better off taking my argument to them.

The Bigot and Race argument is just one that puts the onus to shut the fuck up, on the Conservatives. More so in the last 20 years, where real hatred the kind that really matters is a federal crime and you'll get serious jail time. The Liberal actions seem more racist to me, than those of the Republicans. Democrats by their very action claims that minorities are incapable of achieving goals by them selves. They have some imaginary barrier. But yet, immigrant of all color come to this country every year, and do better than most College educated White people. This has been the land of opportunity for a reason. It is the Liberals that try to rob minorities of those opportunity. By shoving them in government, administrative and service roles, and other dead end jobs.

CaptainShuddup says

you guys want it to be a bigger issue for those of us that would rather not be in the know about the gay politics goings on

LOL - you posted this thread. I hadn't even seen the story until you posted it on PatNet. And you've posted more comments to this thread than anyone else. So actually you are the one trying to make it a bigger issue. Then you blame other people for your own actions, as you blame others for your own choice to insist on your own bigotry. And meanwhile you end up losing whatever argument you have with "the Government" also, because you're so distracted by trying to "defend" a word on behalf of a supposedly omnipotent deity who can't possibly need your help. Pat Robertson and Bill McGuire are probably laughing at you from their private jets, all the way to the bank.

CaptainShuddup says

NO I'm saying I "I" I respect people's views and can still be their friend and even ponder it to some extent. Take from it what I can, and then ignore the rest. As I know, you personally can't do dick all that will effect my life. If I have a problem with the Government, I'd be much better off taking my argument to them.

Congratulations on your ability to ponder things, but the only reason this is an issue is that tolerant people like yourself are currently restricting the rights of a group of people. You have the right to have an opinion, and you have the right to express that opinion, but you don't have the right to not be made fun of by smarter people with better opinions.

Yes but this came to ahead in Moscow because of the drama queens in Moscow putting on exhibitions for attention. Rather than just enjoying their freedom to have Tom love Dick. They had to make protests out of it, then get caught up in the Pussyriot brouhaha. They should remember the Bird and the Cat fable. "If you're warm and happy under a pile of shit, then keep your mouth shut."

curious2 says

Pat Robertson and Bill McGuire are probably laughing at you from their private jets, all the way to the bank.

Who?

Stay out of my threads you jack wagon, at least everyone else reserves the name calling until after they've said something important.

CaptainShuddup says

Who?

You don't even know who your real enemies are? Please, look them up. They are the people who have been picking your pocket while you've been distracting yourself with the bigotry that they planted in you for that purpose.

Quigley says

It's becoming less selfish. That's the core family value.

Gay families do that every day. And every other mammalian species manages to care for their young without religion. Unlike humans, no other parents from any species sacrifice their own offspring in the name of an invisible deity because a paid preacher tells them to. Humans have done that for thousands of years, because of religion, and in a sense they still do. How much of Pat Robertson's millions came from parents who deprived their own children in order to enrich him? Probably almost as much of Putin's tyranny will result from Russian Orthodox parents supporting him instead of their own families' interests in the observable world. And then of course there are the Muslim "honor killings" where parents kill their daughters on behalf of Allah.

Pussy Riot is bullshit.

The steal food from the supermarket, insert it where the son doesn't shine, film it and call it art. Then they have an orgy in a museum. Finally, they go into the Russian version of "Old North Church" in Boston and proceed to have an orgy in a public place, assaulting the people trying to eject them while vandalizing the joint. They are not merely protesting outside or carrying a sign or whatnot.

If they had done so in the US, they would have been tazed and beaten repeatedly during the arrest, put on the sex offender registry, AND be serving multiple terms for a host of crimes from public indecency to trespassing to conspiracy to commit vandalism to assault. They'd be lucky to only get three years, which is what they got in Russia.

AND, the alleged "left-wing" US Media would laugh about their treatment, including being tazed and beaten. It would be routine Jon Stewart fare - who would not sympathize with them - for weeks. Fox News and Hannity of course would be too the moon about it, blaming the left for not calling for the death penalty for these 'dangerous' people.

It's only wrong when Russia does it.

thunderlips11 says

Pussy Riot is bullshit.

Thanks for that Putin

thunderlips11 says

AND, the alleged "left-wing" US Media would laugh about their treatment, including being tazed and beaten.

Thanks for that Putin

thunderlips11 says

The steal food from the supermarket,

Do you have any sources or evidence for that accusation? Putin's protégé Medvedev reportedly said they should not be in jail.

More than 20 years ago, Jane's Addiction did a whole video about shoplifting, and didn't get arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jrwjiO1MCVs

curious2 says

Quigley says

It's becoming less selfish. That's the core family value.

Gay families do that every day. And every other mammalian species manages to care for their young without religion. Unlike humans, no other parents from any species sacrifice their own offspring in the name of an invisible deity because a paid preacher tells them to. Humans have done that for thousands of years, because of religion, and in a sense they still do. How much of Pat Robertson's millions came from parents who deprived their own children in order to enrich him? Probably almost as much of Putin's tyranny will result from Russian Orthodox parents supporting him instead of their own families' interests in the observable world. And then of course there are the Muslim "honor killings" where parents kill their daughters on behalf of Allah.

Thanks for being a good lawyer curious2, but really this is about sharing ideas not hen pecking each other to death with technicalities.
If your reading comprehension was as good as your lawyering, you'd realize that I didn't exclude gay families, but rather offered an INCLUSIVE definition of core family values. I'm not against gay families with kids. I watch "modern family" and those gays are freaking hilarious. I don't watch Glee because its preachy gay, annoying without purpose.
Hell, I have a childhood friend who got married, had a kid, then had a sex change operation, with total gender reassignment. H/She now lives with her wife and their boyfriend and the kid. I have sympathy for the plight, even if I do not understand it. People are people, all flawed, all needing grace. I'm no different, in that regard.

Bigot

God the Father created man and woman to love each other and procreate. Scripture clearly is against the side show freak show of 2 people of the same sex being with each other. Now, what people do on their own or say is ok has nothing to do with what the creator created and what scripture says is ok. Adam and Eve thought they knew more than God and sin entered the world. We're still seeing it today with this nonsense of "same-sex" whatever you want to call it. It's unnatural and sinful. Spin any way you'd like but it's against God's will and nature.

PR is a splinter group from a larger group called Voina. Basically, a bunch of communal living wanna-be artists/trust-fund babies who consider themselves artsy fartsy.

They did steal to support themselves and announced that they did so in their manifesto (self-admitted). They also posted videos of themselves with (stolen) vegetables on the internet. And having an orgy in a Science Museum, among other things.

NSFW with extra alert for the dangerously-thin bodies:
http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/reviews/brown/voina4-29-11.asp

They are basically attention whore Social Justice Warriors who really aren't about free speech, but pissing people off with their RadFem/Vegan/Perpetual Victim bs, the kind of assholes you find on every US campus. They aren't humanitarians, if they got into power they'd be severe totalitarians. Their Western Counterparts, for example, mock Free Speech as "Freeze Peach".

The IRONIC thing is that these SJWs were caught in the same law they espouse - a nebulous law designed to give the state the power to imprison anybody who incites the public to hatred of a group, in this case, the victim was considered the Orthodox Church.

Here is an analysis of why PR violated Russian Law:
http://mercouris.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/pussy-riot-after-the-judgment/

Most telling is:

RIA Novosti on its main English language website adds the important detail that the judge found that the references to Putin did not appear in the “punk prayer” performed in the Cathedral but were added later to the film of the “punk prayer” posted on YouTube:

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120817/175268773.html

Boy, never saw that key point in the Western Media! That would hurt the narrative. So instead of insulting the President, they were actually insulting the Patriarch - and only modified the words to include Putin later after editing footage! There goes most of Eastern Europe's support for Pussy Riot!

It also shows their initial purpose was to harass the Orthodox Church, and not complain about Putin. They probably added Putin references in later as a bid for Russophobe support.

Russian culture is fundamentally broken. Many of their people actually want a "strongman", a dictator. They have not been fortunate enough to live in any semblance of free society (mongols, tasr, communists, etc). As a result, they feel a sense of omnipotence from having a strong mighty government - i.e. "if government is mighty and feared, then I am mighty and feared" - such mentality is truly a bastion of scoundrels. The culture has simply not evolved enough to be in the same tier as western europe, united states, canada etc.

dublin hillz says

Russian culture is fundamentally broken

for Russia, no.

From what comparison of a past Russia can you say it was ever FIXED?

They had vile kings , they had vile dictators, and now they have the mafia.

Who is to say what works in Russia?

postbubblesucess says

Spin any way you'd like but it's against God's will and nature.

Who knew the Taliban read PatNet?

Sorry I forgot to add "it" in my last sentence. Figures some liberal homo would jump all over it to try and prove that their twisted and mentally ill behavior is some how ok. Typical.

The garbage opinion was published on Tuesday by the Washington Post. And yes, it's just as creepy, pedophilic, and all-around as disgusting a piece as the above excerpt would lead you to believe. ...

Remember she's talking about her children who were elementary and preschool-aged at the time they attended this Pride event. And presumably, she's referring to those same children who she's encouraging to plan, research and give enthusiastic consent when it comes to "kink."


Weep for the children who are being exposed to this wickedness.