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thomaswong.1986 says

vast majority went to Santa Clara University, San Jose State, Hayward, Sact, SLO, and a few from UCB and Stanford. The vast Majority found jobs in Silicon valley during the tech boom years.. 1960-1999... what you call the best like Wharton, never made to Silicon Valley. That is more recent events around here.

What are you talking about Thomas? Leonard Bosack who founded Cisco is a Wharton alumnus. So is Elon Musk. Tons of Wharton alumni have shaped and reshaped Silly-Con Valley yesterday, and today.

evilmonkeyboy says

884 which is not to shabby.

Yeah, I'd say that's solid.

Goran_K says

What are you talking about Thomas? Leonard Bosack who founded Cisco is a Wharton alumnus. So is Elon Musk. Tons of Wharton alumni have shaped and reshaped Silly-Con Valley yesterday, and today.

flip a coin.. chances are slim.. your chances are less than 1%. the vast majority who were employed in SV that came from local schools went to SJSU, Fresno State and not so high profile universities. Many in the past had no interest in California SVs at best mybe Route 128 - Boston.

Hey thomas, maybe we'll meet up. I plan to be at Los Gatos Roasting Co. around 10:30 AM on Sat 7/6. I will be easy to spot: the one haolie who doesn't fit in with the hipsters.

thomaswong.1986 says

flip a coin.. chances are slim.. your chances are less than 1%. the vast majority who were employed in SV that came from local schools went to SJSU, Fresno State and not so high profile universities. Many in the past had no interest in California SVs at best mybe Route 128 - Boston.

I'm sure the majority of basic engineers, IT admins, or other working cogs came from local universities.

But a lot of the movers and leaders in Silly-con valley are Wharton alum, I could literally name a dozen.

ZipRealty put out a list in May of school districts with the best combination of schools and home prices. They use their proprietary School Score rating, which seems to be based on the API, although they don't say how it's calculated. Here was the top-10 for the BA:

- San Ramon Valley Unified: School Score 9.1/Median Price per SF $304

- Sunol Glen Unified: School Score 9.3/Median Price per SF $356

- Piedmont Unified: School Score 9.5/Median Price per SF $539

- Palo Alto Unified: School Score 9.2/Median Price per SF $885

- Castro Valley Unified: School Score 8/Median Price per SF $265

- Dublin Unified: School Score 8.4/Median Price per SF $265

- Pleasanton Unified: School Score 8.6/Median Price per SF $332

- Albany Unified: School Score 8.6/Median Price per SF $419

- Benicia Unified: School Score 7.8/Median Price per SF $181

- Martinez Unified: School Score 7.8/Median Price per SF $185

Sunol Glen, for what it's worth, is a single K-8 school with 250 kids.

Benicia was one of the cities I brought up on the very first page of this posting:

Goran_K says

The question we're really considering here is if a student who goes to 830 API Benicia High School, where homes are selling for $130-$160 a sqft, is really worse off than another student who went to 893 API Cupertino High where homes are selling $600 - $700 a sqft?

I still maintain the viewpoint that all parents really need to do the research on the school programs offered, their quality, and how it will mesh with what they know of their child's abilities, and interest. If people can compare LCD TVs online for an hour or two, you can use that time to do research on the school you're going to put your child into.

If people are really THAT nutty about the schools, then they should quit bitching and go private/parochial. People get so ridiculously worked up over school districts, it is just hilarious. Yeah yeah "I am not a parent so I don't understand." Apparently there isn't room for kids AND common sense in anyone's life anymore.

Goran_K says

I'm sure the majority of basic engineers, IT admins, or other working cogs came from local universities.

But a lot of the movers and leaders in Silly-con valley are Wharton alum, I could literally name a dozen.

In a sea of Thousands of companies of the past several decades .. you come up with a dozen. Knock yourself out. There isnt enough from UCB or Stanford to East Coast top schools to have created all these companies. Its media fiction ever since year 2000. We certainly did hear such crap before.. until the media start with the hype.

Its a shame you werent here some 30 years ago to witness all this. But no one was interested in this.. I doubt any parent could understand why child wanted a crazy Degree in Computer Programming. Thats what they called it back than.

We had some great people who are not IVY league, UCB or Stanford..
who are worth their weight in gold... really great hard workers who shaped
this region to be the top leader in their field. Never disrespect them.

bmwman91 says

If people are really THAT nutty about the schools,

LOL! the people who are concerned start their planing for private schools decades
in advance.. and it works well for them. All this stuff today is just Nutty as hell.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hey thomas, maybe we'll meet up. I plan to be at Los Gatos Roasting Co. around 10:30 AM on Sat 7/6. I will be easy to spot: the one haolie who doesn't fit in with the hipsters.

no, we dont get much hipsters in LG much.. but you will see the Harley crowd coming through down town ....

we may meet one day.

mdiablo says

Palo Alto Unified: School Score 9.2/Median Price per SF $885

How does Palo Alto even end up on that list? That range suggests a weird criteria. Where is Marin Co?

thomaswong.1986 says

15 years ago.. NO ONE EVERY heard of Silicon Valley, Palo Alto or Cupertino.

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Wong.

Maybe you meant 150 years ago?

FunTime says

mdiablo says

Palo Alto Unified: School Score 9.2/Median Price per SF $885

How does Palo Alto even end up on that list? That range suggests a weird criteria. Where is Marin Co?

Yeah, I thought that one was strange too. The Piedmont price per sf seems low as well.

Here's the link:

http://ir.ziprealty.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=180169&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1821084

swebb says

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Wong.

Maybe you meant 150 years ago?

only after the late big 90s IPO Tech stock bubble began to form,

did people start to notice..

the modern day version of the California Gold Rush.

Had it not happened, and we had normal valuations, half the people
wouldnt be here today.. its that simple.

SFace says

How is your experience 30 years ago even relevent to the young kids of today?

as Andrew Dice Clay said..

Whats the Fucking Difference !

Its the same $200K home someone paid a few years back,

and now someone wants $1 Million like it was Taj Mahal.

Unbelievable.. the kind of shit people come up with.

SFace says

Have you ever heard of a lawyer at the partner level, Director or anyone that makes great money that think 880 API is anything? 880 is a deal breaker.

No one is looking for another Lawyer around these parts. Already have enough
880 API or higher makes no difference.

Why do people kill themselves to get into a place with a good school district? Because they don't want to spend $25-$30K per year for 12-13 years per child to send their kids to good schools. It's that simple. And that's today's money.

Think about it...why spend/piss away $350-$400K per child to send your kids to private ($800K for me) when you can spend an extra $100-$200K to get your kid into a district with good schools, and get your money back when you sell your home?

Also, in my opinion, there is a lot of misguided info in this thread. I understand APIs well...I was a school board member.

Just because one school's API is 940 and another is 880 does not mean the 940 is the better school. Maybe if the disparity was 900 vs 700. A lot depends on the makeup of the school. To me, a 10-10 school scoring 880 is better than an 8-9 school scoring 940.

My own kids go to a school that is 940-950. The hottest school in the district is a 905 school that is 10-10, another with dual immersion that is also 905. That's where the good teaching is happening. Wouldn't hesitate to send my kids to either.

I went to an exclusive boys prep school back east. Also went to a top state university. My friend and I joke about our school (now coed). He went to Duke and is a lawyer, and his wife is also a high flying patent attorney. He said he is sending all three of his kids to the local public high school and then the state school, which is only top 100. Not worth it to lay out big bucks when the kids get pretty much the same education and get admitted to many of the same universities.

Unless your kid gets into HYP or Stanford, their life chances aren't going to be much better than those who go to good state schools. If your kid is smart enough to get into one of those elite schools, it won't matter if they go to Harvard Westlake or Culver City. They will likely get in no matter which they attend.

IMHO, go to a good public school system and save your cash.

Waitingtobuy says

Why do people kill themselves to get into a place with a good school district? Because they don't want to spend $25-$30K per year for 12-13 years per child to send their kids to good schools. It's that simple. And that's today's money.

Think about it...why spend/piss away $350-$400K per child to send your kids to private ($800K for me) when you can spend an extra $100-$200K to get your kid into a district with good schools, and get your money back when you sell your home?

Well in the SFBA you can buy a house in East Palo Alto for $400-700k or a similar house a few miles west in Palo Alto for $1.4-1.7M+. And THAT's for a 50 year old Eichler crapbox.

Granted there is a non trivial personal safety factor to be considered as well.

SFace says

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. lol

nobody was using the local education system to justify some high home prices...

you just did not see that as the big thing going around the valley when it came

to buying a home... no wonder everyone was actually saving money for retirement.

mdiablo says

Yeah, I thought that one was strange too. The Piedmont price per sf seems low as well.

Here's the link:

http://ir.ziprealty.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=180169&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1821084

I can see how this data would have a very satisfying effect on data-driven, science education parents. It has that effect on me. I don't think it's enough data, though. To simple. I'm actually doubting the benefit of good schools on a person's life. Climbing social ladders has benefits, but you have to be careful about how much priority you give it or someone ends up jumping off a ladder.

FunTime says

I can see how this data would have a very satisfying effect on data-driven, science education parents. It has that effect on me. I don't think it's enough data, though. To simple. I'm actually doubting the benefit of good schools on a person's life. Climbing social ladders has benefits, but you have to be careful about how much priority you give it or someone ends up jumping off a ladder

What other alternatives are left for these parents, except for education? Even education may not get jobs in a few decades, as we are trying to get rid of once white collar jobs.

raindoctor says

What other alternatives are left for these parents, except for education?

Children get educated in and out of good schools. The good schools aren't the source of education. Good schools might be the way to climb social circles, though, and so maybe a person's life becomes not harmfully difficult through social benefits.

FunTime says

Children get educated in and out of good schools. The good schools aren't the source of education. Good schools might be the way to climb social circles, though, and so maybe a person's life becomes not harmfully difficult through social benefits.

It depends on how you look at it.

1. Modern education's primary purpose is to help people move up the ladder; its unintended consequence is some learning.

2. Modern education's primary purpose is to help people learn; its unintended consequence is is to help people move up the ladder.

Elite schools, academies, etc, sell the view point (2), to conceal the view (1).

What other alternatives are left for these parents, except to try to climb their way up?

It's rare that I meet someone with a college education who seems to have been educated. Really basic concepts seem to have gone right by them. It's sad because I think an education can really lead to thoughts that help you deal with anything you encounter in life as opposed to being super stressed-out about the next thing you'll buy on your way to your first heart attack if you don't fight it off with all your treadmilling.

For the record, I favor the supposed gift from the Greeks of knowledge for knowledge sake. I find it helpful in forming a perspective that keeps day-to-day events at bay.

FunTime says

For the record, I favor the supposed gift from the Greeks of knowledge for knowledge sake. I find it helpful in forming a perspective that keeps day-to-day events at bay.

What unites everyone in the states? American dream, of course! American dream is not about knowledge; it is all about money. Money, more money, ways to make much more money, etc.

To all those people working in Technology, Finance, Medicine, Law, and other well paid fields, American dream = make sure that their kids reach a financial status a notch above what they currently have.

The school one went to, the kind of friends they have, the kind of circles they belong to, etc are all means to achieve that American dream.

thomaswong.1986 says

swebb says

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Wong.

Maybe you meant 150 years ago?

only after the late big 90s IPO Tech stock bubble began to form,

did people start to notice..

the modern day version of the California Gold Rush.

Had it not happened, and we had normal valuations, half the people

wouldnt be here today.. its that simple.

For some reason, Mr. Wong is extremely embittered about the current state of the Valley. I agree it's overly hyped, but that doesn't explain his level of hatred.

JFP says

but that doesn't explain his level of hatred.

LOL! not hatred... some of you need to get over it, the big hey days are over.

I am calling people to sober up...

raindoctor says

To all those people working in Technology, Finance, Medicine, Law, and other well paid fields, American dream = make sure that their kids reach a financial status a notch above what they currently have.

my two cents, our great need today is alternative energy sources,
you will find great success looking after natural gas in middle america.
Not sure we need additional SW programmers, doctors or lawyers.

thomaswong.1986 says

my two cents, our great need today is alternative energy sources,

you will find great success looking after natural gas in middle america.

Not sure we need additional SW programmers, doctors or lawyers.

Even though what you say is true for those who can live for another 200 years, we, mere mortals, care about what is gonna happen in this decade and the next decade. That's how people are. When polity, policy is filled up with such people, who wanna make a quick buck for next decades, how about those who don't have power? What can the latter do? Just follow the elite sheep.

One last time ...

The purpose of elite 'brand' name school is not education but access to recruiting by management consulting or financial services firms.

Thus, if you want to become a doctor or ancillary heath care provider (like PA, nurse, PT, etc), you can take these courses: biology, general chemistry, organic chemistry, general physics, intro to calculus at any school, get your A's and then, apply for medical school or some other program in health care. For this crowd, go through homeschooling, download those lectures from the net, and keep studying.

What one gets from let's say Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, London School of Economics is this... McKinsey, Booz-Allen, MSDW, Goldman Sachs, Lazard, etc, send reps to the campuses and routinely wine and dine students, with the idea of getting the 'best' of the breed to apply and then, these persons start out as junior research analyst, get in about 3-4 years, leave for an MBA (that is if they don't already have an MS/PhD or JD), and then they return to those firms as a senior analyst with hopefully either a partnership track or access to a client with a C-level executive track.

One of my lucky friends got one of the aforementioned firms to pay for his weekend executive MBA at Columbia and thus, he never needed to leave, to get his move up the food chain.

The above MC/IB recruiters, for the most part, do not recruit from public universities with a handful of exceptions like UC/Berkeley, Michigan, or Virginia. Yes, graduates from these schools are typically frowned down upon at Goldman. For them, brand name (being on the inside) matters more than raw intelligence, hard work, or capability and thus, even ppl from Georgia Tech, Univ of Illinois Engineering, Rensselaer Polytechnic, etc aren't really all that welcome.

SJ says

Why do API test scores and schools matter so much to real estate prices? Is it possible to buy a nice home at an affordable price in a safe area in California?

I am going to take the bait here. "Good schools" and "high test scores" are code words for white and/or Asian-American affluent neighborhoods. I think that are not-so subtly trying to mean that they are not being over-run by non-Asian minorities.

adarmiento says

"Good schools" and "high test scores" are code words for

conformity. Which has a lot of value and we all do it some, but I've rarely envied dedicated conformists to the point of wanting to trade lives.

FunTime says

conformity. Which has a lot of value and we all do it some, but I've rarely envied dedicated conformists to the point of wanting to trade lives.

Yeah right............

adarmiento says

Yeah right............

You're referring to the strength of conformity on humans? I did carefully write "rarely" to show I'm not immune to the pull of conformity.

Well, conformity = less risk. If conformity leads to losses (as in recent housing bubble), all those conformants can sob together and blame someone else, like the government, banks, etc.

adarmiento says

SJ says

Why do API test scores and schools matter so much to real estate prices? Is it possible to buy a nice home at an affordable price in a safe area in California?

I am going to take the bait here. "Good schools" and "high test scores" are code words for white and/or Asian-American affluent neighborhoods. I think that are not-so subtly trying to mean that they are not being over-run by non-Asian minorities.

I think it has to do with crime/safety/gangs issues. Race is purely incidental and secondary.

raindoctor says

Well, conformity = less risk.

When investing, that's not the case though, right? Except I get you're saying less risk because even in a loss, you get an out.

You also end up in a conformed financial status, though. Meaning, you never get ahead. I suppose for most people that's the height of their ambition and being like most other people feel's comfortable. I've always found that terribly uncomfortable and often think of ways to get more autonomy. I realize that's my problem, though! ; )

Well right now just sitting on cash as my gut feeling tells me it is not worth it to pay 800k for a crapbox in the area.