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B.A.C.A.H. says

Looks like a Princess drew him in.

BACAH, are you white?

looks like youre employing the typical defense of the liberal political platform that most 'minorities' employ by exaggerating the opposition and playing up women's shortcomings and insecurities. The typical PIMP social pattern.

marcus says

There has been a lag in realizing that woman can do Math, programming, and engineering too, although women are so far less likely to choose to stay on that path. Part of the reason is that there are a lot of women that go through engineering programs, only to be directed towards management or tangential jobs that involve more collaboration and communication.

As an engineer I'm always annoyed when I see the media looking hard for that one girl that is good at it and can be pushed forward as a role model. (and correspondingly avoiding boys with similar or greater achievements).

Not that women can't do it, but there are more women pushing for equality and looking for that role model than there are women actually willing to log thousands of hours with their noses stuck into the guts of a computer.
It's cold and not very emotionally satisfying.

And if women claim equality but are unwilling to be the nerds, what is their credibility?

marcus says

Between 1989 and 2008, the approximate percentages of women receiving their Bachelor’s degree in any engineering field were 17% and 19.6%, respectively. The percentage increase in the computer science industry displayed was larger, increasing from approximately 10% in 1989 to 21% in 2008.

If half the energy spent by women pushing for equality in engineering was spent actually studying engineering, there would have been 50+% women engineers for decades.

Heraclitusstudent says

And if women claim equality but are unwilling to be the nerds, what is their credibility?

for a while we were seeing women trying to get 'managerial' roles in technical projects, but typically the engineers can't stand them because they know precisely nothing about the products, and they are easily manipulated and the group dynamics break down quickly.

One experience I had was with a laughable woman 'CEO' that got her money through some 'women entrepreneur' grant. Did she hire women? only one or two in key visible positions. The engineers despised her and just basically played along to get paid. She had basically spent much of her working life in these positions as a 20 something paid to sit around and look good, but she believed(she was probably told this) that she was there because she was good at her job. This expanded her ego, but the moment she was put into a real risk-taking position, she was hilariously inept. She responded to a string of failures by morphing into the most hideously manipulative bitch I've ever had to be around, this in turn scared off the useful people resulting in being surrounded by worthless sycophants and bullshit artists. Guess what happened next?

yes these are the results of 'gender equality'. Fact was this person should have been home spending time with her kids and not trying to play CEO. I believe the whole episode ended with her divorce from her husband. Of course this woman will not be held responsible for the debt she incurred because the 'women entrepreneur' grant does not require that she actually succeed at business, only that she act and look the part of a 'women entrepreneur'.

MershedPerturders says

for a while we were seeing women trying to get 'managerial' roles in technical projects, but typically the engineers can't stand them because they know precisely nothing about the products, and they are easily manipulated and the group dynamics break down quickly.

That's BS as well. I know a lot of women engineers and they are as competent as men and as considered in the team.

I see a lot of women engineers immigrating from China in particular because they have more gender equality there - though less feminist rhetoric.

I think it's somewhat true about less women either entering engineering or staying with it after completing an engineering program. But I don't know what the conclusion is from that. Maybe part of it was doors not being as open to them and or perception of women as being less capable.

I'm a Math teacher who every year sees close to as many and often more girls and young women being successful in math than boys and young men. And yet deep down, I think I'm still prejudiced against women.

Especially if she is attractive and you know, a girly girl. Then I'm likely (on some level) to be surprised if she has a super high Math aptitude and super high performance in my class.

Ask yourself. Put yourself back in college or your twenties, and you meet an extremely attractive and very feminine woman. Is it easy for you to see a possibility that she's more intelligent than you ? That is not just with knowledge, but with reasoning ?

I can see that prejudice that exists, and even a very weird psychology, or need to feel intellectually superior (or certainly equal at a minimum) making the boys club of the engineering world, very difficult for a talented young woman to navigate.

Heraclitusstudent says

That's BS as well. I know a lot of women engineers and they are as competent as men and as considered in the team.

all the women in my engineering course were the most manipulative lying cunts I can imagine. They knew precisely nothing about the subject matter and scored all As. Sometimes we were put into groups to solve problems. They would do nothing but sit there.

MershedPerturders says

They would do nothing but sit there.

That's probably because they knew you had a psychological need to dominate the discussion.

marcus says

Ask yourself. Put yourself back in college or your twenties, and you meet an extremely attractive and very feminine woman. Is it easy for you to see her as more intelligent than you ?

a huge blindspot of the American male is that they believe that 'hotness' is some kind of trait youre born with. They overlook the amount of time and energy women expend to look 'hot'. They dont just roll out of bed like this, and knowing this and expressing this knowledge is very much taboo in our society. Again, just go to a drug store and see how much real estate goes to selling cosmetics.

given that women spend HUGE amounts of time just attaining a look that garners an acceptable 'love life', yes it is surprising that women should have the requisite skills to do something like Medical or Engineering. It takes dedication and you can't also be a silly flirty whorebag and also provide this function to society. Some women do take the field seriously, then find they are completely unattractive to men. They look at the other girls who are not so sincere and see them with boyfriends and get jealous. Thus- career life and happy home life/sex life are simply incompatible for women. THE PROBLEM is that we are (attempting to) make it work with state funds. It can't work. It never has worked. It never will work.

The reason why it persists is that 50% of the population is willing to continue the experiment indefinitely. The problem for them is that this experiment REQUIRES compliance from men in all sectors of life, work, dating, politics, and what have you. They are starting to defect from the program and it's driving women absolutely crazy.

Im heterosexual and I refuse to be married under these terms. I've seen far too many causalities.

marcus says

I'm a Math teacher who every year sees close to as many and often more girls and young women being successful in math than boys and young men. And yet deep down, I think I'm still prejudiced against women.

The media endlessly repeats that women are not doing it because they are discriminated against or the "doors are not being as open". They make you feel guilty about how you feel.

That's BS. Someone who spends the hours opens the door. Math is the same for everyone. It doesn't discriminate. And contrary to other subject matters, there are objective measures of whether someone can do it or not. How you feel has nothing to do with it.

Just be objective.

marcus, you're clueless. I know many people like you who were raised on the concepts of gender equality, and they are completely blind to the contradictions in it, not to mention their investments and connections make it personally impossible for them to operate on anything else.

I've worked in the fashion industry and the cosmetics industry. You really have no idea the amount of money women spend to look a certain way.

You tell me how is it that one PERSON who spends 2 hours a day getting ready can have the same level of dedication as someone who spends 30 minutes? Now let's add it the likelihood of having children, and the general energy and effort women put into impressing and socializing with potential mates. Somehow after weve subtracted this focus and attention we are left with completely equal HUMANs? not in the least what we are left with is one human who is trying to do their job, and another human who is bullshitting her way through it, relying on perpetual subsidies and equalization programs, and sex appeal while she's got it.

MershedPerturders says

I know many people like you who were raised on the concepts of gender equality

No, I'm in my fifties. I was not raised with that idea. Or at least in some ways I did not believe it. At my old age, I now see women as very frequently more competent than men. Certainly not less competent than men (as a generalization).

Heraclitusstudent says

Just be objective

MY point was that the objective reality that I often see with female students does not fit with my feelings or expectations. I have slowly learned for example that there does not seem to be an intrinsic higher Math aptitude in men than in women.

marcus says

Heraclitusstudent says

Just be objective

MY point was that the objective reality that I often see with female students does not fit with my feelings or expectations

Do you mean they score lower contrary to your expectations? Or higher?
If they score higher, then they do, why do you feel guilty?

this is basically what Sex in the City is, it's a drama that attempts to create acceptable and believable responses to the various (largely negative) experiences that women have in this new feminist professional world.

for instance, one character(who doesnt look anything like the average mid-40s something) after a stint of lesbianism suddenly is propositioned by a handsome millionaire - at the age of 45-or-so.

The goal here is to convince women to keep riding that train, they'll be a happy ending. After years of loveless 'dating' and failed marriages, experiments in bisexuality, then some rich handsome guy begs you for access to your oh-so-hot body. There is a happy ending ladies, just hang on!

What millionaire would date a 45 year old? none that I've ever met. The goals of making a million dollars is so you can date a 20 something virgin who hopefully has never watched Sex In the City.

marcus says

No, I'm in my fifties.

it's typically people your age that have positive ideas about Feminism. The later generations are more tuned to my channel- except minority groups who look to feminists for political support- but have complete cynicism towards the values themselves. Many feminists will for instance date a black guy for a week or so, document the whole thing, post it to their facebook wall, just so they can score those political points.

Men my age either are Players- men who exploit the situation to impress their friends with how many chicks they can screw, Drop Outs- men who don't care and try to minimize their 'love life' as much as possible, and other groups (perverts are gaining ground considerably). Generally though these strategies are starting to be abandoned in favor of just a full on attack on liberal values.

its also why weve had virtually no technological, scientific, or even economic progress since the 60s.

END FEMINISM. BRING BACK PRODUCTIVITY.

Heraclitusstudent says

Do you mean they score lower contrary to your expectations? Or higher?

If they score higher, then they do, why do you feel guilty?

No it's not feeling guilty. Unless it's guilty about my prejudice. It's just sort of a realization. Wow, that girl is so smart. Way up there. And knowing them a little, just as people, interacting with them, and seeing the way they present themselves, and their personalities etc, I know if I met them at their age, it never would have occurred to me that they might have had IQs well above mine.

I would probably think their grades and performance was mostly because of their study habits, work ethic etc. But the truth is I'm talking about performing at a level that doesn't occur just from good study habits.

This is just me trying to share something that's not that easy to convey. Besides what I'm commenting on has to do with my insecurities in my younger days, and the prejudices that I can now see in myself. Even regarding my own sister for example.

MershedPerturders says

its also why weve had virtually no technological, scientific, or even economic progress since the 60s.

wtf ?

marcus says

Wow, that girl is so smart. Way up there. And knowing them a little, just as people, interacting with them, and seeing the way they present themselves, and their personalities etc, I know if I met them at their age, it never would have occurred to me that they might have had IQs well above mine.

it sounds to me like it's just sublimated sexual desire. Just going by your choice of words here.

basically what happened was after WWII, the west locked into a set of social values that haven't been altered or relocated, but they have expanded and overtaken many regions where more traditional ideas thrived. Of course practically any discussion on the real core values ends with the Godwinian 'Hitler' response or Taliban as the person above uses. What we can't accept is that these values, that we believe are the antidote to tyranny are really the ruling factors in modern tyranny. Obama is a tyrant in case you haven't noticed.

MershedPerturders says

it sounds to me like it's just sublimated sexual desire

That may be going on in some dark little corner of my mind, because I'm talking about some very special young women. But no, I was trying to share something very specific, which I don't think I can clearly communicate any better than my attempt here.

MershedPerturders says

Dan8267 says

MershedPerturders does come off as misogynistic

it's only misogyny if you define misogyny and any kind of criticism of Feminism.

Oh, I have no problem with criticism of any ideology. It's the wanting to take the vote away from women that seemed a bit extreme to me.

Wow, this thread has gone way off the tracks of the original post.

thing is, as with any cult, they carefully measure their demographics and psychology of their adherents(who translate directly to political support).

The goal is to create adherents who cannot leave the system.

how do they do it?

1) abortion: this particular one is supremely nasty and vile. They promote abortions to women, knowing that when they get abortions, they rarely defect from the system because the system offers them moral neutrality and non-judgmental treatment(where outside the cult they are thought to be baby killers). There is an extensive effort in colleges to promote abortion as something 1) hip and cool 2) morally neutral 3) anonymous 4) inexpensive/free. The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

2) career: they know that once a girl has signed onto a career and gone into debt, given up her best years at school and internships, she is not likely to look back to the world of 'traditional' values for support. It's virtually impossible for her to do so, she can only march forward with Sex in the City as her guide into the promising world of careers and some kind of relation to sex(less and less likely to be the opposite sex). The truth is that for women career usually implies emotional instablity and likely completely insanity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062634/One-American-women-medication-mental-disorder.html

All these things required and extremely compliant and patient male population. Actually this was the posture for most boomers, some kind of vague recognition that the women around them were all crazy, but somehow it had some kind of cosmic significance so they accepted it and usually told their sons that it was somehow tolerable. Later when the divorce rate skyrocketed and the level of discontent along with it, this attitude change, but most negativity was censured out in the news by Dr. Phil and likes. Reality is that home life of america is a war zone and has been completely demolished. This is why we increasingly turn to entertainment for fulfillment. There is nothing wholesome or fulfilling about our modern 'love' lives or broken 'family' lives.

and this brings us to HOUSING.

why have Americans become so obsessed with Houses?

when you take away the core basis for family, people look for outside material icons for things they lost but cannot accept are gone. Houses were one of these things. Women could feel that they lost something, but after their 18+ years of programming and TV reinforcement couldn't reason what it was. It had something to do with happiness, and HOME. Ever notice that realtors never use the term 'house' but rather 'home'? That's the psychological trick, they are really selling you a worthless wooden box, but are telling you that it's a home. Just set up a few props here and there, bring a dog around, a few vases to make it seem like someone is living there, and SOLD- that woman will sign anything just for a taste of that sense of happiness that it just a fading glimmer on the horizon.

How Women Ruled the 2012 Election

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/politics/women-election

MershedPerturders says

The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

Feminism has always been an elitist program. The 'success' is only available to very rich women. How many women do you know who can get a medical...

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

marcus says

MershedPerturders says

The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

When the shit about "family" starts, you know you're either talking with someone desperately in need of Thorazine and lithium, or, worse, someone from Colorado Springs.

When I hear the word "family", I reach for my gun.

marcus says

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

why is that? do you still believe this nonsense that the Abortion movement says about itself? Look into any objective source on US Abortion movement eg. Margeret Sanger and you will see the truth. I think the elites saw it partially as a population control device and partially for the reason I mention above.

ever wonder what happened to Roe from Roe vs. Wade?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/sc_TgP3QLE4

the entire case was a fraud.

Here's a good point: do you ever see women on this board concerned about the financial welfare of the US? even pointing out the problems? nope, theyre all here to find good deals on houses. Actually feminist realized there was this growing alarmism and actually created a feminist 'plant' inside this field! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf they put her there to take attention away from Feminism role in the collapse. Yes they are that sophisticated and extensive. The wealthy elites found out a long time ago that Feminism was an extremely effective way to neutralize their opponents. What better way to keep them down than their own wives?

HydroCabron says

When I hear the word "family", I reach for my gun.

liberal quote of the year.

enjoy your car, your house in the suburbs, your tv shows and your prescription drugs.

California is really beyond reform. They're just too far gone.

HydroCabron says

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

you assume I toe the Republican line. poor assumption.

MershedPerturders says

do you ever see women on this board concerned about the financial welfare of the US? even pointing out the problems?

I have it on very good authority that captainstfu, Honest Abe, Shrek and the proud liberal Dan are all in fact actually women.

jk.

But truthfully, I'm sure there are one or two people on here that you always assumed are men, that are actually women.

Then there's EllieMae. She has commented on all kinds of stuff at one time or another.

MershedPerturders says

HydroCabron says

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

you assume I toe the Republican line. poor assumption.

It's funny how one cannot argue a specific "edgy" point of view anymore without being grouped into one of the two mainstream political agendas/classes. Shows how useless left-wing vs right-wing or democrat vs republican has become, it's all being whitewashed and "assimilated" in the great wash tub of political correctness. The Borg would be proud - resistance is indeed futile ;)

Even Godwin's law is not what it used to be. No need anymore for the "Nazi!" accusation, just yell "Republican!" or "Democrat!" or "Liberal!" or "Tea-Party!" to end any meaningful discussion ;) Wait, I forgot "Nitwit!"

mell says

It's funny how one cannot argue a specific "edgy" point of view anymore without being grouped into one of the two mainstream political agendas/classes. Shows how useless left-wing vs right-wing or democrat vs republican has become, it's all being whitewashed and "assimilated" in the great wash tub of political correctness. The Borg would be proud - resistance is indeed futile ;)

do you think any sort of view or opinion that is effectively anti-elite is going to be even remotely popular? even vaguely intelligible through this veil of nonsense and bullshit were subjected to 24/7? More than likely any words that could potentially be used to describe an idea have been either removed, banned outright as heretical or insane, or the meaning has been altered so as to be unrecognizable.

we live in a massive work camp. It's more like a prison system.

mell says

Even Godwin's law is not what it used to be. No need anymore for the "Nazi!" accusation, just yell "Republican!" or "Democrat!" or "Liberal!" or "Tea-Party!" to end any meaningful discussion ;) Wait, I forgot "Nitwit!"

and of course all these categories are created and maintained by media owned by the same people. The create political categories according to the 'divide and conquer' principle.

It's like this, the reason they made the countries of the mid-east according to the map we currently know was because they knew that drawing the lines this way would result in a perpetual tension that would never be resolved, allowing them to simply approach the various warlords of the region to pump the oil out of the ground.

It's the same thing with these political lines. They calculate carefully these political categories knowing they will never be effective.

MershedPerturders says

and of course all these categories are created and maintained by media owned by the same people. The create political categories according to the 'divide and conquer' principle.

Agreed. Since you mentioned that asshat earlier, I am shocked and amazed about how much power over the masses some random dude like Dr Phil wields. People listen to him, nodding and clapping like brainless zombies while he traffics human misery (granted that's legal), making millions off of it (legal as well) and telling society where to draw the lines du jour.

A fairly simple conclusion: if society isnt' about raising your family, what is it about? why are we doing all this? it's certainly not buying us freedom, health, wealth, or really much of anything but misery. After a decade or two of drug use according to various new psychological diseases they make up, even this starts to wear thin. We're just left with a vague non-descript promise- that one day we'll find love, that man will just materialize out of thin air, or we'll be economically free, when our startup gets funded or we win the lotto. Then we start to lose faith in that too, and it just becomes a task of minimizing pain and maximizing pleasure, and maybe extending the experience for as long as possible. Then, the whole meaning of all this seems to just start to implode

mell says

power over the masses some random dude like Dr Phil wields. People listen to him, nodding and clapping like brainless zombies while he traffics human misery (granted that's legal), making millions off of it (legal as well) and telling society where to draw the lines du jour.

he's also a divorcee. http://perezhilton.com/2012-11-08-dr-phil-and-wife-robin-are-having-marital-issues-fighting-despite-new-30-million-mansion#sthash.eo84k4gd.dpbs

what a surprise this master of relationships should have a problem with his wife AFTER he purchases a house- which just so happens to make it far easier to take half of his wealth in a divorce.

you're better off listening to Tom Leykis.

they used to call it TV 'Programming' for a reason- back then it was much more obvious as to what TV's purpose was. Before the age of TV we had organized religion, which served precisely the same purpose.