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Call it Crazy says

So in YOUR mind, dying due to a mistake by a doctor is OK and acceptable....

And dying in a car because the other driver wasn't paying attention and hit you is OK and acceptable...

But dying by a gunshot is not OK... do we have that correct??

The difference is the first two examples most likely are accidents whereas the gunshot was most likely intentional. The sole purpose of a gun is to kill something, unless your target shooting. Doctors and automobiles have a much different function.

Moderate Infidel says

The sole purpose of a gun is to kill something, unless your target shooting.

Not quite true. Guns are also used to intimidate. They are also handy noisemakers. I like to use them as paperweights.

Call it Crazy says

Are these all "accidents" or intentional actions?? Doesn't a person have to "intentionally" press on the gas pedal to get the car to move.

Are you a bad lawyer?

Call it Crazy says

Not quite true. Guns are also used to intimidate.

They can also be used to shoot people. That's two uses for guns. Those are facts.

Call it Crazy says

No, just trying to clear up the terminology and place the focus where it needs to be.

What terminology isn't clear and where does the focus need to be?

Call it Crazy says

But, go do some research and tell me for every time a trigger is pulled each week, how many of those trigger pulls are at a target, for hunting in the woods or at a gun range and how many were to actually kill people?

You go do the research. I'll trust your results.

Call it Crazy says

So, in each of my examples above, all the items could be considered "assault weapons".... so which ones are we going to ban in the new Assault Weapons ban that is being discussed??

I'm surprised I have to explain this to you but the "assault weapons" everyone except you are talking about are the ones that shoot bullets.

Also, I'm pretty sure I could kill you with a steak.

If they come for my steak then I will definitely change my mind about regulating "assault weapons".
Call it Crazy says

Moderate Infidel says

Also, I'm pretty sure I could kill you with a steak.

Maybe we should ban steaks too....

Call it Crazy says

Absolutely true, specially in PREVENTING a crime from happening:

Yes, in the same way nukes prevent wars from happening.

Call it Crazy says

Right.... they call them "accidents"... that's because cars drive themselves, right?? Cars aren't driven by people, right?? How many cars have killed people parked in their driveways or garages?

How many guns have killed people while stored in a closet?

Oh, and car "accidents" are 4 times as high as gun homicides. Where's your outrage where we should be banning cars???

Just think how many lives could be saved if we banned cars and all rode bicycles!!!

Seriously? You don't understand the difference between murder and an accident? I'm thinking you may actually be mentally retarded.

Call it Crazy says

Homeboy says

Seriously? You don't understand the difference between murder and an accident? I'm thinking you may actually be mentally retarded.

Seriously?? You can't figure out the common denominator between what's behind a steering wheel and what's behind a trigger of a gun??

Also, is there a different level of "dead" when you are killed by a DUI in a car versus being shot by a criminal?? Is one acceptable but the other is not in your view??

This has to be a joke, no on could seriously suggest that people get behind the wheel cock the hammer and aim for people to kill. You are either pulling everyone's chain or you really need see your mental health professional. Either way if you are a gun owner then you are a living breathing example of why we need better gun licensing.

Call it Crazy says

Homeboy says

Seriously? You don't understand the difference between murder and an accident? I'm thinking you may actually be mentally retarded.

Seriously?? You can't figure out the common denominator between what's behind a steering wheel and what's behind a trigger of a gun??

Also, is there a different level of "dead" when you are killed by a DUI in a car versus being shot by a criminal?? Is one acceptable but the other is not in your view??

Non sequitur. You claimed that auto accidents are murder because people drive the cars. That is false. Murder requires intent. Data of firearms death and injury are divided by intentional and unintentional. Yet you conflate the two and compare gun murders with unintentional vehicular deaths. So why don't you just stop being stupid, m'kay?

bob2356 says

his has to be a joke, no on could seriously suggest that people get behind the wheel cock the hammer and aim for people to kill.

That certainly has happened, but it is so rare that it doesn't even have its own separate category in the statistics. It would be included under "other".

Moderate Infidel says

Socialist
Tyrannical
Oppressor
Person

They are a fascist nazi with a do gooder complex but deep down have a need to mess with motorists who go to work to make money to simulate the economy. Bunch of nuisance like the damn byciclists who pump rights in san fran!

Call it Crazy says

Moderate Infidel says

Also, I'm pretty sure I could kill you with a steak.

Maybe we should ban steaks too....

Can we ban you, fool!

You're forgetting that it's easier to conceal a gun in your pocket than to conceal a car in your pocket.

I believe that everyone should take a gun safety class, regardless of whether they own one or not. It would cut down on the accidental deaths.

This legislation isn't perfect, but it's a start. It appears to me that the biggest argument against it is that it is the beginning of "control," and could eventually end in guns being outlawed.

It's too late for that... too many people have guns now. We could never confiscate all the guns. We need a real conversation about guns, where gun owners' fears can be addressed and non-owners' can present their fears as well.

Call it Crazy says

....there are a bunch more....

Seems like all your examples have the word "tries" in it and no one was killed.

The Professor says

Before graduating high school they should be able to field strip the current militairy assault rifle blindfolded.

Before graduating they should be taught the difference between shit and shinola, don't trust whitey and see a doctor and get rid of it.

I find it funny that any attempt to limit the sale or possession of Assault weapons and the NRA and there supporters scream that the country is turning into a police state by trying to take our guns. The fact is there are 88 firearms per 100 citizens in this country, the next closest country is something like 33 guns per 100 citizen. Interesting enough 3.4 people are killed by guns per 100k citizens in the United States, the next highest country is something like .9 per 100k citizens. Apart from war torn countries like in the Middle East and Africa, firearms in the hands of every day citizens is a rarity in most of the world.

Face it, no one needs a semi-automatic weapon with a big clip of ammo to go deer hunting or protect there home from an intruder. These weapons are designed to kill, pure and simple.

The Professor says

elliemae says

I believe that everyone should take a gun safety class.

In kindergarten they should be told don't touch.

In fifth grade they should be given a thorough safety course and taught how to shoot accurately.

Before graduating high school they should be able to field strip the current militairy assault rifle blindfolded.

Regardless of any shooting proficiency or safety training. When encountering a gun "in the wild", all children should be taught:

1. Don't touch
2. Leave the area
3. Tell an adult

IDDQD says

DHS disagrees with you. According to them AR-15 with 30-rnd magazine is suitable for personal defense. Face it, they are much more qualified in this area than you.

A hammer can be suitable too but not the best choice.

TechGromit says

The fact is there are 88 firearms per 100 citizens in this country, the next closest country is something like 33 guns per 100 citizen

88 yes... next one(s) are...

1  United States 88.8
2  Yemen 54.8
3  Switzerland 45.7
4  Finland 45.3
5  Serbia 37.8
6  Cyprus 36.4
7  Saudi Arabia 35
8  Iraq 34.2
9  Uruguay 31.8
10  Sweden 31.6
11  Norway 31.3
12  France 31.2
13  Canada 30.8
14  Austria 30.4
15  Germany 30.3
15  Iceland 30.3
17  Oman 25.5

TechGromit says

I find it funny that any attempt to limit the sale or possession of Assault weapons and the NRA and there supporters scream that the country is turning into a police state by trying to take our guns.

it seems even the Swiss can say.. "Go fuck yourself if your going to take our guns away". And we are not talking about any Semi or Consumer version model here.. but full blown Rock and Roll Automatic Assault weapons with Grenade Launchers..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. Switzerland does not have a standing army, instead opting for a people's militia for its national defense.

The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations;

Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world. In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations. A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.

Culture of guns... now this is what I call culture of guns.. not even seen in the USA.

"The government sponsors training with rifles and shooting in competitions for interested adolescents, both male and female.

The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there."