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marcus says

Heraclitusstudent says

Just be objective

MY point was that the objective reality that I often see with female students does not fit with my feelings or expectations

Do you mean they score lower contrary to your expectations? Or higher?
If they score higher, then they do, why do you feel guilty?

this is basically what Sex in the City is, it's a drama that attempts to create acceptable and believable responses to the various (largely negative) experiences that women have in this new feminist professional world.

for instance, one character(who doesnt look anything like the average mid-40s something) after a stint of lesbianism suddenly is propositioned by a handsome millionaire - at the age of 45-or-so.

The goal here is to convince women to keep riding that train, they'll be a happy ending. After years of loveless 'dating' and failed marriages, experiments in bisexuality, then some rich handsome guy begs you for access to your oh-so-hot body. There is a happy ending ladies, just hang on!

What millionaire would date a 45 year old? none that I've ever met. The goals of making a million dollars is so you can date a 20 something virgin who hopefully has never watched Sex In the City.

marcus says

No, I'm in my fifties.

it's typically people your age that have positive ideas about Feminism. The later generations are more tuned to my channel- except minority groups who look to feminists for political support- but have complete cynicism towards the values themselves. Many feminists will for instance date a black guy for a week or so, document the whole thing, post it to their facebook wall, just so they can score those political points.

Men my age either are Players- men who exploit the situation to impress their friends with how many chicks they can screw, Drop Outs- men who don't care and try to minimize their 'love life' as much as possible, and other groups (perverts are gaining ground considerably). Generally though these strategies are starting to be abandoned in favor of just a full on attack on liberal values.

its also why weve had virtually no technological, scientific, or even economic progress since the 60s.

END FEMINISM. BRING BACK PRODUCTIVITY.

Heraclitusstudent says

Do you mean they score lower contrary to your expectations? Or higher?

If they score higher, then they do, why do you feel guilty?

No it's not feeling guilty. Unless it's guilty about my prejudice. It's just sort of a realization. Wow, that girl is so smart. Way up there. And knowing them a little, just as people, interacting with them, and seeing the way they present themselves, and their personalities etc, I know if I met them at their age, it never would have occurred to me that they might have had IQs well above mine.

I would probably think their grades and performance was mostly because of their study habits, work ethic etc. But the truth is I'm talking about performing at a level that doesn't occur just from good study habits.

This is just me trying to share something that's not that easy to convey. Besides what I'm commenting on has to do with my insecurities in my younger days, and the prejudices that I can now see in myself. Even regarding my own sister for example.

MershedPerturders says

its also why weve had virtually no technological, scientific, or even economic progress since the 60s.

wtf ?

marcus says

Wow, that girl is so smart. Way up there. And knowing them a little, just as people, interacting with them, and seeing the way they present themselves, and their personalities etc, I know if I met them at their age, it never would have occurred to me that they might have had IQs well above mine.

it sounds to me like it's just sublimated sexual desire. Just going by your choice of words here.

basically what happened was after WWII, the west locked into a set of social values that haven't been altered or relocated, but they have expanded and overtaken many regions where more traditional ideas thrived. Of course practically any discussion on the real core values ends with the Godwinian 'Hitler' response or Taliban as the person above uses. What we can't accept is that these values, that we believe are the antidote to tyranny are really the ruling factors in modern tyranny. Obama is a tyrant in case you haven't noticed.

MershedPerturders says

it sounds to me like it's just sublimated sexual desire

That may be going on in some dark little corner of my mind, because I'm talking about some very special young women. But no, I was trying to share something very specific, which I don't think I can clearly communicate any better than my attempt here.

MershedPerturders says

Dan8267 says

MershedPerturders does come off as misogynistic

it's only misogyny if you define misogyny and any kind of criticism of Feminism.

Oh, I have no problem with criticism of any ideology. It's the wanting to take the vote away from women that seemed a bit extreme to me.

Wow, this thread has gone way off the tracks of the original post.

thing is, as with any cult, they carefully measure their demographics and psychology of their adherents(who translate directly to political support).

The goal is to create adherents who cannot leave the system.

how do they do it?

1) abortion: this particular one is supremely nasty and vile. They promote abortions to women, knowing that when they get abortions, they rarely defect from the system because the system offers them moral neutrality and non-judgmental treatment(where outside the cult they are thought to be baby killers). There is an extensive effort in colleges to promote abortion as something 1) hip and cool 2) morally neutral 3) anonymous 4) inexpensive/free. The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

2) career: they know that once a girl has signed onto a career and gone into debt, given up her best years at school and internships, she is not likely to look back to the world of 'traditional' values for support. It's virtually impossible for her to do so, she can only march forward with Sex in the City as her guide into the promising world of careers and some kind of relation to sex(less and less likely to be the opposite sex). The truth is that for women career usually implies emotional instablity and likely completely insanity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062634/One-American-women-medication-mental-disorder.html

All these things required and extremely compliant and patient male population. Actually this was the posture for most boomers, some kind of vague recognition that the women around them were all crazy, but somehow it had some kind of cosmic significance so they accepted it and usually told their sons that it was somehow tolerable. Later when the divorce rate skyrocketed and the level of discontent along with it, this attitude change, but most negativity was censured out in the news by Dr. Phil and likes. Reality is that home life of america is a war zone and has been completely demolished. This is why we increasingly turn to entertainment for fulfillment. There is nothing wholesome or fulfilling about our modern 'love' lives or broken 'family' lives.

and this brings us to HOUSING.

why have Americans become so obsessed with Houses?

when you take away the core basis for family, people look for outside material icons for things they lost but cannot accept are gone. Houses were one of these things. Women could feel that they lost something, but after their 18+ years of programming and TV reinforcement couldn't reason what it was. It had something to do with happiness, and HOME. Ever notice that realtors never use the term 'house' but rather 'home'? That's the psychological trick, they are really selling you a worthless wooden box, but are telling you that it's a home. Just set up a few props here and there, bring a dog around, a few vases to make it seem like someone is living there, and SOLD- that woman will sign anything just for a taste of that sense of happiness that it just a fading glimmer on the horizon.

How Women Ruled the 2012 Election

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/politics/women-election

MershedPerturders says

The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

Feminism has always been an elitist program. The 'success' is only available to very rich women. How many women do you know who can get a medical...

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

marcus says

MershedPerturders says

The goal isn't really 'choice' its about getting women to have abortions by any means possible.

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

When the shit about "family" starts, you know you're either talking with someone desperately in need of Thorazine and lithium, or, worse, someone from Colorado Springs.

When I hear the word "family", I reach for my gun.

marcus says

When you inject this kind of thing into your diatribe, you lose all credibility. Then I have to think you're maybe a left winger posing as a retarded right wing troll. Because nobody could be that insane.

why is that? do you still believe this nonsense that the Abortion movement says about itself? Look into any objective source on US Abortion movement eg. Margeret Sanger and you will see the truth. I think the elites saw it partially as a population control device and partially for the reason I mention above.

ever wonder what happened to Roe from Roe vs. Wade?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/sc_TgP3QLE4

the entire case was a fraud.

Here's a good point: do you ever see women on this board concerned about the financial welfare of the US? even pointing out the problems? nope, theyre all here to find good deals on houses. Actually feminist realized there was this growing alarmism and actually created a feminist 'plant' inside this field! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf they put her there to take attention away from Feminism role in the collapse. Yes they are that sophisticated and extensive. The wealthy elites found out a long time ago that Feminism was an extremely effective way to neutralize their opponents. What better way to keep them down than their own wives?

HydroCabron says

When I hear the word "family", I reach for my gun.

liberal quote of the year.

enjoy your car, your house in the suburbs, your tv shows and your prescription drugs.

California is really beyond reform. They're just too far gone.

HydroCabron says

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

you assume I toe the Republican line. poor assumption.

MershedPerturders says

do you ever see women on this board concerned about the financial welfare of the US? even pointing out the problems?

I have it on very good authority that captainstfu, Honest Abe, Shrek and the proud liberal Dan are all in fact actually women.

jk.

But truthfully, I'm sure there are one or two people on here that you always assumed are men, that are actually women.

Then there's EllieMae. She has commented on all kinds of stuff at one time or another.

MershedPerturders says

HydroCabron says

So glad to hear you say this. How about a tax hike on these snooty elites, then?

you assume I toe the Republican line. poor assumption.

It's funny how one cannot argue a specific "edgy" point of view anymore without being grouped into one of the two mainstream political agendas/classes. Shows how useless left-wing vs right-wing or democrat vs republican has become, it's all being whitewashed and "assimilated" in the great wash tub of political correctness. The Borg would be proud - resistance is indeed futile ;)

Even Godwin's law is not what it used to be. No need anymore for the "Nazi!" accusation, just yell "Republican!" or "Democrat!" or "Liberal!" or "Tea-Party!" to end any meaningful discussion ;) Wait, I forgot "Nitwit!"

mell says

It's funny how one cannot argue a specific "edgy" point of view anymore without being grouped into one of the two mainstream political agendas/classes. Shows how useless left-wing vs right-wing or democrat vs republican has become, it's all being whitewashed and "assimilated" in the great wash tub of political correctness. The Borg would be proud - resistance is indeed futile ;)

do you think any sort of view or opinion that is effectively anti-elite is going to be even remotely popular? even vaguely intelligible through this veil of nonsense and bullshit were subjected to 24/7? More than likely any words that could potentially be used to describe an idea have been either removed, banned outright as heretical or insane, or the meaning has been altered so as to be unrecognizable.

we live in a massive work camp. It's more like a prison system.

mell says

Even Godwin's law is not what it used to be. No need anymore for the "Nazi!" accusation, just yell "Republican!" or "Democrat!" or "Liberal!" or "Tea-Party!" to end any meaningful discussion ;) Wait, I forgot "Nitwit!"

and of course all these categories are created and maintained by media owned by the same people. The create political categories according to the 'divide and conquer' principle.

It's like this, the reason they made the countries of the mid-east according to the map we currently know was because they knew that drawing the lines this way would result in a perpetual tension that would never be resolved, allowing them to simply approach the various warlords of the region to pump the oil out of the ground.

It's the same thing with these political lines. They calculate carefully these political categories knowing they will never be effective.

MershedPerturders says

and of course all these categories are created and maintained by media owned by the same people. The create political categories according to the 'divide and conquer' principle.

Agreed. Since you mentioned that asshat earlier, I am shocked and amazed about how much power over the masses some random dude like Dr Phil wields. People listen to him, nodding and clapping like brainless zombies while he traffics human misery (granted that's legal), making millions off of it (legal as well) and telling society where to draw the lines du jour.

A fairly simple conclusion: if society isnt' about raising your family, what is it about? why are we doing all this? it's certainly not buying us freedom, health, wealth, or really much of anything but misery. After a decade or two of drug use according to various new psychological diseases they make up, even this starts to wear thin. We're just left with a vague non-descript promise- that one day we'll find love, that man will just materialize out of thin air, or we'll be economically free, when our startup gets funded or we win the lotto. Then we start to lose faith in that too, and it just becomes a task of minimizing pain and maximizing pleasure, and maybe extending the experience for as long as possible. Then, the whole meaning of all this seems to just start to implode

mell says

power over the masses some random dude like Dr Phil wields. People listen to him, nodding and clapping like brainless zombies while he traffics human misery (granted that's legal), making millions off of it (legal as well) and telling society where to draw the lines du jour.

he's also a divorcee. http://perezhilton.com/2012-11-08-dr-phil-and-wife-robin-are-having-marital-issues-fighting-despite-new-30-million-mansion#sthash.eo84k4gd.dpbs

what a surprise this master of relationships should have a problem with his wife AFTER he purchases a house- which just so happens to make it far easier to take half of his wealth in a divorce.

you're better off listening to Tom Leykis.

they used to call it TV 'Programming' for a reason- back then it was much more obvious as to what TV's purpose was. Before the age of TV we had organized religion, which served precisely the same purpose.

MershedPerturders says

its also why weve had virtually no technological, scientific, or even economic progress since the 60s.

LOL - this might be my favorite example from the entire turdpile oeuvre.

curious2 says

LOL - this might be my favorite example from the entire turdpile oeuvre.

your use of French comes off like a fresh fart after a sumptuous meal of Dr. Pepper and 7 layer burritos. Sorry American women try very hard not to look like trash, and the harder they try, the worse they look.

LOL - excuse me while I set aside my Dr Pepper and call the girlfriends on my 1960s mobile phone, still state of the art according to turdpile:

I can't find the videoconferencing feature, must mean I'm too stupid. And I can barely lift the darned thing, being so weak and all.

why dont you try a trip to the Vintage Clothing store. Go for the librarian look you might fool a few clueless guys into thinking you still hold your sanity- and gasp your purity and virtue(or have those words been banned as well?).

you still never answered the question about having an abortion. You just diverted it with a fairly depressing attempt at sarcastic humor. Why not log off and go to the Slut Walk?

"Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded." -Fyodor Dostoevsky

MershedPerturders says

all the women in my engineering course...knew precisely nothing about the subject matter and scored all As.

How do you reconcile your opinion with their grades? Might you have underestimated their knowledge? BTW, how did you go from studying engineering to working in cosmetics and fashion? And how on earth do you download your videos from the Internet with a modem that hasn't progressed since the 1960s - maybe you haven't actually seen those videos?

MershedPerturders says

I refuse to be married under these terms. I've seen far too many causalities.

...and no offers.

In the 60's they had sharks with frikin laser beams attached to their heads.

sbh says

MershedPerturders says

the whole meaning of all this seems to just start to implode

Fella, you're the thing imploding. Once you type that first word it's a beat-the-clock meltdown with you. Go kick your dog, drink some more and pass out.

hey brah! sorry if it's givin you bad vibes man! California dude!

if you dont like it, don't read it. Your loss.

Heraclitusstudent says

The way feminism is framed in the media is always as a question of equality. The implicit assumption is that men and women are equal and should therefore play *exactly* the same role in society. If they are not, the assumption is that it is a cultural issue that needs to be fixed. Though sometime, someone will allude to biological differences, the assumption is that culture and education are more powerful and should therefore override any differences in instincts. According to this vision, men should spend as much time taking care of kids as women, and women should be as aggressive as men in the workplace. If they are not, they need to be chastised until they are.

once you've accepted the TRUE purpose of Feminism, the problem ceases to be very complex.

the purpose of Feminism is to implement a kind of 'soft slavery'. Ex. during colonial times slave owners had many techniques to keep their slaves in line. One of them was to promote the women slaves over the man slaves. They would put on demonstrations of male slaves being beat in front of women slaves, demonstrating their lack of power. Women naturally lose respect for the men slaves, and start to gain respect for the slave owners as the 'male figures'. In addition, women raise their children according to the values of the slave master, creating an entire RACE of slaves.

The west and the middle east balance each other. here the men are treated as slaves and there the women.

women have not gained in this scenario, they simply become the prostitutes of the slave masters. Of course they have a complex language to mask the facts of their actual situation- they tell them they are 'liberated', 'free', pro-'Choice'. How is that freedom working out ladies?

Boomers like to trivialize the situation. They respond with sarcasm and cynicism as to how crazy and literally insane women have become. It's no laughing matter- these forces called 'Feminism' are actually destroying our lives. They ruin families, even compel women to kill unborn children. When youve finally had enough and your sarcasm no longer soothes the soul, the reality of it remains.

lostand confused says

The west and the middle east balance each other. here the men are treated as slaves and there the women.

most women in the middle east would not trade their position with an American woman. They consider them, rightly, to be prostitutes.

of course prostitute slaves must be kept well groomed and well fed when they're in their prime years, when this period is over then support generally ends. Then this women goes through a stage of bewilderment- "I thought I was important?!", until she finally realizes that no one really cares about her situation. If she was so lucky to have reproduced with someone who has money, this is her ticket to support. If not, she must increasingly rely on the welfare system for her income, more than likely she has little real skills and a completely dim concept of what is happening in the world around her. She attempts to convert her childish interest in clothes, shoes, arts and crafts into some kind of profitable venture but quickly finds that those can't provide much either. She decides to hone her tactics a bit, gets more 'resourceful' and ruthless in her dealing with men. A few fall for it, but most men can smell her desperation and see her aging features a mile away. The chance of finding a man to respect her is minimal if not totally non-existent. She knows what she spent her youth doing, as do all her family, and most men can read between the lines.

entitled: Vexed In The City, a tale of middle aged feminine woe