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While IV vitamin therapy isn't new - 50 years ago, American doctor John Myers treated fatigue and depression with his injectable ''Myers' Cocktail'' of B6, B12, and magnesium - the practice is also enjoying a resurgence with private clinics in Sydney and Melbourne offering tailored treatments for an assortment of chronic and seasonal ailments

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

In 2012, more than half of all Americans took some form of vitamin supplements.

I love this quote from the Atlantic!

What they don't tell you is, people who take vitamins don't see physicians.

puhim says

The rich and famous do this weekly

The latest must-have procedure of the wellness-obsessed is a customised intravenous vitamin cocktail.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/youre-so-vein-20130710-2ppye.html

Yes, we must do exactly what a few rich and famous people do because...

puhim says

B.A.C.A.H. says

But puhim is more clever (and so also more effective) than Bigsby (or me) at making tobarvich'a original point!

That's right keep taking those med's

laughter! The best medicine. Thanks, "doc"!

Don't know what the article's agenda is, but it is a good example of not taking a random journalist at face value.

Pauling did not advocate mega dose therapy for anything but Vitamin C.

He postulated that people varied in their ability to uptake and utilize various vitamins optimally. He distinguished between the minimal dose necessary to prevent symptoms of deficiency, and the optimal dose, which would be a larger dose than one simply adequate to prevent obvious pathology.

He further speculated that this utilization would occur roughly along a bell shaped curve, as do many phenomena in biochemistry and genetics i.e. there would be a broad band of people who would do fine with a basic preventative dose, there would be a smaller percentage who needed very little, and at the other end, a percentage of low utilizers who could use a much larger dose of a given vitamin.

Since nobody knows exactly where they stand in relation to these various bell shaped curves for all of the known vitamins, he stated that you should go vitamin free for a while and titrate i.e. increase your dose of a single vitamin until you feel better and then record that, then start over again and titrate another vitamin until you know for yourself which doses might be optimal. That way, you can develop your own dosages and profile, and for some people, they might wind up taking quite a bit of some vitamins or very little of others.

I wonder if that journalist even read what Pauling wrote, or cared, he just seems to be intent on attacking the vitamin industry.

Also, the populations that do and don't take vitamins might be different. Sick or unhealthy people might already be inclined to take more vitamins, whereas people who are healthy and have a sense of well being already might not.

At any rate, the article does not pass the BS sniff test.

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

puhim says

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

ok try this dimwitts

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/search_results.shtml?cx=012934609838436511334%3Aeuo7oo38sqc&cof=FORID%3A11&q=vitamin+deficiency&sa=Search&siteurl=orthomolecular.org%2Flibrary%2Fjom%2Findex.shtml&ref=www.orthomolecular.org%2Fresources%2Fomns%2F&ss=10479j15451683j26

pick your paper, everything from cholesterol to Alzheimers Deficiency triggers caused by a lack of Vitamins

Nearly 2000 peer reviewed articles

About 1,980 results

Bigsby says

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

Realy, you dumbass

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/editors.shtml

http://orthomolecular.org/history/index.shtml

Orthomolecular Hall Of Fame

The importance of diet in relationship to optimal health has been understood throughout recorded history. Hippocrates regarded food as a primary form of medicine more than 2,500 years ago. Records from ancient Egypt as far back as 5000 BC show the use of specific foods to treat various conditions.

The first person to show a direct link between disease and a lack of a specific nutrient was James Lind, a physician in the British navy, who discovered that sailors on long voyages without rations containing citrus fruits developed bleeding gums, rough skin, poor muscle tension, and slow-healing wounds, all symptoms characteristic of scurvy. In 1757, in one of the first controlled medical experiments, Lind demonstrated that when sailors were supplied with lemons, limes, and oranges, scurvy could be prevented. As a result of his findings, Captain James Cook made it mandatory that every English sailor be supplied with rations of lemons and limes, enabling to sail around the world scurvy-free, as well as supplying them with the nickname "limeys." Today, it is well known that scurvy is due to vitamin C deficiency.

Christiaan Eijkman
1858-1930

Christiaan Eijkman, a Dutch physician, is famous for his nutritional research. In 1893 he discovered that a diet of polished (overkvernet) rice causes beriberi, and was able to produce the disease experimentally in birds. He discovered vitamin B.

In 1897, Christiaan Eijkman proved that an element in unpolished rice was essential to proper functioning of the nervous system and carbohydrate metabolism, and that a deficiency in that ingredient could cause beriberi and other diseases. In 1929, his research resulted in him sharing the Nobel Prize with British biochemist Sir Frederick Gowland Hopkins for physiology and medicine.

puhim says

Bigsby says

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

Realy, you dumbass

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/editors.shtml

Is it or is it not an alternative med site? Are you arguing it is the equivalent of something like the BMJ?

But these guys know nothing right!

Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
1917-2009
Hall of Fame 2006
Abram Hoffer was an internationally recognized physician, author, medical researcher and pioneer in the use of vitamins and nutrients to treat disease. Dr. Hoffer has spent the past five decades conducting research related to the practice of orthomolecular medicine, which emphasizes the use of nutrients in optimum doses for the treatment of a wide range of diseases. His medical discoveries have been the topic of more than a dozen books and literally hundreds of research papers.

In 1952 he and his colleagues began developing a more effective treatment for schizophrenia that involved a biochemical hypothesis. They tried two nutrients: vitamin C and vitamin B3. He found that we could halve the two-year recovery rate of patients just by adding these vitamins to the program. This was the first major systematic attempt to use large dosages of vitamins therapeutically. In 1955 he also discovered that niacin lowered cholesterol levels.

puhim says

But these guys know nothing right!

They seemingly don't know enough to get themselves published in respected journals.

Bigsby says

Is it or is it not an alternative med site?

No it is not an alternative med site. Not by a mile.

http://orthomolecular.org/index.shtml

it is peer-reviewed

puhim says

Bigsby says

Is it or is it not an alternative med site?

No it is not an alternative med site. Not by a mile.

What is it then? And don't lie...

NOTE: Four decades of papers from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine are now online for you to read.href="http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/" http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/ The JOM Archive is a free service with no advertising.

puhim says

http://orthomolecular.org/index.shtml

it is peer-reviewed

By people who believe in the same thing.

Bigsby says

What is it then? And don't lie...

Do some reading. You may find it informative.

puhim says

NOTE: Four decades of papers from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine are now online for you to read.href="http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/" http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/ The JOM Archive is a free service with no advertising.

You haven't answered my question.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n03.shtml

OMNS, January 15, 2010) Did you know that there are "good" medical journals, and that there are "naughty" medical journals?

It is a medical journal. peer reviewed.

I guess self described as "NAUGHTY"?

puhim says

Bigsby says

What is it then? And don't lie...

Do some reading. You may find it informative.

I have. It is a website for alternative medicine based on nutrition. It isn't a mainstream medical journal or website.

puhim says

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n03.shtml

OMNS, January 15, 2010) Did you know that there are "good" medical journals, and that there are "naughty" medical journals?

It is a medical journal. peer reviewed.

And there you have it.

Bigsby says

I have. It is a website for alternative medicine based on nutrition. It isn't a mainstream medical journal or website.

no, it is a medical journal.

I love how your opinions don't allow you to think beyond "MAINSTREAM" regardless if you have not read anything on the medical journal.

Bigsby says

And there you have it.

of course, that's why i posted it. i think they have amazing content all peer reviewed, even some from Harvard, but MAINSTREAM MEDIA, well that WOULD NEVER BE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

Use your brain!

trust me you are not smart enough to even start to debunk anything on that site.

but they all must be lying to us!!!

thats why 70-80% of all Americans suffer with Vitamin deficiencies.

keep thinking you are eating a healthy diet.

http://orthomolecular.org/history/myths/index.shtml

Myth: Vitamins are dangerous.

Truth: In over the past 10 years, no one has died from taking vitamin supplements.
According to the "2001 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers Toxic Exposure Surveillance System," the number of deaths resulted from taking vitamins is ZERO.

Myth: No one is deficient of essential nutrients.

Truth: According to the "USDA's Continuing Survey of Food Intakes by Individuals", a major amount of people do not consume enough essential vitamins and minerals in their diets compared to the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs). Below are some statistics from the survey which list the percentage of people (age 20 and over) who do not meet the RDAs for:

Vitamin A:
Males: 60.9%
Females: 59.6%
Vitamin E:
Males: 64.4%
Females: 73.0%
Vitamin B6:
Males: 52.6%
Females: 64.2%
Calcium:
Males: 55.4%
Females: 78.0%
Magnesium:
Males: 65.7%
Females: 75.7%
Zinc:
Males: 67.6%
Females: 82.6%

Enjoy dumbass

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/publications/hei/HEi89-90report.pdf

USDA own stats

You still think you are eating a healthy "ENOUGH"diet?

puhim says

Bigsby says

I have. It is a website for alternative medicine based on nutrition. It isn't a mainstream medical journal or website.

no, it is a medical journal.

I love how your opinions don't allow you to think beyond "MAINSTREAM" regardless if you have not read anything on the medical journal.

And I love how you take medical views expressed on an alternative medicine website as gospel because they are reviewed by people who also believe in this particular area of alternative medicine. You aren't Bgamall/The Professor are you because your argument seems to be the medical equivalent of their 9/11 spiel. 'Don't believe the 9/11 story? Then look at the 'proof' on this website.'

puhim says

You still think you are eating a healthy "ENOUGH"diet?

Since when did anyone argue that nobody was deficient in vitamins. Do your websites enjoy refuting myths that never existed in the first place?

Bigsby you cannot claim to even be in a conversation when you cannot open your own mind beyond what is considered "MAINSTREAM", when the fact is that this site is peer reviewed way beyond your understanding and
education. The reason I posted the press release showing how "MAINSTREAM" ignores them was to show how pathetic the "MAINSTREAM" are, how bought and paid for by the BIG PHARMA the so called "MAINSTREAM JOURNALS ARE". Even studies from Harvard and a lot more are deemed "NAUGHTY"

So shut it!

It shows your true ignorance to information so my mission is complete.

Bigsby your an ASKHOLE IGNORAMOUS

that is Bigsby you are someone who asks like a dick for evidence of something and then denies what is in-front of him

puhim says

Bigsby you cannot claim to even be in a conversation when you cannot open your own mind beyond what is considered "MAINSTREAM", when the fact is that this site is peer reviewed way beyond your understanding and

education. The reason I posted the press release showing how "MAINSTREAM" ignores them was to show how pathetic the "MAINSTREAM" are, how bought and paid for by the BIG PHARMA the so called "MAINSTREAM JOURNALS ARE". Even studies from Harvard and a lot more are deemed "NAUGHTY"

So shut it!

It shows your true ignorance to information so my mission is complete.

Yes, it says everything that needs to be said that you favour an alternative medicine website over widely respected medical journals. You are indeed a free-thinker... free of any brain cells that is.

Bigsby says

Yes, it says everything that needs to be said that you favour an alternative medicine website over widely respected medical journals. You are indeed a free-thinker... free of any brain cells that is.

Your logic makes no sense. For one I never claimed that I would never reference mainstream journals. In fact even Harvard articles are left out amongst many, many other so-called "MAINSTREAM" studies.

My process was to show that you infact could not think beyond your own nose.

Gaga goo goo.

Pre-programmed zombie.

You sound like your are suffering Serious Arrested Development but I'm no doctor!
Just a well informed by stander