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Dan8267 says

edvard2 says

He certainly has done a much better job than his predecessor

Obama is black Bush. He's Bush's third term. Plain and simple. Obama has double down on every evil policy of the Bush administration. Just because he is black and a Democrat doesn't make him at all different from Bush. Race and party don't matter. Policies matter.

In addition to drone strikes, a rise in illegal (warrantless) wiretapping and the NDAA Obummer also trumped Bush in federal raids on Marijuana dispensaries across the nation, Bush left the states pretty much alone on that one. The federal drug laws are unconstitutional if a state chooses to legalize and I wish the local Sheriffs would stand up for that as well (and refusing to illegally search, frisk and wiretap without warrants), not just for the 2nd amendment, but also the 4th and 5th and so on.

Scagnetti says

I didn't realize it was propaganda to show the truth,

There was no truth in there. It's antiAmerican propoganda, by people who hate America, and everything America stands for.

Politicians, and broken promise, OK they go hand and hand, but for everything this simulated broadcast said, there are more compelling things Obama has done that have done more than justify how some things can't, and don't go according to plan.

Dan8267 says

Kevin says

Cool story bro. I guess you won't vote for him next time then?

1. Obama can't run for a third term.

2. When voting in this country, you always vote for the lesser of the two evils. As bad as Obama is, Republicans keep nominating people who would be worse.

*whoosh*

David Losh says

There was no truth in there.

???????????????????????????????????????

The videos shown of Obama above didn't happen?
NDAA didn't happen?
Drone strikes didn't happen?
The patriot act extension didn't happen?
His promise to Guantanamo Bay didn't happen?
HR347 didn't happen?

What planet are you on?

Scagnetti says

35% of promises kept seems low to me! Especially since many of his broken promises could have been kept by a simple order from him. Not legislation in many cases, just an order.

Yeah, that does seem low. Let me help you with an updated chart (I pulled it today):

If you are pissed at Obama you must be livid with the GOP:

Dan8267 says

Obama deliberately targeted and killed a group of children in Afghanistan because the father of just one of the kids was a pro-"al Qaeda" reporter

Let's compare that to the shock, and awe of our Iraq attack, or the soldier who went house to house killing women, and chlidren.

Number one though, is that Obama never deliberately attacked woment, and children with a drone attack. Obama has changed the face of war to cut down on killing women, and children.

This is a war on terror, and I for one am very pleased Obama has targeted Terrorists.

People get killed in war. A lot of people get killed in wars, but the war we are fighting right now is far superior to anything we have seen in decades, if not centuries.

Obama has changed the face of war.

Let's take North Korea today. They want to do nuclear tests and test rockets capable of reaching the United States. Is that a good use of any country's resources today?

In my opinion we should spend much more time on the building economic relations in Asia than saber rattling North Korea.

Go figure Obama has already started doing that. North Korea is talking with South Korea economically rather than fence watching.

If you are really conerned about the Middle East or Somalia, I'd suggets you go there, and see what your up against. Most fat Americans think it's easy to stroll into countries that have been at war for thousands of years and show them a thing or two. They just laugh at us. Obama? They aren't laughing so much at Obama, like they did with Bush, or Cheney, or Dick Nixon.

Now Reagan, there was a guy with a plan, and I deeply appreciate what Reagan did for the world.

Obama has changed the face of war. It will never go back to what it was.

Scagnetti says

The videos shown of Obama above didn't happen?

What video, which video, shows anything? What are you talking about. I'm referring to the video you postes at the top of the fake news report.

Scagnetti says

NDAA didn't happen?

John McCain & Lindsey Graham Justifying The NDAA Bill

http://www.youtube.com/embed/pD0GthpIgQw

Infact Obama wanted to take it out of the bill, it was FORCED ON HIM BY THESE FOOLS!

Scagnetti says

The patriot act extension didn't happen?

and which party had the majority in the house and passed it?

RT News is nothing more than Russian propaganda

So before you start quoting and posting the commies use a USA propaganda network to prove your point maybe Faux News for starters

Scagnetti says

His promise to Guantanamo Bay didn't happen?

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure
(not OBAMA)
http://www.youtube.com/embed/7GgV9ZQlC-c

Scagnetti says

HR347 didn't happen?

"Our ruling

Napolitano said the law was signed "in secret." But the path of H.R. 347 to the president's desk was very public.

It was introduced in public, discussed in public, voted on in public, and then signed the same way as most bills. The White House says it posted the bill on its web page for legislation awaiting the president’s signature.

It’s true that there weren't cameras present, but if they had been, what would they have captured? That Obama signed the bill. That fact was announced by the White House the same day in a statement sent to thousands of journalists.

There may be legitimate reasons to question whether the law infringes on constitutional rights. But there were many occasions during its public consideration when critics could have questioned lawmakers and the White House about the law. We rate the claim Pants on Fire."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/30/andrew-napolitano/andrew-napolitano-chain-email-say-barack-obama-si/

RT news makes some of the best news out there - just because the binar can't comprehend them and others are obviously stuck on eternal McCarthyism, doesn't make those news less accurate and no-nonsense. If you want faux news instead, look no further than the US mainstream media.

Scagnetti says

Drone strikes didn't happen?

Usually a President will continue a program started by his predecessor, hence the only good idea Bush had was utilized by Obama to capture and kill who? That's right terrorists and Osama Bin Who?

What Planet are you from?

mell says

RT news makes some fof the best news out there - just because the binar can't comprehend them and others are obviously stuck on eternal McCarthyism, doesn't make those news less accurate and no-nonsense. If you want faux news instead, look no further than the US mainstream media.

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

"State-owned Ria Novosti news agency, which founded RT in 2005, is one of the largest in Russia."

STATE OWNED BITCHES!

Scagnetti says

Worst lolcat ever!

Thedaytoday says

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

Is it really propaganda if it's true and accurate?

Dan8267 says

Thedaytoday says

It's still Russian propaganda against the West

Is it really propaganda if it's true and accurate?

Yes. It is a State entity that has directed assets to challenge Western governments. Primarily rebuttals against the USA and the UK. Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Need I remind you who OWNS AND RUNS Russia?

RT is and always will be RUSSIAN STATE Propaganda, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

Infact Obama wanted to take it out of the bill, it was FORCED ON HIM BY THESE FOOLS!

The only way to force something on President is to overturn his veto. Which didn't happen in this case. So let's not kid ourselves: he is completely on board with this shite.

That's not what happened. He could not veto the defense spending bill!

NDAA was added by WHOM? Not Obama, it was the Repukes, McCain and Graham. It eventually was rammed down Obama's throat part of the defense spending bill.

So go read your history , it was not that long ago.

Thedaytoday says

Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

Dan8267 says

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

I disagree, I am not interested in consuming Russian made propaganda targeted at the West, they have their own agenda.
It's your personal opinion that it does not matter and your welcome to it.

I will not consume RT (Russian State Owned Media), it's obviously propaganda.

Dan8267 says

Thedaytoday says

Regardless of whether it's stories are true of false, accurate or inaccurate it is propaganda against the West.

Then it is unimportant whether or not it's propaganda. All that is important is if the stories are true and accurate.

Being that I don't watch RT I can't speak to whether or not I feel it is propaganda.

I do however believe that it is important if something is propaganda. Something can be truthful, yet not tell the whole story and/or be presented, subtly or not, in a way to sway people away from the truth--true yet intellectually dishonest.

Take for instance the issue in this thread of whether or not Obama has kept his promises. Say one had created some hypothetical news network that had a mission to misinform people and turn them against democrats. Let's say that 100% of there extensive coverage on Obama was discussing the 22% of promises he broke. While truthful this would not be an "honest" representation of Obama's record on keeping promises. I am sure that no American would have the moral depravity to take part in such a deceptive news organization like that. However, such an organization would breed ignorance, spread hate, and be harmful to public discourse in America.

leo707 says

Let's say that 100% of [their] extensive coverage on Obama was discussing the 22% of promises he broke. While truthful this would not be an "honest" representation of Obama's record on keeping promises. I am sure that no American would have the moral depravity to take part in such a deceptive news organization like that.

LOL ;) Alas, due to the dynamic you described, American perception of reality is bifurcating to such a degree that people live in polar opposite worlds. Even seemingly objective numbers, like % of promises kept or broken, are distorted by different lenses. Politifact spins promises broken into promises kept, while Faux News spins promises kept into promises broken. Perhaps it was always like that and we didn't see it before the WWW, which has enabled some people to see more broadly while others have dug deeper into their own silos.

I do watch RT occasionally and it can be interesting to see Putin's relentless critique of America. I wouldn't call it more objective necessarily but it comes from a different perspective and shows the elephant from a different angle. For example, they reported Romney's apparent voter fraud at a time when most American news outlets were shouting their usual binary narrative (Republicans saying voter fraud is committed by Democrats vs Democrats saying voter fraud doesn't happen).

Geez, I thought you were talking about Fox News.

Russia has television now? Is it in color?

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

He could not veto the defense spending bill!

Of course he could if it contained attachments he couldn't agree with.

Yeah, Obama could totally not approve paying for the military. What's the worst that could happen?

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda. Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

I believe a truly intelligent person can take an idea or opinion, analyze and dissect it in their own mind, and accept it or reject it based on its own merits.

Well they posted pictorials you can't argue with Photoshop.
I guess your argument is kaput.

Thedaytoday says

Scagnetti says

NDAA didn't happen?

John McCain & Lindsey Graham Justifying The NDAA Bill

Infact Obama wanted to take it out of the bill, it was FORCED ON HIM BY THESE FOOLS!

IDDQD says

Thedaytoday says

He could not veto the defense spending bill!

Of course he could if it contained attachments he couldn't agree with.

Unfortunately for you 121212, a court had struck down the provision pertaining to indefinite detention contained in the NDAA. The court decided it was unconstitutional. The Obama administration immediately appealed that decision to reinstate the provision! Obama is for it! Don't listen to what Obama says, watch what he does damn it!

http://rt.com/usa/news/appeals-ndaa-detention-public-536/

http://www.infowars.com/federal-court-rules-in-favour-of-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens/

Thedaytoday says

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

I see....so you blow your whistle on RT news being propaganda, but you post a video by one of biggest liberals on TV??? Hypocritical much?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/22/influential-media-obama-oped-cx_tv_ee_hra_0122liberal_slide_20.html

Thedaytoday says

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

"Civil rights advocates still hope Obama stays true to his word. By his own power, he could take significant steps to close the prison, or he could issue a so-called signing statement that supersedes the law preventing federal money from being used to transfer prisoners.

Zachary Katznelson, a senior attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union, said Obama can release 87 Guantanamo prisoners who have been cleared, and start proceedings for trials for the other 169 detainees.

"President Obama has enough control and power that he can get these men out today if he has the political will to do so," Katznelson said. "It is a political decision."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/guantanamo-bay-open-promises/story?id=16698768

Here's a news clip updating the current situation of Obama's (and others) support of indefinite detention for civilians defined in NDAA.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jNI2hRtN4c4

Thedaytoday says

Scagnetti says

The patriot act extension didn't happen?

and which party had the majority in the house and passed it?

And your point is? Who had the majority in the senate? Who's president? Who cares? Democrats are as bad as republicans. In fact, in many ways they aren't different at all, but the same.

leo707 says

Scagnetti says

35% of promises kept seems low to me! Especially since many of his broken promises could have been kept by a simple order from him. Not legislation in many cases, just an order.

Yeah, that does seem low. Let me help you with an updated chart (I pulled it today):

If you are pissed at Obama you must be livid with the GOP:

Thanks for updating it! I am not politically affiliated...I don't like politicians in general, regardless of party.

Scagnetti says

Thedaytoday says

U.S. Congress Continues To Block Guantanamo Closure

(not OBAMA)

I see....so you blow your whistle on RT news being propaganda, but you post a video by one of biggest liberals on TV??? Hypocritical much?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/22/influential-media-obama-oped-cx_tv_ee_hra_0122liberal_slide_20.html

Move to Russia and shut up you fool.

Scagnetti says

Thedaytoday says

Scagnetti says

The patriot act extension didn't happen?

and which party had the majority in the house and passed it?

And your point is? Who had the majority in the senate? Who's president? Who cares? Democrats are as bad as republicans. In fact, in many ways they aren't different at all, but the same.

That is my point, fool!

Scagnetti says

Unfortunately for you 121212,

Call me TheDayToday, Spagetti

Scagnetti says

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda. Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

I believe a truly intelligent person can take an idea or opinion, analyze and dissect it in their own mind, and accept it or reject it based on its own merits.

RT IS RUSSIAN STATE OWNED & OPERATED DEAR COMMRAD SPAGETTI

The mere fact that it is in English should tell you something!

You think Russians get their news from RT!

Thedaytoday says

RT news really that different than CNN? Is

Unless the Russian State own CNN, no it is not the same.

You make a stupid conclusion.

Thedaytoday says

Democrats are as bad as republicans

Your insane! Did you watch the elections and post election destruction of the GOP. The Repukes have gone off the mental cliff. They have no leaders left.

Do you know what the Republic Party platform?

Scagnetti says

In regards to propaganda......

If you want to speak in a very strict sense, where propaganda is defined as an attempt to influence someones opinion with selective facts, than almost everything is propaganda. News programs, talk radio, periodicals, books, art...even entire subjects like history and sociology are ingrained and shaped with biases. Even this very forum and the premise of this forum can be considered propaganda.

Sure, just about everything has bias, but that does not make it all propaganda. We live in a world of grey, no just black and white. Propaganda is an extreme bias where you are literal getting only one side of the story with the intent of influencing someone to support an idea, cause, etc.

Scagnetti says

In regards to propaganda......

Is RT news really that different than CNN? Is Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity really any different than Chris Matthews and Soledad O'brien? They are just opposite sides of the same coin.

Yes, they are different not quite "just opposite sides of the same coin."

I am not familiar enough with RT, but sure CNN has a bias however I would not call CNN propaganda per se.

Beck and Hannity do only tell one side of the story. Often with their selective facts are heaps of out right lies. Viewers of FOX "news" are worse informed on world and US events than people who watch no news. Beck and Hannity's depravity and shameless propaganda knows no bounds. If you are interested in the subject it was discussed at length in this thread:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219028&page=3#comments

Is MSNBC (Chris Matthews) propaganda? Yeah, it seems so, but not nearly to the degree that FOX "news" is. People who watch MSNBC are better informed than those who watch no news on domestic issues, but not international.

If you are looking for a news source with very low bias try NPR.