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Polls are a great tool. If the media can harp on these meaningless polls long enough. Then people who have avoided politics for the last four years, can let the polls do their thinking for them.
Don't kid your self. Do you really think 85% of the people who voted for Obama, put any thought into why they were actually voting for him. Or were they just desperate to "be on the side of history" based on a POLL?
Thats actually of little relevance. I can't help but note that many detractors used George Bush's manner of speech as a sign of marginal intelligence, when in fact there is little connection between the two.
Well, a number of cohesive laundry lists of GW's failures were already made. My own addition was simply more reinforcement to what was already mentioned. So collectively add that up and ta-da. formulation of one of the worst presidencies in US history.
Polls are a great tool.
I agree. But would you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail? Do you understand what I just said? Polling two unrelated things are not meaningful. BUSH IS NOT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT.CaptainShuddup says
Don't kid your self. Do you really think 85% of the people who voted for Obama, put any thought into why they were actually voting for him.
Of course they did. Don't try to belittle people who didn't want to vote your way. Like I've said before the GOP has an extreme demographics problem on their hands these days. Clearly more Americans see the Democratic party as more pertinent to their interests. If the GOP actually paid attention to the real issues, then perhaps more people would vote for them. People vote for those who are most representative of their concerns and positions on issues.
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
He sounds good with teleprompter only.
GW used a Teleprompter as well and still sounded like a 10 year old
Yes, and another non-story, which fails to make a point.
You were the one who brought up Obama's public speaking skills.
You were the one who brought up Obama's public speaking skills.
Yup. Because they are better than GW's.
CaptainShuddup says
But Bush gave press conferences and delivered yearly budgets.
So? What is your point?
People are far more likely to dislike someone when they're making decisions that impact their life. What GW does now is pretty much irrelevant. I bet Clinton's favorability ratings are much higher than when he was president as well.
I think Jimmy Carter is a great guy and like him very much. If you asked me when he was president I would have said he was shitty.
People are far more likely to dislike someone when they're making decisions that impact their life. What GW does now is pretty much irrelevant. I bet Clinton's favorability ratings are much higher than when he was president as well.
I think Jimmy Carter is a great guy and like him very much. If you asked me when he was president I would have said he was shitty.
I still don't see GWB as favorable. But I do think Clinton is much more popular now, not just because he was popular during his times. Everyone after has been way worse. He wins the comparison match big time.
I still don't see GWB as favorable.
Neither do I, but I don't dislike him as much as I did when he was president. Mostly because he doesn't matter anymore. It's not worth the effort to hate the guy.
I still don't see GWB as favorable.
Neither do I, but I don't dislike him as much as I did when he was president. Mostly because he doesn't matter anymore. It's not worth the effort to hate the guy.
I never hated the guy either, just thought he was really really incompetent.
I also think that the poll showing Bush being more popular says more about Obamas scandals and screw ups than it does about Bush. Like you said, Bush isn't relevant anymore...
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
Any bimbo on TV is head and shoulders above Obama with regards to their teleprompter-reading skills.
Pink elephants can fly. Why? Because I said so thus I must be an authority and thus I must be right.CaptainShuddup says
It's NOT what you say, it's when you say it that counts.
That doesn't even make sense.
It's NOT what you say, it's when you say it that counts.
That doesn't even make sense.
Sure it does, Obama says a lot, just never on record where it counts. Like in front of the press corp. Johnny Blowjob doesn't have the wherewithal to fact check or do any meaningful retort when he's lied to, on one of Obama's monologue comedy road show.
Hey idiots,
Bush is not more popular than Obama. Bush had lower approval than Obama in his second term. All other past presidents are above 60% approval, while Bush is only at 49%. That's actually pretty dismal.
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
Good summary re your claims about Bush sounding like 10yo. ;)
Out of context. It was meant to indicate I can make crap up too and claim it as fact.
CaptainShuddup says
Polls don't count remember?
We're just stating the facts here.
Is there and echo?
Bush is not more popular than Obama. Bush had lower approval than Obama in his second term. All other past presidents are above 60% approval, while Bush is only at 49%. That's actually pretty dismal.
DING DING DING!
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Fascinating turn of events. I read the comments in the huffpost and looks like the extreme left is twisting itself into a pretzel trying to make Snowden look like a criminal/traitor.
I can just imagine their reactions, if Bush or a republican were President during these events. Fascinating psychology.
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
On pulling stuff out of your ass and calling it the truth
No, and its embarrassing that I have to actually explain this. Your previous comment was something along the lines of what a fabulous president GW was, at which point I responded with a sarcastic reply, insomuch- claiming GW was a great president is tantamount to claiming that pink elephants can fly.
I can just imagine their reactions, if Bush or a republican were President during these events. Fascinating psychology.
Then of course you seem to be conveniently forgetting that representatives from both parties are on both sides of the fence on this issue and hence its not exactly a strictly partisan event anyway.
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
What? Where? Care to post a link?
Come on fess up! It's common knowledge that if you speak out against Obama and dislike his policy then you are big bubble blowing Bush loving sissy. You're a Duck hunting Oil man ADMIT IT!!!
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
Any bimbo on TV is head and shoulders above Obama with regards to their teleprompter-reading skills. Doesn't make them better presidential material.
Breitbart, Ha,Ha,Ha
Gallup, Ha,Ha,Ha
1500 out of 316 million know what the population is thinking?
I guess that some of those polled thought that Bush & the Republicans allowing the Homeland to be attacked & the Twin Towers to be destroyed is OK? They must also like unfunded wars?
Now this is some of that there serious trolling.
Same difference basically because you were essentially saying that Obama wasn't a better president just because of his speaking skills, and seeing as how the claim was made that "any Bimbo" would do over Obama would obviously indicate GW then, who also used a teleprompter but did so poorly. Yet that wasn't the full extent of my claim but rather aside.
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
The skill of smoothly reading from a teleprompter is so irrelevant to being good president that it barely registers on my give-a-fuck-o-meter. That's all. The rest is your fantasies.
If the Presidency was simply nothing more than reading from teleprompters then perhaps you would have a point. But Obama actually gets shit done so you don't.
Can we finally organize a football game - OWS vs tea party and put all these arguments to rest?
Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
You seemed to value teleprompter reading skills much higher not so long ago: "the fact that Obama doesn't sound like a 10 year old speaking at the podium is reason enough to see that Bush was about 500% worse."
I am not sure how much easier to make this understandable to you. Did I in any form or fashion proclaim that Obama's use of a teleprompter was the single and only reason he was better than good ole' GW? Nope. The premise as most anyone else can see is that it was a comment in regards to a whole general mess that was the Bush admin.Enjoy Your Hope and Change says
Yep, he gets the same shit done blah blah blah...
Awfully convenient that you forgot to mention that pretty much everything on your laundry list was already enacted by GW. Whoops. Sorry ya'll lost the election and all, but that's how the cookie crumbles aint it?
Hey idiots,
Bush is not more popular than Obama. Bush had lower approval than Obama in his second term. All other past presidents are above 60% approval, while Bush is only at 49%. That's actually pretty dismal.
Clinton didn't become popular until Bush started mucking things up around 2006. During the 2000 election Clinton was a pariah, so Gore and the other Dems locked him in box and sunk him to the bottom of the ocean for the next few years. We are now seeing the same basic timeline of events happen again with Bush and Obama's waning popularity.
Clinton didn't become popular until Bush started mucking things up around 2006. During the 2000 election Clinton was a pariah
Take that hoopleheads.
My Cats are more popular than Bush. So there. Take that, conservatives!
My Cats are more popular than Bush. So there. Take that, conservatives!
Sounds like someone has a case of sour grapes.
Sure Bush2 sucked, but Obama does make Bush2 look good, since those were the good old days of lower unemployment.
Sure Bush2 sucked, but Obama does make Bush2 look good, since those were the good old days of lower unemployment.
Yeah, and I just looked out my window and saw a whole heard of flying cows. Its true because I said so.
Bush won the personality contest, so get over it...
ooooooh that felt good.
Bush won the personality contest, so get over it...
I just also saw aliens from mars land in a field. I am seriously not making this up...
Clinton didn't become popular until Bush started mucking things up around 2006. During the 2000 election Clinton was a pariah, so Gore and the other Dems locked him in box and sunk him to the bottom of the ocean for the next few years. We are now seeing the same basic timeline of events happen again with Bush and Obama's waning popularity.
Not exactly. First, lame duck presidents always lose popularity, and former presidents always gain popularity. Obama is doing much better in the polls than Bush did at the same point in his presidency. The only way to fairly compare two presidents in the polls is to take the poll numbers they had WHEN they were president, at the same point in each one's term.
Second, I don't remember things happening at all the way you remember them. Bush started "mucking things up" almost immediately in his first term. He undoubtedly wouldn't have been re-elected if 9-11 hadn't happened, and if the democrats hadn't run a relatively weak candidate against him.
Sure Bush2 sucked, but Obama does make Bush2 look good, since those were the good old days of lower unemployment.
The unemployment rate at the end of Bush's term was 7.3%. Good old days? Gotta love that selective memory of yours.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/11/Bush-More-Popular-Than-Obama
In a Gallup tracking poll released Tuesday, former-President George W. Bush currently stands with a favorability rating of 49%, compared to 46% who see the 43rd president unfavorably. Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows President Obama with only a 47% approval rating, with 44% disapproving.
If you think about it, this makes perfect sense.
After all, Obama fooled everyone when he ran as the anti-Bush in 2008.
Everyone thought Obama meant he would be less hawkish than his predecessor. But as we have seen, Obama apparently has no problem killing American citizens via remote control with drones or greatly expanding upon Bush's surveillance state. This, even though Obama told us he had pretty much won the War on Terror.
Therefore, it appears that what Obama meant by promising to be the anti-Bush is that, unlike George W. Bush, Obama would not get us out of a recession and into many years of economic prosperity. There would also be successful terror attacks on American soil during Obama's watch and a litany of scandals unseen in almost a half-century.
Maybe the next time a former community organizer raised in a creepy church runs for president, the media will work a little harder to dig into his real agenda.
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