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Jack's Final Prediction For The 2012 Election


               
2012 Oct 21, 12:27am   38,411 views  83 comments

by ohomen171   follow (2)  

My dear friends Patrick.net is not a political forum. But this morning I am going to predict the outcome of the presidential election. This election has many aspects of my first presidential election in 1948. President Harry Truman ran against Thomas E. Dewey of New York. Harry pulled an incredible upset and beat Dewey even after a New York Times front page headline saying that Dewey had won. The first possible outcome is that Romney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral vote.

My 'wild card" prediction is that the pollsters have not correctly identified and counted potential Hispanic voters who are going to turn out. If this is the case, Obama will win both the popular vote and electoral vote but certainly not like he did in 2008.

The Democrats will retain control of the US Senate. The Republicans will lose some seats in Congress but still retain control there.

Please do not get mad at me or think that I m crazy. I correctly predicted the Supreme Court vote on Obamacare, even down to Judge Roberts casting the decisive vote in favor.

#politics

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1   gbenson   2012 Oct 21, 2:50am  

He's the new oracle in the next Matrix movie.

If Romney wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college, Fox News will have a melt down. I might actually tune in to see that :)

2   Shaman   2012 Oct 21, 3:45am  

And suddenly the democratic platform on the electoral college will change from "an out-dated, antiquated method that is robbing people of their voice" to "a sturdy and time-tested part of our heritage that is worth keeping."

Watch!

3   Ceffer   2012 Oct 21, 3:59am  

I hear that Acorn is opening voting booths in Mexico City.

4   kentm   2012 Oct 21, 4:45am  

I hear that the romney's have purchased voting machines in swing states.

5   gbenson   2012 Oct 21, 7:24am  

Quigley says

And suddenly the democratic platform on the electoral college will change from "an out-dated, antiquated method that is robbing people of their voice" to "a sturdy and time-tested part of our heritage that is worth keeping."

Nope, still want it done away with, but only if we fix our broken voting system. We put men on the moon 40 years ago but still can't figure out how to vote without having to take time off work stand in long lines, and verify your vote was counted accurately.

6   Bap33   2012 Oct 21, 12:19pm  

Here in mexifornia, the same voting system that voted for Prop 187(but had a lib activist court block the peoples voice), voted against sodomite marriage(but sees a lib activist court sending the same rejected notion back into court at will), voted against death penalty(but everyone I know wants a death penalty, and a faster one), and voted against legal dope(and the liberal activist court refuses to turn loose), is never questioned when it votes for feinstein, boxer, moonbeam, or Lord Barry to win an election. Using the unelected court in place of votes is a stupid idea. The power is supposed to sit with "the people", not "the chosen". When the people vote, it should count.

Now, we need to make sure only legal citizens vote, and we need to make stupid people votes count for less than smart people votes. Votes should be weighted by intellect (IQ test and some basic American history, maybe a little economics) and by amount of taxes paid as a percentage of income. I suggest a voting license, gained by proof of legal status and testing. Nobody will not be allowed to vote, unless they do not pass the drug test taken when they enter the polls.

If we don't catch this monster now, we are all done. If those using obama phones, having 5 kids from 4 different breeding partners, doing drugs, and having never been productive in life -- have a vote that equals yours, then we are going to have a very big problem.

7   gbenson   2012 Oct 21, 2:52pm  

Call it Crazy says

Even one of your NBC guys thinks it's nuts:

Then he's just ignorant about the issue. You have machines built by companies who are heavily in bed with republicans who won't share their proprietary software with anyone, and in certain key counties (but not elsewhere) the exit polling numbers vs vote counts go totally off the rails with these machines, and there's no way to recount or verify the results. The few times they have opened their machines up to hackers, the hackers were able to manipulate results with relative ease, and you have election officials showing up after the fact with 'oops, here are a few more votes we forgot to add in."... Yeah, no reason at all to be concerned. (that last bit was sarcasm if you couldn't tell)

8   bob2356   2012 Oct 21, 11:20pm  

gbenson says

Quigley says

And suddenly the democratic platform on the electoral college will change from "an out-dated, antiquated method that is robbing people of their voice" to "a sturdy and time-tested part of our heritage that is worth keeping."

Nope, still want it done away with, but only if we fix our broken voting system. We put men on the moon 40 years ago but still can't figure out how to vote without having to take time off work stand in long lines, and verify your vote was counted accurately.

Move to Oregon. Voting is all by mail. Worked great when I lived there.

9   david1   2012 Oct 22, 4:50am  

Bap33 says

and we need to make stupid people votes count for less than smart people votes. Votes should be weighted by intellect (IQ test and some basic American history, maybe a little economics) and by amount of taxes paid as a percentage of income.

Ladies and gentlemen, the modern American conversative.

10   New Renter   2012 Oct 22, 4:52am  

Bap33 says

Here in mexifornia, the same voting system that voted for Prop 187(but had a lib activist court block the peoples voice), voted against sodomite marriage(but sees a lib activist court sending the same rejected notion back into court at will), voted against death penalty(but everyone I know wants a death penalty, and a faster one), and voted against legal dope(and the liberal activist court refuses to turn loose), is never questioned when it votes for feinstein, boxer, moonbeam, or Lord Barry to win an election. Using the unelected court in place of votes is a stupid idea. The power is supposed to sit with "the people", not "the chosen". When the people vote, it should count.

If you don't care for sodomites why do you have such a blatantly homoerotic avatar?

11   gbenson   2012 Oct 22, 4:58am  

New Renter says

you have such a blatantly homoerotic avatar?

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that :)

12   New Renter   2012 Oct 22, 5:09am  

gbenson says

New Renter says

you have such a blatantly homoerotic avatar?

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that :)

So Bap33, when's the coming out party? :P

13   Tenpoundbass   2012 Oct 22, 5:15am  

So Captain America is gay now is he?
He's just a comic book hero, I didn't know he was from Key West.

14   Philistine   2012 Oct 22, 6:01am  

gbenson says

'oops, here are a few more votes we forgot to add in."... Yeah, no reason at all to be concerned

Oddly, as simple as it would be to rig election machines, you will never get it seriously investigated because people love to crucify a Conspiracy Theorist more than their own ideology. Arthur Miller's 'The Crucible' is an invaluable comparison here.

But moreover than that, if you are questioning the legitimacy of the voting machines, this assumes you already have confidence in the very act of voting--which in itself is the biggest sham of them all.

15   curious2   2012 Oct 22, 6:01am  

CaptainShuddup says

So Captain America is gay now is he?
He's just a comic book hero, I didn't know he was from Key West.

Captain America is from NYC, which has 100x more gay people than Key West does. I don't know whether Captain America and Bucky Barnes are gay or not, but a growing number of comic book characters are coming out. I always thought Batman and Robin were gay, though the recent movies have gone in a different direction.

16   Tenpoundbass   2012 Oct 22, 6:14am  

Oye Vay!

17   New Renter   2012 Oct 22, 6:54am  

CaptainShuddup says

So Captain America is gay now is he?

He's just a comic book hero, I didn't know he was from Key West.

Captain America doesn't have to be gay, but someone who cuts out his picture and hangs it on his wall - you have to wonder.

18   rooemoore   2012 Oct 22, 7:09am  

Quigley says

And suddenly the democratic platform on the electoral college will change from "an out-dated, antiquated method that is robbing people of their voice" to "a sturdy and time-tested part of our heritage that is worth keeping."

Watch!

If Romney wins the popular vote but loses the election, the movement to ditch(or drastically reform) the electoral college will grow like wildfire.

19   Philistine   2012 Oct 22, 7:22am  

rooemoore says

If Romney wins the popular vote but loses the election, the movement to ditch(or drastically reform) the electoral college will grow like wildfire

Meh, not really. Gore won the popular vote in 2000, by 500,000 something votes IIRC, and the sheeple didn't burn down the barn then. We're all a bunch o' dumbocrats and re-pubic-hairs, totally incapable of a French Revolution--as delightful as that would be.

20   rooemoore   2012 Oct 22, 7:49am  

Philistine says

rooemoore says

If Romney wins the popular vote but loses the election, the movement to ditch(or drastically reform) the electoral college will grow like wildfire

Meh, not really. Gore won the popular vote in 2000, by 500,000 something votes IIRC, and the sheeple didn't burn down the barn then. We're all a bunch o' dumbocrats and re-pubic-hairs, totally incapable of a French Revolution--as delightful as that would be.

Reforming the electoral college is a far cry from something on the scale of a "revolution". Actually, it has already begun on the state level. Because of the Senate, reform will never happen on a national level, but an agreement between many of the big left out states (Texas, California, New York etc) along with smaller red or blue (non-swing) states is already in the works. The current thinking is that state would agree to give there electoral votes to the candidate who wins the national popular vote. A secondary idea that has been floated is that states would give a percentage equal to the national popular vote.

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