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Crest removes POISON Triclosan from Toothpaste finaly, what about Fluoride!
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2013 Aug 2, 4:46am 11,268 views 38 comments
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That's a little condescending. Fact is that triclosan even more so than fluoride is a toxic waste (by)product that are being monetized just because they have some antibacterial properties while it would be much safer and healthier to use similar (natural) products that are far less harmful. The question is of course if the small dosage has a significant impact, but there is always accumulation and little kids often swallow toothpaste when they haven't figured out how to properly spit it out yet. It's a valid concern no doubt.
Fluoride is more toxic than lead and marginally less so than arsenic
That's a little condescending. Fact is that triclosan even more so than fluoride is a toxic waste (by)product that are being monetized just because they have some antibacterial properties while it would be much safer and healthier to use similar (natural) products that are far less harmful. The question is of course if the small dosage has a significant impact, but there is always accumulation and little kids often swallow toothpaste when they haven't figured out how to properly spit it out yet. It's a valid concern no doubt.
Fluoride is more toxic than lead and marginally less so than arsenic
True - it has been maintained though by most dentists that it is the most superior form of preventing tooth decay, which I doubt. I'd say fluoride in toothpaste is a personal decision for adults, but definitely a crime in drinking water.
he question is of course if the small dosage has a significant impact, but there is always accumulation and little kids often swallow toothpaste when they haven't figured out how to properly spit it out yet. It's a valid concern no doubt.
and over fluoridation which is common and hazardous reduces IQ's by 20% PROVEN!
dentists that it is the most superior form of preventing tooth decay
I would not believe anything your dentist says about chemicals, they have no clue.
A dentist will fill your mouth with mercury and send you on your way!
I'd say fluoride in toothpaste is a personal decision for adults, but definitely a crime in drinking water.
What about when you take a shower or wash your hands or eat food grown in fields covered in fluoride. Should we really be adding it to drinking water?
NO WAY!
It's too much!!!
You know what else is Potentially fatal? Iodine taken in large quantities. Yet your body requires small amounts of iodine to survive ( hence why we have iodized salt). Science sure is funny ain't it? Part of what science is all about is comprehending different statistics, causes, and affect. This goes for chemical reactions not only in the lab but in our bodies. Too much of this or that can indeed be harmful while proper amounts are in some cases health benefits. The takeaway: dosage makes a HUGE difference.
Either way, it seems like we see many of these sorts of posts here. If you really want to have something to worry about, worry about getting skin cancer. Yup- skin cancer caused by the sun and is the most common form of cancer by far. So perhaps time would be better spent educating the public over the importance of wearing proper skin protective clothing and sun screen instead of railing against fluoride, chem trails, or long-proven vaccines.
Shaman
2013 Aug 2, 8:19am
Omg! I just realized why I am not a super genius! It's because I've been brushing my teeth with fluoride toothpaste and drinking tap water all my life! Wow!
That's going to be my excuse the next time I fu$& up something at work. Thanks, puhim!
That's a little condescending. Fact is that triclosan even more so than fluoride is a toxic waste
Edvard is not a critical thinker. He has no interest in discovering the truth for himself. He is by definition of a pre-programmed Zombie. He goes with the hurd, straight in to the grave.
Omg! I just realized why I am not a super genius! It's because I've been brushing my teeth with fluoride toothpaste and drinking tap water all my life! Wow!
That's going to be my excuse the next time I fu$& up something at work. Thanks, puhim!
20 IQ points is nothing to sniff at when you are under 100 pts Quigley.
Glad you find it amusing. Like every other denialist.
Most if not all of the Western world had BANNED Fluoride as an additive.
Time for the dumb stragglers in the USA to wakeup.
GMO is next.
"After examining the results of 27 Chinese-based studies, experts from the Harvard School of Public Health and China Medical University in Shenyang found evidence that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children."
As would Hannibal Lector
Really! A fictional character, that's the best you can come with!
How about moving away from fiction and work with the FACTS!
You posted a ton of words and not one word shows you did any reading of the subject matter or any research for yourself.
You want answers yet you close your eyes and ears to what is around you. You want to know "MY" reasoning, mine is still irrelevant of the FACTS!
If Hannibal keeps putting poison in your mouth and making money off of you in a free market condition aren't you supposed to allow the failure of his practice to take place organically before you can ask for alternatives?
You forget "ALL" US Medical practices are inside a monopolistic bubble.
It it not a FREE MARKET! Not even close.
Hence the fact that virtually all US medical treatment is THREE TIMES MORE than anywhere else in the world.
To believe it is 3x better is delusional.
Dentist like Doctors have no brains of there own.
They cling to the tree of knowledge that feeds them. They vomit whatever bullshit they are told to, just like politicians.
They are not designed to be independent thinkers, to even look beyond there own neighborhoods or to foreign shores for example.
What is legal or illegal is irrelevant , the rest of the world is not an Island.
Ignore them at your peril.
It's BANNED in nearly every Western Country and many others, just like GMO, for a VERY GOOD REASON.
Maybe you should ask the question why have the EPA and FDA done nothing about this for 50 years while all other Western Governments have acted?
Why, because they are all BOUGHT AND PAID FOR! The are OWNED!
Even the Chinese who now are the sole exporters of this shit have produced studies that it's Shrinking YOUR BRAIN! and activates CANCERS!
The Chinese will not dump it into there own water supplies but your local US municipality will purchase it from china and order it dumped into the water at 1.7PPM!!!! (0.06ppm is too much)! because his dentist said so!!
What a joke!
Tell me I'm wrong.
You are wrong OK, first you continue to make brain dead suppositions that have no relation to the discussion and draw ZERO conclusions from the supplied evidence for yourself.
USE YOUR OWN BRAIN!
Poison is poison. Some poisons are clearly outrageous, just like arsenic should not be fed to Chickens and Arsenic should not be in Apple juice, Fluoride should not be dumped into the water because some stupid Dentist doesn't 't know shit about chemicals.
You should be more concerned about that than your stupid little irrelevancies.
The dangers of FLUORIDE have been well documented and studied for 50 years. It's only the dumb asses here that bury their heads in the sand.
What you should be worried about is the EPA and FDA not doing it's job in the slightest. Perhaps hire some non Monsanto workers over there!
Dan8267
2013 Aug 2, 1:32pm
Like many other chemicals, in small amounts fluoride is safe and in regards to its inclusion in tooth paste, is proven as a cavity preventing ingredient. There is a very small amount in tooth paste. Tooth decay on the other hand can lead to serious health problems such as infections and even heart disease.
So once more the realities of this situation should be weighed.
Absolutely true. Bacteria in tooth infections can destroy bone and release poisons into the blood stream which cause all sorts of problems including heart problems.
Fluoride and other poisons are used in toothpastes and mouthwashes precisely because they are poisonous. They kill off bacteria which causes tooth decay and a host of other problems. If they weren't poisonous to the bacteria, they wouldn't work.
Of course, one doesn't swallow toothpaste or mouthwash. Drinking water is another story and perhaps that should be fluoride free. It's not like the fluoride put in drinking water can act as a replacement for flossing and brushing.
Also, I have read that although alcohol can kill off the bacteria, there are other problems it causes. So you're better off using an alcohol free mouthwash. Just my two cents.
You know what else is Potentially fatal? Iodine taken in large quantities. Yet your body requires small amounts of iodine to survive ( hence why we have iodized salt).
That's true, however the body does not need (want) ANY fluoride, even in small amounts it is unhealthy whereas with iodine you have a clear benefit up to a tipping point. I don't think it should be banned though from toothpaste as you can buy flouride-free toothpaste readily. I find it somewhat problematic in kids toothpaste. Putting fluoride in drinking water though should be a no-no for any government.
Shaman
2013 Aug 3, 7:03am
Omg! I just realized why I am not a super genius! It's because I've been brushing my teeth with fluoride toothpaste and drinking tap water all my life! Wow!
That's going to be my excuse the next time I fu$& up something at work. Thanks, puhim!
20 IQ points is nothing to sniff at when you are under 100 pts Quigley.
Glad you find it amusing. Like every other denialist.
Correlation does not equal causation. I'm actually a trained scientist, with a degree and everything. You can't prove your case with any of the studies cited. Take the Chinese kids example: the rural Chinese are probably duller to begin with! Smarter people gravitate toward urban life where more stimulation is available. While Jim Bob (Lim Bo) stays and works the rice paddy. Since the researchers didnt account for either socioeconomic factors, environmental factors beyond the single data point they cherry-picked (Fl), or average vocation/skill level among the compared populations . . .
Boom. Study is meaningless.
Correlation does not equal causation. I'm actually a trained scientis
Excuse me but I will not take your word for it.
You claim you are a scientist but arbitrarily dismiss the study without producing any of your own work.
Show us your peer reviewed study Quigley?
Quigley your no scientist, your more like a Bullshit artist.
the rural Chinese are probably duller to begin with!
WOW! What an idiot! This is your SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION!
Do me a favor your a joke.
Fluoride and other poisons are used in toothpastes and mouthwashes precisely because they are poisonous
OMFG! Another idiot!
"only rx flouride is antibacterial"
"fluoride does not kill the bacteria, there are detergents in the toothpaste that do that. Also you can buy toothpaste that have bacteria-killing substances (these are usually called like "complete" toothpastes.) "
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Did you know that many toothpastes contain an antibacterial agent called triclosan. Its in all kinds of products, like hand sanitizers and deodorants. If you look on your toothpastes ingredient panel you may find triclosan under "Active ingredients." What's the problem with triclosan? Last year, more than 70 groups filed a petition with the Environmental Protection Agency to restrict the chemical in consumer products because of health concerns. The European Union and other countries have banned or restricted triclosan. Still, the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says it is investigating the health issues, but doesn't yet have enough evidence...
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