patrick.net

Drone strikes didn't happen?

Usually a President will continue a program started by his predecessor, hence the only good idea Bush had was utilized by Obama to capture and kill who? That's right terrorists and Osama Bin Who?

What Planet are you from?

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 24, 3:20am

mell says

RT news makes some fof the best news out there - just because the binar can't comprehend them and others are obviously stuck on eternal McCarthyism, doesn't make those news less accurate and no-nonsense. If you want faux news instead, look no further than the US mainstream media.

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

"State-owned Ria Novosti news agency, which founded RT in 2005, is one of the largest in Russia."

STATE OWNED BITCHES!

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Dan8267 2013 Jan 24, 3:27am

Worst lolcat ever!

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Dan8267 2013 Jan 24, 3:29am

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

Is it really propaganda if it's true and accurate?

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 24, 5:17am

Dan8267 says

Thedaytoday says

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

Is it really propaganda if it's true and accurate?

Yes. It is a State entity that has directed assets to challenge Western governments. Primarily rebuttals against the USA and the UK. Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Need I remind you who OWNS AND RUNS Russia?

RT is and always will be RUSSIAN STATE Propaganda, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 24, 6:00am

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

Infact Obama wanted to take it out of the bill, it was FORCED ON HIM BY THESE FOOLS!

The only way to force something on President is to overturn his veto. Which didn't happen in this case. So let's not kid ourselves: he is completely on board with this shite.

That's not what happened. He could not veto the defense spending bill!

NDAA was added by WHOM? Not Obama, it was the Repukes, McCain and Graham. It eventually was rammed down Obama's throat part of the defense spending bill.

So go read your history , it was not that long ago.

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Dan8267 2013 Jan 24, 7:06am

Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 24, 7:15am

Dan8267 says

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

I disagree, I am not interested in consuming Russian made propaganda targeted at the West, they have their own agenda.
It's your personal opinion that it does not matter and your welcome to it.

I will not consume RT (Russian State Owned Media), it's obviously propaganda.

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leo707 2013 Jan 24, 9:37am

Dan8267 says

Thedaytoday says

Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

Being that I don't watch RT I can't speak to whether or not I feel it is propaganda.

I do however believe that it is important if something is propaganda. Something can be truthful, yet not tell the whole story and/or be presented, subtly or not, in a way to sway people away from the truth--true yet intellectually dishonest.

Take for instance the issue in this thread of whether or not Obama has kept his promises. Say one had created some hypothetical news network that had a mission to misinform people and turn them against democrats. Let's say that 100% of there extensive coverage on Obama was discussing the 22% of promises he broke. While truthful this would not be an "honest" representation of Obama's record on keeping promises. I am sure that no American would have the moral depravity to take part in such a deceptive news organization like that. However, such an organization would breed ignorance, spread hate, and be harmful to public discourse in America.

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curious2 2013 Jan 24, 9:53am

Let's say that 100% of [their] extensive coverage on Obama was discussing the 22% of promises he broke. While truthful this would not be an "honest" representation of Obama's record on keeping promises. I am sure that no American would have the moral depravity to take part in such a deceptive news organization like that.

LOL ;) Alas, due to the dynamic you described, American perception of reality is bifurcating to such a degree that people live in polar opposite worlds. Even seemingly objective numbers, like % of promises kept or broken, are distorted by different lenses. Politifact spins promises broken into promises kept, while Faux News spins promises kept into promises broken. Perhaps it was always like that and we didn't see it before the WWW, which has enabled some people to see more broadly while others have dug deeper into their own silos.

I do watch RT occasionally and it can be interesting to see Putin's relentless critique of America. I wouldn't call it more objective necessarily but it comes from a different perspective and shows the elephant from a different angle. For example, they reported Romney's apparent voter fraud at a time when most American news outlets were shouting their usual binary narrative (Republicans saying voter fraud is committed by Democrats vs Democrats saying voter fraud doesn't happen).

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David Losh 2013 Jan 24, 9:59am

Geez, I thought you were talking about Fox News.

Russia has television now? Is it in color?

58 nope 2013 Jan 24, 2:24pm

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

He could not veto the defense spending bill!

Of course he could if it contained attachments he couldn't agree with.

Yeah, Obama could totally not approve paying for the military. What's the worst that could happen?

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 9:25pm

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda. Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

I believe a truly intelligent person can take an idea or opinion, analyze and dissect it in their own mind, and accept it or reject it based on its own merits.

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Tenpoundbass 2013 Jan 24, 10:24pm

Well they posted pictorials you can't argue with Photoshop.
I guess your argument is kaput.

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 10:58pm

http://rt.com/usa/news/appeals-ndaa-detention-public-536/

Scagnetti says

NDAA didn't happen?

John McCain & Lindsey Graham Justifying The NDAA Bill

Infact Obama wanted to take it out of the bill, it was FORCED ON HIM BY THESE FOOLS!

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

He could not veto the defense spending bill!

Of course he could if it contained attachments he couldn't agree with.

Unfortunately for you 121212, a court had struck down the provision pertaining to indefinite detention contained in the NDAA. The court decided it was unconstitutional. The Obama administration immediately appealed that decision to reinstate the provision! Obama is for it! Don't listen to what Obama says, watch what he does damn it!

http://www.infowars.com/federal-court-rules-in-favour-of-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens/

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 11:06pm

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/22/influential-media-obama-oped-cx_tv_ee_hra_0122liberal_slide_20.html

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

I see....so you blow your whistle on RT news being propaganda, but you post a video by one of biggest liberals on TV??? Hypocritical much?

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 11:18pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/guantanamo-bay-open-promises/story?id=16698768

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

"Civil rights advocates still hope Obama stays true to his word. By his own power, he could take significant steps to close the prison, or he could issue a so-called signing statement that supersedes the law preventing federal money from being used to transfer prisoners.

Zachary Katznelson, a senior attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union, said Obama can release 87 Guantanamo prisoners who have been cleared, and start proceedings for trials for the other 169 detainees.

"President Obama has enough control and power that he can get these men out today if he has the political will to do so," Katznelson said. "It is a political decision."

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 11:31pm

Here's a news clip updating the current situation of Obama's (and others) support of indefinite detention for civilians defined in NDAA.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jNI2hRtN4c4

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 24, 11:34pm

Scagnetti says

The patriot act extension didn't happen?

and which party had the majority in the house and passed it?

And your point is? Who had the majority in the senate? Who's president? Who cares? Democrats are as bad as republicans. In fact, in many ways they aren't different at all, but the same.

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Scagnetti 2013 Jan 25, 12:00am

Scagnetti says

35% of promises kept seems low to me! Especially since many of his broken promises could have been kept by a simple order from him. Not legislation in many cases, just an order.

Yeah, that does seem low. Let me help you with an updated chart (I pulled it today):

If you are pissed at Obama you must be livid with the GOP:

Thanks for updating it! I am not politically affiliated...I don't like politicians in general, regardless of party.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 7:52am

Thedaytoday says

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

I see....so you blow your whistle on RT news being propaganda, but you post a video by one of biggest liberals on TV??? Hypocritical much?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/22/influential-media-obama-oped-cx_tv_ee_hra_0122liberal_slide_20.html

Move to Russia and shut up you fool.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 7:53am

Thedaytoday says

Scagnetti says

The patriot act extension didn't happen?

and which party had the majority in the house and passed it?

And your point is? Who had the majority in the senate? Who's president? Who cares? Democrats are as bad as republicans. In fact, in many ways they aren't different at all, but the same.

That is my point, fool!

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 8:05am

Unfortunately for you 121212,

Call me TheDayToday, Spagetti

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 8:06am

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda. Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

I believe a truly intelligent person can take an idea or opinion, analyze and dissect it in their own mind, and accept it or reject it based on its own merits.

RT IS RUSSIAN STATE OWNED & OPERATED DEAR COMMRAD SPAGETTI

The mere fact that it is in English should tell you something!

You think Russians get their news from RT!

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 8:07am

RT news really that different than CNN? Is

Unless the Russian State own CNN, no it is not the same.

You make a stupid conclusion.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 8:08am

Democrats are as bad as republicans

Your insane! Did you watch the elections and post election destruction of the GOP. The Repukes have gone off the mental cliff. They have no leaders left.

Do you know what the Republic Party platform?

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leo707 2013 Jan 25, 8:50am

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda.

Sure, just about everything has bias, but that does not make it all propaganda. We live in a world of grey, no just black and white. Propaganda is an extreme bias where you are literal getting only one side of the story with the intent of influencing someone to support an idea, cause, etc.

In regards to propaganda......

Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

Yes, they are different not quite "just opposite sides of the same coin."

I am not familiar enough with RT, but sure CNN has a bias however I would not call CNN propaganda per se.

Beck and Hannity do only tell one side of the story. Often with their selective facts are heaps of out right lies. Viewers of FOX "news" are worse informed on world and US events than people who watch no news. Beck and Hannity's depravity and shameless propaganda knows no bounds. If you are interested in the subject it was discussed at length in this thread:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219028&page=3#comments

Is MSNBC (Chris Matthews) propaganda? Yeah, it seems so, but not nearly to the degree that FOX "news" is. People who watch MSNBC are better informed than those who watch no news on domestic issues, but not international.

If you are looking for a news source with very low bias try NPR.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 8:57am

I am not familiar enough with RT

RT is state owned media

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RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks 2013 Jan 25, 9:04am

RT is what i call a "whine" network because that's all they do all day.

"they beat us in the cold war and now we going to spend a lot of money on this BS news network called RT to endlessly whine about it."

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leo707 2013 Jan 25, 9:05am

leo707 says

I am not familiar enough with RT

RT is state owned media

Yes, while this give me pause I am not sure how much it actually matters. FOX "news" is privately held yet it would be hard to rival FOX for output of effective propaganda.

77 carrieon 2013 Jan 25, 9:51am

This video explains Obama's behavior as opposed to what actually happens. It's a roadshow hoax.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/V7GE5fRXdqg&feature=youtu.be

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 25, 9:54am