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Most of politics is propaganda.
so what's your point? the reds do it more than the blues??
they are both guilty as charged, at equal levels.

Delurking says

>So in what universe does the "creator of the world" equate to a "job creator"?

"Creator" is a loaded term. It's propaganda.

CaptainShuddup says

rdm says

And you Capt. Schmutz what's your story? What life experience gives you your perspective, which seems rather bitter, no?

Well I've been Managing a successful Nunya franchise for about 45 years now.

Ancient Chinese wisdom: Man with hole in Pocket feel cocky all day

Government money = Taxpayers dollars = sweat from hard working people.

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

Taxpayers dollars did not create the internet, Hard working people created income by offering services, that allowed them to pay taxes to the government....

Wrong. Noncommercial Government research accelerated the development of the internet. Government money created it and it would not have existed when Omidyar was doing his work.

xrpb11a says

so what's your point? the reds do it more than the blues??

No, that you are entirely full of shit about Obama slagging on small business with this. Even this from you:

"Taken in context with the whole paragraph, it is understood that a business is a cooperative effort between the owner and everyone else involved."

is restating the INCORRECT, LYING framing that Obama was saying business owners didn't build their businesses.

The "that" in Obama's "you didn't build that" was referring to local and national private public goods that have facilitated this nation having created so much over the past 200 years.

Here's the context again:

"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business–you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

vs your:

"But the way he phrased it is a direct insult to everyone who's ever taken the risks involved in starting up a successful business."

The only people taking insult at that is people wanting to take insult, and people who are getting their information from the propagandistic right who have dishonestly twisted Obama's very obvious speech here.

"Just look at the media storm he created by not parsing his words"

"I would say the sentence in question was mildly annoying"

"But the way he phrased it is a direct insult to everyone who's ever taken the risks involved in starting up a successful business."

You are either misinformed by your crap propagandistic sources or willfully repeating their lies here. Which is it?

xrpb11a says

If you think I did, show it.

"I am saying he doesn't understand what it takes to start a business and have employees, etc, or he wouldn't make statements that glibly toss off the hard work and personal sacrifice that business owners go through"

Obama made no such statement. In his quote that you objected to, he was clearly talking about the general environment, not any invesment in the business itself:

Here's Obama again:

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business–you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

That was not about employees or the development of a proprietor's business itself. He was explicitly talking about the 1) educational system, 2) infrastructure, and 3) the internet.

Yet you went off on this statement, after you believed the lies from the usual "lying liars" in rightwing media.

It's really quite pathetic that you're still denying this.

DeeLurking - he DIDN'T say "if you got a bridge or a road, you didn't build that". He DID say "if you got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen".

Obama is clearly anti-success, anti-business, and anti-free enterprise.

Funny how miss used words are only important to Liberals, when they are trolling Republicans. Otherwise, they would defend Obama's speech if all he said was...

"Der der der da der dunt der der."

Of course they would also break it down for you and tell you what Obama meant.

Presidents have to chose their words carefully, everyone else has the liberty to not be so selective. Do you know who calls "Roads" "That"?

A "C" grade student, you guys would be taring Bush apart if he made that kerfuffle.

clearly, LOL.

I find it impossible than anyone can honestly be a conservative these days.

It's all performance art, right?

dude...dude....dude....u r confusing me with another poster.
I never posted any of that.

tell me, when your eyes cross in the middle of the night, do you see 1 or 2 noses...?

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

If you think I did, show it.

"I am saying he doesn't understand what it takes to start a business and have employees, etc, or he wouldn't make statements that glibly toss off the hard work and personal sacrifice that business owners go through"

Obama made no such statement. In his quote that you objected to, he was clearly talking about the general environment, not any invesment in the business itself:

Here's Obama again:

You stood behind this statement:

http://patrick.net/?p=1214412&c=847037#comment-847037

Helloeeze says:

am not claiming Obama is against business. I am saying he doesn't understand what it takes to start a business and have employees, etc, or he wouldn't make statements that glibly toss off the hard work and personal sacrifice that business owners go through.

Delurker says:

that's just right-wing bullshit and not what Obama in his speech said at all.

and then:

xrpb11a says

It's precisely what he said. you know it. I know it.

full comment from you per the above link:

It's precisely what he said. you know it. I know it.
Delurking says

that's just right-wing bullshit and not what Obama in his speech said at all.

what's pathetic is you attributing quotes to me, that others typed in the not so distant past.
I wonder if this is intentional, or you are just some old fuck drooling all over your underwear...boy oh boy do I wonder....

Delurking says

It's really quite pathetic that you're still denying this.

If he meant what you say he meant, it would have come out like this:
'If you've got a business- you didn't build those roads and bridges'

It all boils down to what he meant by "that".

Let's let SlickWilly be the decider on this....he's good at redefining prepositions and demonstratives....

Delurking says

Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business–you didn’t build that.

If he was referring to "roads and bridges", he would have said it. Plain and simple.
Instead in the same sentence, he uses the object "business", and immediately refers to it with the demonstrative "that".

While one could make a feeble argument that taken in context with the whole paragraph, he was actually referring to "roads and bridges", Occam's Razor applies the stamp of approval to my interpretation, that he was referring to "business".

Case Closed.

Delurking says

Here's the context again:

"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business–you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

vs your:

"But the way he phrased it is a direct insult to everyone who's ever taken the risks involved in starting up a successful business."

xrpb11a says

OB was wrong. Government did not create the internet. Taxpayers dollars funded the government, allowing them to invest in research....

oh wait.
Taxpayers dollars did not create the internet, Hard working people created income by offering services, that allowed them to pay taxes to the government....

When did DARPA stop being part of the government? Or are we talking about a different set of intertubes here?

Oh perhaps you mean the World Wide Web (WWW). That was created by the uber capitalist at CERN was it not?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-23/poll-romney-obama-economy/56439758/1

Obasma's anti-success, anti-business policies are being seen as what they are - FAIL.

Hopefully Romney will be able to repair the damage perpetrated on the United States for the last 3 1/2 years by radical liberal policies and practices.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

It's like you live in some other world, away from the rest of us. Your determination is epic though, but really sad.

Wrong.
Al Gore created the internet, tucked away in his 20,000 sqft mansion, while writing up green energy policies..

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

Taxpayers dollars did not create the internet, Hard working people created income by offering services, that allowed them to pay taxes to the government....

Wrong. Noncommercial Government research accelerated the development of the internet. Government money created it and it would not have existed when Omidyar was doing his work.

you sound like my wife....

Delurking says

xrpb11a says

It's precisely what he said. you know it. I know it.

The Bullshit is strong with you.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/va-state-senator-blames-racism-for-romney-gains/2012/07/24/gJQAArsQ7W_blog.html

Reverse racism in the senate.

in this thread we learn that small business owners are an incredibly whiny bunch of people.

The big question is why was Solyndra allowed to fail?

I would have expected endless blank check bailouts for them.

Loan upon loan forever. Did someone piss off the white house?

omgbacon says

in this thread we learn that small business owners are an incredibly whiny bunch of people.

and stupid
and fat
and lazy
and opinionated
can't be in indoctrinated no good sons of bitches that vote Republican
every God Damn time!

gasp while entitle recipients on the other hand...

ok.....what do you want me to do about it??

HRHMedia says

I doubt myself every single minute of every single day.....

Ok.

HRHMedia says

xrpb11a says

I think

That's an ox up my ass. don't disturb it!.

Social Media Guru Since 1999

in 7 languages...

HRHMedia says

I am me and no other user, can you say the same?

I'm from Mass. Romney was our governor for four years and prior to that ran in the closest election against Ted kennedy in '94. Infact in my town there's a romney bumper sticker someone put up on a stop sign that is STILL there (torn and faded a bit).

I'm not exactly a fan of Romney. I don't like his stance on patents. But I think he'll probably win at this point. It won't be a landslide that's for sure but someone can win with just 51%..or 43% in the case of Clinton

Why?

Obama's ads aren't working. If this was March or maybe May I could see it differently but it is nearly August.Think about it this way. Romney has a ad about the economy. Obama slams Romney for not releasing tax forms...huh?

Obama has ads about Bane capital showing north eastern warehouses empty and empty factories. I'm sorry but how is this new again? There are PLENTY of old empty mills and factories all across the north east! Some are being made into condos. The closing of plants has been around here for 80 or so years! Every time I see an Obama ad I think i'm seeing a scene from Rodger & Me by Michael Moore! If this was new I could see it but frankly it isn't.

Another ad illustrates that Romney has a swiss bank account. Ok..but what it doesn't say is it only takes $5,200 to open one up! I've seen tuition bills for a semester larger than that! A simple google search revealed that which leads me to think that Obama isn't really targeting anyone specific as a voting block.

Obama says he needs more time to get thing done. OK fair enough but he also needs gridlock to end. Tea Party republicans aren't going to work with Obama for the most part. So how is he going to convince people to vote for him again and get congress "back" ? If Obama dabbles into local issues he'll get burnt against just like he was when he called police "stupid" and called the firing of teachers a "good thing".

There is also too much Obama does not answer. What specifically is the mission in Afghanistan with OBL dead? When Bush started that in '01 all he said was Obl dead or alive. simple enough. How can we go from a president who said "Mission Accomplished" when it wasn't over to one that doesn't know when to call when it is over?

What exactly has Obama done for his base? Since Obamacare was held up it starts fully in 2014. And if it is congress that wants to repeal it why reelect obama then? Isn't that mission accomplished? If congress overturns it then it doesn't matter who is in the white house.

Four years ago people thought obama would close camp x ray, legalize drugs, end the war on terrorism, pass single payer, pass employee free choice act etc As the time went on the economy became the greater factor but again there isn't that much specific.

mdovell, keep in mind that Romney was a Democratic governor back then :)

As for the Swiss Bank account, talk to your accountant about Swiss Bank Accounts. He didn't open the account with the minimum balance to get the free Ipod. Swiss Bank accounts have one purpose and one purpose only, avoidance of tax liability.

‘I’ll Be Better Than Ted For Gay Rights!’ -Mitt Romney 1994 Bay Windows Interview

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Friday, July 27, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting 49% of the vote, while President Obama earns support from 44%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

That's a 5 point lead for Romney!

zzyzzx says

(3%) prefer some other candidate

That's code for I'll vote for the Jackass anyway, Obama's gots to GO!

Ruki says

Here we go again. Nevermind that history has repeatedly shown that tax receipts from the top 10% have RISEN then their taxes on investment income have been dropped but FALL when the opposite happens.

Pure fantasy. This only happens in a very short window of about 3-6 months before and after a tax rate change when everyone hoards up their capital gains before a tax decrease or cashes out of capital gains before a tax increase. Longer term aka "history" it's not true at all. fail on this point.

Perhaps the Clinton boom has something to do with the Reagan tax cuts?

Peter P says

Perhaps the Clinton boom has something to do with the Reagan tax cuts?

No. AFAICT the Clinton boom was thanks to the feel good times of the Soviet empire collapsing, cheap oil, PC take-up in business (and GUIs making them more productive than MS-DOS), the increasing globalization trend, rise of big-box retail stores, and the demographics of the baby boom (the median boomer was 35 in 1990), and the system having worked off the excess debt loads of the 1980s.

I'd link to graphs but FRED is down now.

Delurking says

PC take-up in business (and GUIs making them more productive than MS-DOS)

This and the advent of networking and email was more significant than many realize, in terms of productivity. Not to mention expectations about internet commerce and all the investment that was scaling up for that.

We didn't expect to have flying cars in the 21st century, but there definitely was irrational exuberance out there.

Coulter: "If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose."

HEY YOU says

Coulter: "If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose."

She knows better. That's what the Fox News, stir-up-shit-and-scream crowd wants to hear. It is NOT what the party establishment types want to hear and they're running things this time around.

I'm fairly confident the VP nominee will be Portman.

As far as Obama winning a second term is concerned, there's nothing I've seen so far that shows me it is possible. David Dewhurst is as establishment Republican as it gets and when he gets knocked off his pedestal you know something wild is gonna happen.

rootvg says

As far as Obama winning a second term is concerned, there's nothing I've seen so far that shows me it is possible

http://electoral-vote.com

Romney has to cobble together 63 EVs from that map.

FL, WI, OH give him 57, so he'd need CO or VA on top of those.

And purity trolls allegedly on the left publicy whine on why Obama is so pro-military, LOL.

Romney is a spoiled idiot who is owned by the corporations and doesn't care a tiny bit about the average citizen. Period. Not that I care for Obama as a second choice, but I'd rather have Obama than that twit of a man. I'm voting for Ron Paul, since Obama will win California by a landslide, so I can do that without feeling like I'm throwing my vote away.

rootvg says

David Dewhurst is as establishment Republican as it gets and when he gets knocked off his pedestal you know something wild is gonna happen.

Just another indication of the rightward movement of the republican base. This doesn't translate into a move rightward by the country as a whole, just an affirmation of a trend in the republican primaries. Latest polls show a tilt toward Obama in Ohio and Florida while Penn. is pretty much no longer in contention (if it ever was). In a quirk of fate some of the swing states have seen significant improvements in their economies verses the nation as a whole. Romney, ideas aside, is just a terrible politician and an un-likable plutocrat. It really is a amazing he got the nomination, that is until you look at his competition in the primaries.