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Bigsby says

They sell them because they make the companies a substantial profit or did you think they did it for charitable purposes?

Which is bigger Pharmaceutical industry or the Vitamin industry?

Which is known to be totally insidious and regularly spreads misinformation? Here's a hint not the Vitamin business!

Dumbass!

puhim says

Bigsby says

They sell them because they make the companies a substantial profit or did you think they did it for charitable purposes?

Which is bigger Pharmaceutical industry or the Vitamin industry?

Which is known to be totaly insidious? Here's a hint not the Vitamin business!

Dumbass!

They are both out to make a profit, so what? And I'd be bloody worried if the vitamin business was bigger than the pharmaceutical industry.

Bigsby says

They are both out to make a profit, so what? And I'd be bloody worried if the vitamin business was bigger than the pharmaceutical industry.

Do you really believe this shit you are shoveling?>

http://www.who.int/trade/glossary/story073/en/index.html

The global pharmaceuticals market is worth US$300 billion a year, a figure expected to rise to US$400 billion within three years

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H04

The pharmaceutical industry has traditionally supported Republican candidates. But as Democrats have seized Congress and the White House in recent cycles, industry advocates have steadily become more generous toward traditional foes. These companies’ contributions split evenly during the 2008 cycle, after the GOP received two-thirds of drug company contributions in the run-up to the 2006 cycle.

And how exactly does that post counter anything I said? Puhim in big business funds politicians shocker. Call The Washington Post.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n01.shtml

High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy Proven Effective

"My doctor doesn't believe in vitamins." Since when is medicine based on belief?

(OMNS, January 5, 2010) The medical literature has virtually ignored 75 years of physician reports and laboratory and clinical studies on successful high-dose vitamin C therapy.

Effective doses are high doses, often 1,000 times more than the US Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) or Daily Reference Intake (DRI). It is a cornerstone of medical science that dose affects treatment outcome. This premise is accepted with pharmaceutical drug therapy, but not with vitamin therapy. Most unsuccessful vitamin C research has used inadequate, low doses. Low doses do not get clinical results.

Investigators using vitamin C in high doses have consistently reported excellent results. High doses were advocated almost immediately after ascorbic acid was isolated by Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, M.D. (1893-1986). Notable early medical pioneers of high-dose vitamin C (ascorbate) therapy are Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D. (1898-1976); William J. McCormick, M.D. (1880-1968); and Frederick R. Klenner, M.D. (1907-1984). More recently, important work has been published by Hugh D. Riordan, M.D. (1932-2005) and Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D. (1932-2007).

It Was 75 Years Ago Today

Dr. Jungeblut, Professor of Bacteriology at Columbia University, first published on vitamin C as prevention and treatment for polio, in 1935. (1) Also in 1935, Jungeblut showed that vitamin C inactivated diphtheria toxin. (2) By 1937, Jungeblut demonstrated that ascorbate inactivated tetanus toxin. (3) Between 1943 and 1947, Dr. Klenner, a specialist in diseases of the chest, cured 41 cases of viral pneumonia with vitamin C. By 1946, Dr. McCormick showed how vitamin C prevents and also cures kidney stones; by 1957, how it fights cardiovascular disease. Beginning in the 1960s, Dr. Cathcart used large doses of vitamin C to treat pneumonia, hepatitis, and eventually AIDS. For more than three decades, beginning in 1975, Dr. Riordan and his team have successfully used large doses of intravenous vitamin C against cancer. The use of doses of tens of thousands of milligrams of vitamin C per day may be the most unacknowledged successful research in medicine.

Heard this one before? "If vitamin C was that good, doctors would tell their patients to take a lot of it." It is surprising how many physicians have done precisely that.

What's that? Your doctor still doesn't?

Why? Decades of physicians' reports and controlled studies support the use of very large doses of vitamin C.

References:

(1) Jungeblut CW. Inactivation of poliomyelitis virus by crystalline vitamin C (ascorbic acid). J Exper Med 1935. 62:317-321.

(2) Jungeblut CW, Zwemer RL. Inactivation of diphtheria toxin in vivo and in vitro by crystalline vitamin C (ascorbic acid). Proc Soc Exper Biol Med 1935; 32:1229-34.

(3) Jungeblut CW. Inactivation of tetanus toxin by crystalline vitamin C (l-ascorbic acid). J Immunol 1937;33:203-214.

For More Information About:

Dr. CW Jungeblut: Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D.: Polio pioneer; ascorbate advocate. J Orthomolecular Med, 2006. Vol 21, No 2, p 102-106. http://www.doctoryourself.com/jungeblut.html

In addition to (1) above, Dr. Jungeblut's other polio papers include:

Jungeblut CW. Vitamin C therapy and prophylaxis in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exp Med, 1937. 65: 127-146.
Jungeblut CW. Further observations on vitamin C therapy in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1937. 66: 459-477.
Jungeblut CW, Feiner RR. Vitamin C content of monkey tissues in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1937. 66: 479-491.
Jungeblut CW. A further contribution to vitamin C therapy in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1939. 70:315-332.
Jungeblut's research published in the Journal of Experimental Medicine is available for free access at http://www.jem.org/contents-by-date.0.shtml

Dr. FR Klenner: Hidden in plain sight: the pioneering work of Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D. J Orthomolecular Med, 2007. Vol 22, No 1, p 31-38. http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerbio.html and http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2005/fklenner.html

Dr. WJ McCormick: The pioneering work of William J. McCormick, M.D. J Orthomolecular Med, 2003. Vol 18, No 2, p 93-96. http://www.doctoryourself.com/mccormick.html and http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2004/wmccormick.html

Dr. RF Cathcart: http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2008/cathcart.html; http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html and http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_cathcart.html

Dr. HD Riordan: http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2005/hriordan.html; http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n09.shtml; http://www.doctoryourself.com/riordan1.html and http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_riordan.html

Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

Editorial Review Board:

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.
Damien Downing, M.D.
Michael Gonzalez, D.Sc., Ph.D.
Steve Hickey, Ph.D.
James A. Jackson, PhD
Bo H. Jonsson, MD, Ph.D
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D.
Jorge R. Miranda-Massari, Pharm.D.
Erik Paterson, M.D.
Gert E. Shuitemaker, Ph.D.

IV vitamin C drip improves quality of life in breast cancer patients post-chemotherapy. A cohort study

http://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/25/6/983.short

IV vitamin C drip helps with pain in treatment of shingles

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3560828/

Phase I Evaluation of Intravenous Ascorbic Acid in Combination with Gemcitabine and Erlotinib in Patients with Metastatic Pancreatic Cancer

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00280-013-2179-9

This is not proof that vitamin C is effective in treating cancer, but it shows that it is well-tolerated in cancer patients and is a call for phase II clinical trials.

If what Offit was saying was true, why are they still conducting trials on vitamin C as an adjunct therapy for cancer?

The rich and famous do this weekly

The latest must-have procedure of the wellness-obsessed is a customised intravenous vitamin cocktail.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/youre-so-vein-20130710-2ppye.html

While IV vitamin therapy isn't new - 50 years ago, American doctor John Myers treated fatigue and depression with his injectable ''Myers' Cocktail'' of B6, B12, and magnesium - the practice is also enjoying a resurgence with private clinics in Sydney and Melbourne offering tailored treatments for an assortment of chronic and seasonal ailments

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

In 2012, more than half of all Americans took some form of vitamin supplements.

I love this quote from the Atlantic!

What they don't tell you is, people who take vitamins don't see physicians.

puhim says

The rich and famous do this weekly

The latest must-have procedure of the wellness-obsessed is a customised intravenous vitamin cocktail.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/youre-so-vein-20130710-2ppye.html

Yes, we must do exactly what a few rich and famous people do because...

puhim says

B.A.C.A.H. says

But puhim is more clever (and so also more effective) than Bigsby (or me) at making tobarvich'a original point!

That's right keep taking those med's

laughter! The best medicine. Thanks, "doc"!

Don't know what the article's agenda is, but it is a good example of not taking a random journalist at face value.

Pauling did not advocate mega dose therapy for anything but Vitamin C.

He postulated that people varied in their ability to uptake and utilize various vitamins optimally. He distinguished between the minimal dose necessary to prevent symptoms of deficiency, and the optimal dose, which would be a larger dose than one simply adequate to prevent obvious pathology.

He further speculated that this utilization would occur roughly along a bell shaped curve, as do many phenomena in biochemistry and genetics i.e. there would be a broad band of people who would do fine with a basic preventative dose, there would be a smaller percentage who needed very little, and at the other end, a percentage of low utilizers who could use a much larger dose of a given vitamin.

Since nobody knows exactly where they stand in relation to these various bell shaped curves for all of the known vitamins, he stated that you should go vitamin free for a while and titrate i.e. increase your dose of a single vitamin until you feel better and then record that, then start over again and titrate another vitamin until you know for yourself which doses might be optimal. That way, you can develop your own dosages and profile, and for some people, they might wind up taking quite a bit of some vitamins or very little of others.

I wonder if that journalist even read what Pauling wrote, or cared, he just seems to be intent on attacking the vitamin industry.

Also, the populations that do and don't take vitamins might be different. Sick or unhealthy people might already be inclined to take more vitamins, whereas people who are healthy and have a sense of well being already might not.

At any rate, the article does not pass the BS sniff test.

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

puhim says

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

ok try this dimwitts

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/search_results.shtml?cx=012934609838436511334%3Aeuo7oo38sqc&cof=FORID%3A11&q=vitamin+deficiency&sa=Search&siteurl=orthomolecular.org%2Flibrary%2Fjom%2Findex.shtml&ref=www.orthomolecular.org%2Fresources%2Fomns%2F&ss=10479j15451683j26

pick your paper, everything from cholesterol to Alzheimers Deficiency triggers caused by a lack of Vitamins

Nearly 2000 peer reviewed articles

About 1,980 results

Bigsby says

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

Realy, you dumbass

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/editors.shtml

http://orthomolecular.org/history/index.shtml

Orthomolecular Hall Of Fame

The importance of diet in relationship to optimal health has been understood throughout recorded history. Hippocrates regarded food as a primary form of medicine more than 2,500 years ago. Records from ancient Egypt as far back as 5000 BC show the use of specific foods to treat various conditions.

The first person to show a direct link between disease and a lack of a specific nutrient was James Lind, a physician in the British navy, who discovered that sailors on long voyages without rations containing citrus fruits developed bleeding gums, rough skin, poor muscle tension, and slow-healing wounds, all symptoms characteristic of scurvy. In 1757, in one of the first controlled medical experiments, Lind demonstrated that when sailors were supplied with lemons, limes, and oranges, scurvy could be prevented. As a result of his findings, Captain James Cook made it mandatory that every English sailor be supplied with rations of lemons and limes, enabling to sail around the world scurvy-free, as well as supplying them with the nickname "limeys." Today, it is well known that scurvy is due to vitamin C deficiency.

Christiaan Eijkman
1858-1930

Christiaan Eijkman, a Dutch physician, is famous for his nutritional research. In 1893 he discovered that a diet of polished (overkvernet) rice causes beriberi, and was able to produce the disease experimentally in birds. He discovered vitamin B.

In 1897, Christiaan Eijkman proved that an element in unpolished rice was essential to proper functioning of the nervous system and carbohydrate metabolism, and that a deficiency in that ingredient could cause beriberi and other diseases. In 1929, his research resulted in him sharing the Nobel Prize with British biochemist Sir Frederick Gowland Hopkins for physiology and medicine.

puhim says

Bigsby says

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

Realy, you dumbass

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/editors.shtml

Is it or is it not an alternative med site? Are you arguing it is the equivalent of something like the BMJ?

But these guys know nothing right!

Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
1917-2009
Hall of Fame 2006
Abram Hoffer was an internationally recognized physician, author, medical researcher and pioneer in the use of vitamins and nutrients to treat disease. Dr. Hoffer has spent the past five decades conducting research related to the practice of orthomolecular medicine, which emphasizes the use of nutrients in optimum doses for the treatment of a wide range of diseases. His medical discoveries have been the topic of more than a dozen books and literally hundreds of research papers.

In 1952 he and his colleagues began developing a more effective treatment for schizophrenia that involved a biochemical hypothesis. They tried two nutrients: vitamin C and vitamin B3. He found that we could halve the two-year recovery rate of patients just by adding these vitamins to the program. This was the first major systematic attempt to use large dosages of vitamins therapeutically. In 1955 he also discovered that niacin lowered cholesterol levels.

puhim says

But these guys know nothing right!

They seemingly don't know enough to get themselves published in respected journals.

Bigsby says

Is it or is it not an alternative med site?

No it is not an alternative med site. Not by a mile.

http://orthomolecular.org/index.shtml

it is peer-reviewed

puhim says

Bigsby says

Is it or is it not an alternative med site?

No it is not an alternative med site. Not by a mile.

What is it then? And don't lie...

NOTE: Four decades of papers from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine are now online for you to read.href="http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/" http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/ The JOM Archive is a free service with no advertising.

puhim says

http://orthomolecular.org/index.shtml

it is peer-reviewed

By people who believe in the same thing.

Bigsby says

What is it then? And don't lie...

Do some reading. You may find it informative.

puhim says

NOTE: Four decades of papers from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine are now online for you to read.href="http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/" http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/ The JOM Archive is a free service with no advertising.

You haven't answered my question.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n03.shtml

OMNS, January 15, 2010) Did you know that there are "good" medical journals, and that there are "naughty" medical journals?

It is a medical journal. peer reviewed.

I guess self described as "NAUGHTY"?

puhim says

Bigsby says

What is it then? And don't lie...

Do some reading. You may find it informative.

I have. It is a website for alternative medicine based on nutrition. It isn't a mainstream medical journal or website.

puhim says

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n03.shtml

OMNS, January 15, 2010) Did you know that there are "good" medical journals, and that there are "naughty" medical journals?

It is a medical journal. peer reviewed.

And there you have it.

Bigsby says

I have. It is a website for alternative medicine based on nutrition. It isn't a mainstream medical journal or website.

no, it is a medical journal.

I love how your opinions don't allow you to think beyond "MAINSTREAM" regardless if you have not read anything on the medical journal.

Bigsby says

And there you have it.

of course, that's why i posted it. i think they have amazing content all peer reviewed, even some from Harvard, but MAINSTREAM MEDIA, well that WOULD NEVER BE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

Use your brain!

trust me you are not smart enough to even start to debunk anything on that site.

but they all must be lying to us!!!

thats why 70-80% of all Americans suffer with Vitamin deficiencies.

keep thinking you are eating a healthy diet.

http://orthomolecular.org/history/myths/index.shtml

Myth: Vitamins are dangerous.

Truth: In over the past 10 years, no one has died from taking vitamin supplements.
According to the "2001 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers Toxic Exposure Surveillance System," the number of deaths resulted from taking vitamins is ZERO.

Myth: No one is deficient of essential nutrients.

Truth: According to the "USDA's Continuing Survey of Food Intakes by Individuals", a major amount of people do not consume enough essential vitamins and minerals in their diets compared to the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs). Below are some statistics from the survey which list the percentage of people (age 20 and over) who do not meet the RDAs for:

Vitamin A:
Males: 60.9%
Females: 59.6%
Vitamin E:
Males: 64.4%
Females: 73.0%
Vitamin B6:
Males: 52.6%
Females: 64.2%
Calcium:
Males: 55.4%
Females: 78.0%
Magnesium:
Males: 65.7%
Females: 75.7%
Zinc:
Males: 67.6%
Females: 82.6%

Enjoy dumbass

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/publications/hei/HEi89-90report.pdf

USDA own stats