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Kevin says

Dead people can't be disgusted.

its ok to be a pacifists as long as you can get out of way of the people who will
make that sacrifice..

chanakya4773 says

It was a BIG ERROR by our intelligence team.

either way.. Iraq was gonna happen maybe in 2003 maybe in 2013...maybe by Bush or may be by Al Gore..

Al Gore: No Doubt Saddam's Weapons Are Grave Threat

http://www.youtube.com/embed/fFBl0fnMUVc

chanakya4773 says

precious 4000 lives.

4000 to save 10s 100s of MILLIONS ... sacrifices were made by our warriors..
as they have in past conflicts and wars... if your incapable of making that sacrifice
than step aside..

chanakya4773 says

now GOP got its panties in a knot for an error which cost us 4 lives.

nope.. thats where you wrong.. its about the political career of the President losing the election vs admitting that al Qaeda is still a treat even after the death of OBL.

Does... Osama is Dead and Ford is Alive.... Ring a bell.. clearly the marketing of Obama
was a farce...

robertoaribas says

If we hadn't have lost those 4000 lives in Iraq, saddam would still have all those weapons of mass destruction he had before...

we got a 2 for 1 deal...because of it... scared the fuck out of Gaddafi..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

On 19 December 2003, Gaddafi made a surprise announcement that he planned to dismantle the program. Libya agreed to destroy all of its chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons. Libya provided the designs of centrifuges to U.S. officials and gave the name of its suppliers. The revelation led to the debriefing of Abdul Qadeer Khan, one of Pakistan's top scientists. In 2004, the United States, along with IAEA officials and Interpol, led the arrest of the Libyan nuclear program's former head Friedrich Tinner. On 22 January 2004, U.S. transport planes carried 55,000 pounds of documents and equipment related to Libya's nuclear and ballistic missile programs to the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. In March 2004, over 1,000 additional centrifuge and missile parts were shipped out of Libya.

chanakya4773 says

4000 lives and then making up stories to justify the war.

sacrifices were made... its a concept alien to you.

I feel like there should be a party for the California conservative like me. I'm not racist, at least I don't think I am. I'm married interracially so I pass that test. I believe people should have the right to choose how to live their lives and do whatever they like until it hurts others. That's pretty libertarian, I suppose. I'm against propaganda, both sides. That means I won't be tolerating Fox rantings or gay mafia propaganda. People have a right to their beliefs in this country, even if others may find them repugnant. I believe that the government should do less. Less overseeing its citizens through endless regulation and policing. Less spent on invading other nations and less expensive war planes. Less intrusion into our lives over what we put in our bodies, be it raw milk or cannibis. I believe we could balance the budget, if sacred cows like homeland security were put on the chopping block. I believe the rich could pay more taxes if they're making 20 million annually and paying 11%. By anyone's math that is wrong. Close the loopholes! Then perhaps we can have the productive middle class tax rate at a sane level. I believe that corruption in government costs us all, and should be rooted out. We cannot afford to become a banana republic, which is increasing in likelihood as those from such cultures attain office and begin the double dealing.
I think we need to psychologically evaluate all politicians and place disclaimers on the ones who are likely sociopaths. That would discourage outright malicious activity in government. The Chinese had a tradition of this for centuries. We could learn something.
Anyone else have things to add to the list? Arguments?

Kevin says

Dead people can't be disgusted.

"In History I'll be dead..." GWB

thomaswong.1986 says

with no comments until AFTER the election

thomaswong.1986 says

the President losing the election vs admitting that al Qaeda is still a treat even after the death of OBL.

President Obama addressed each of your concerns in the debates he had with Mitt Romney.

Obama did say Benghazi was a terrorsit attack, and that terrorism was our biggest threat. Old timer Romney said Russia was our biggest threat.

If Mitt Romney hadn't thrown together an ill advised news conference concerning Benghazi there wouldn't have been a need for disinformation concerning the attack.

The United States government has found those responsible, and they should be dead by now, but I guess we'll need for the Republican noise to quite before we try them.

This is a war on terror. Obama has changed the face of that war from boots on the ground to actually targeting terrorists.

The military has asked for this since Viet Nam, and in my opinion Obama is the first President to listen.

Number of people who voted for Obama based on the aftermath of Benghazi: zero.

The only people who give a shit voted for Romney anyway. Its irrelevant.

Paul Ryan made another set of stupid comments concerning the Republican Party.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/338905/paul-ryan-addresses-nri-summit-nro-staff#

He used the phrase that the Republican Party has to be smart, which kind of implies that they have been stupid.

Paul Ryan never presents solutions, he is all about what the problems are, with absolutely no regard for how much can be done. He is pushing his own agenda of getting rid of Democrats.
Paul Ryan never sees himself as the problem.

The Tea Party has been, and continues to be divisive. I don't see any upside to this affiliation between the Tea Party and Republicans. That was a stupid alliance for Republicans to make.

The list of stupid mistakes Republicans have made continues without an end in sight.

Kevin says

This is such bullshit that it makes me happy. Republicans can't find anything legitimate to complain about, so they're wasting time grasping at straws.

I agree.

The interesting thing is that with their constant reinforcement from the right wing entertainment complex, they have no idea how stupid they look.

We are learning that dishonest propaganda eventually can have the opposite of the intended effect, even while the faithful are lapping it up and creaming their jeans.

Here's a favorite of mine, that has absolutely zero chance of putting a dent into the blind idiocy of the right wing dim bulbs that think there is some wrong doing here.

Major oops moment on Fox:

http://www.upworthy.com/the-one-where-a-national-security-expert-says-what-we-all-know-to-fox-newss-face?c=to2

I've read all the comments & now I'm confused. Who'd being sarcastic? Who's being serious? Who's as dumb as I am? Answer to the last question: All of the above.LMAO

ThreeBays says

Just look at how much they cry about a tax increase on the rich,

most small business including small shops that populate main street are not corporations and file as individuals. They buy/sell goods and services and employ the most people.

Think what a guy who owns his own garage fixes peoples cars.. what does he file.. whats his rats.. and he pays lots of taxes.

David Losh says

Obama did say Benghazi was a terrorsit attack, and that terrorism was our biggest threat.

no, your HERO said it was from a anti muslim Youtube video ... that was the party line.

chanakya4773 says

just like the concept that 4 people sacrificed their lives at bengazi is alien to you.

under you world view.. you wouldnt go after these killers cause some American can
get hurt over it.. Christ ! even the Israelis are better in dealing with terrorists.

chanakya4773 says

ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT !!

THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ BEFORE INVASION and long before invasion!! God people are so dumb. please get your facts from the right sources. what world do you live in ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War#Conclusions

as was reported IRAQ was stonewalling and misguiding the inspections not allowing inspectors to freely go where they wanted.. frankly all of this created the appearance of someone hiding weapons and projects...

You didnt need Bush, Good ol Al Gore was talking about WMD and terrorists links long before the 2000 election..

Al Gore: No Doubt Saddam's Weapons Are Grave Threat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc

Democrats, WMD's & The Iraq War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

chanakya4773 says

ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT !!

Your move... your gamble a mad man has his finger on the trigger.. man up what are you going to do.. more talk more wasting time...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/25/north-korea-threatens-attack-south-korea

In a third day of fiery rhetoric, North Korea directed its verbal onslaught at its neighbour on Friday, saying: "'Sanctions' mean a war and a declaration of war against us".

North Korea is not believed to have the technology to deliver a nuclear warhead capable of hitting the continental US, although its December launch showed it had the capacity to deliver a rocket that could travel 6,200 miles (10,000km), potentially putting San Francisco in range, according to an intelligence assessment by South Korea.

thomaswong.1986 says

ThreeBays says

Just look at how much they cry about a tax increase on the rich,

most small business including small shops that populate main street are not corporations and file as individuals. They buy/sell goods and services and employ the most people.

Think what a guy who owns his own garage fixes peoples cars.. what does he file.. whats his rats.. and he pays lots of taxes.

Completely and utterly irrelevant what a person does.

If someone is making enough income to paying even a tiny portion of their income in the top brackets (we're talking $400,000 in TAXABLE income, which will be significantly less than their actual income), they are very, very well off. Literally more income than 99% of the country.

Sorry, no pity here. Good for them that they were able to find success as an independent business owner rather than having to work for somebody else. That doesn't mean that they're some kind of fucking superhero.

thomaswong.1986 says

chanakya4773 says

ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT !!

Your move... your gamble a mad man has his finger on the trigger.. man up what are you going to do.. more talk more wasting time...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/25/north-korea-threatens-attack-south-korea

In a third day of fiery rhetoric, North Korea directed its verbal onslaught at its neighbour on Friday, saying: "'Sanctions' mean a war and a declaration of war against us".

North Korea is not believed to have the technology to deliver a nuclear warhead capable of hitting the continental US, although its December launch showed it had the capacity to deliver a rocket that could travel 6,200 miles (10,000km), potentially putting San Francisco in range, according to an intelligence assessment by South Korea.

Yeah, man, lets be scared of every tinpot dictator around the world, and spend trillions upon trillions of dollars that we have to borrow in order to make sure that they don't hurt us.

Fucking please.

North Korea isn't a threat to anybody but North Korea.

thomaswong.1986 says

no, your HERO said it was from a anti muslim Youtube video

Get your facts straight, it was one of the major points that lost Mitt Romney the debate.

Let's take the case of Jon Huntsman. Bobby Jindal is irrelevant.

Here's a reasonable man, could have been a great statesman president I think. However he was firmly kicked to the curb at every level in the last election. It would be a lot simpler to get behind Huntsman than try and drum up support for Jindal. See that happening? No.

The reason is simple. The GOP has become so firmly in thrall to corporate sociopaths and big money hardliners, that nobody but a hardliner will get the nod. Then the hardliner has to try and shake the Etch-a-Sketch during the general election and that just doesn't wash any more.

GOP is doomed until they kick the Teabaggers, Karl Rove & Reince Preibus, and frankly all the big-money and corporate donors to the curb.

Paradoxically I think Citizens United has doomed the GOP. They undoubtedly see the money as an asset to run expensive media campaigns I believe it's a huge albatross. Teabaggers are microcosm of that, it turned from a "movement" into a corporate-run widely-despised machine in only a few years.

edvard2 says

Bobby Jindal: " GOP needs to stop being the stupid party"

Which is why Jindal should leave the party of fools.

Vicente says

Let's take the case of Jon Huntsman. Bobby Jindal is irrelevant.

Neither of them are future leaders of the GOP. They have no political power.

CaptainShuddup says

Kevin says

Dead people can't be disgusted.

"In History I'll be dead..." GWB

10 seconds ago is history, yesterday is history, does that mean he is dead? No, typical GW.

Vicente says

big-money and corporate donors to the curb.

laughable once again.. you prefer they get their donations from professors of the UC system like Berkeley and Davis as was the case with Obama.... or how about his friends from GE, Citicorp, JP Morgan, Berkshire, etc.. or how about them big shots in silicon valley..Oracle, Google, Apple and many more big stinky democrats.... how about all of the big shots in Hollywood...

which big money and corporations you talking about ?

count the number of mega-millionaires and billionaires in this picture...

Vicente says

Paradoxically I think Citizens United has doomed the GOP. They undoubtedly see the money as an asset to run expensive media campaigns I believe it's a huge albatross. Teabaggers are microcosm of that, it turned from a "movement" into a corporate-run widely-despised machine in only a few years.

donations made by 100s of millions of Americans... something you want shut down... not going to happen.

Yes, Obama has some wealthy supporters in silicon valley (and hollywood). None of them was donating tens of millions of dollars to his campaign, though:

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php

I hope Adelson got his money's worth.

Kevin says

Yes, Obama has some wealthy supporters in silicon valley (and hollywood). None of them was donating tens of millions of dollars to his campaign, though:

like some above .. your trying to confuse individuals vs corporations...

political donations made BY Corporations are not deductible expense per IRS rules
so.. so all this talk about Corporations is just nonsense.. just who exactly would
but their neck out to make such a request for payment CEO or one of the VPs maybe?

Those who have money certainly did give plenty to Obama..

http://www.businessinsider.com/donations-obama-romney-tech-yahoo-google-facebook-2012-9?op=1

thomaswong.1986 says

count the number of mega-millionaires and billionaires in this picture...

I don't know who those folks are, except I think one is Steve Jobs, and he's dead. As I understand it he lent his opinion on some things, I don't find any references to him being a donor in the tens of millions range.

Plain and simple, the GOP optics as "bought". Grassroots is at the "kid table" at this point. You know, that's the card table at Thanksgiving where they stuff all the toddlers. How many folks at that table does it take to equal one Sheldon Adelson? Maybe the Democrats are just as bought, but if so they pull it off without getting a rap for it.

Per the OpenSecrets chart referenced by another poster of big donors, you have to go all the way down to #14 to find a Democratic donor.

The problem with GOP is, they thought enough buckets of money burned in ads and stuff would win them the election. Some big GOP donors are still ticked off it didn't. I suppose when you're a big player and you rub shoulders with Big Money, it never occurs to you that in the end that might turn some of the general public off. I'm not explaining it very well perhaps, sorry!

Vicente says

the GOP optics as "bought".

because you say so.. right ! and you mention one person ! was all this from Corporations or Employees employed by the named corporation.. do anyone of these employees disclose to their employer who they provided political funding ( a personal matter ) ?

Vicente says

Per the OpenSecrets chart referenced by another poster of big donors, you have to go all the way down to #14 to find a Democratic donor.

you skipped more than a few between 1-14...

6 National Education Assn
7 United Auto Workers
8 Newsweb Corp
9 Service Employees International Union
10 Carpenters & Joiners Union
12 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees
14 AFL-CIO

thomaswong.1986 says

you skipped more than a few between 1-13...

Oh right you are, I was misreading.

However the first 5 total over $115 million straight conservative.

I know everyone likes the giant cartoony check, however it just invites envy.

Vicente says

However the first 5 total over $115 million straight conservative.

employees of the corporation or corporation it self ?

thomaswong.1986 says

12 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees

you think it was the city state or muni that gave to Obama from the Govt funds ?

authorized by the mayor or city/county elected officials.. or just employees of the

city/state/county and muni ?

I dont see any corruption here.. do you ? would anything else be different from the list ?

The stupidest thing the Republican party does is fund not only their own party but also fund the other party as well.

thomaswong.1986 says

You didnt need Bush, Good ol Al Gore was talking about WMD and terrorists links long before the 2000 election..

If you can't tell the difference between talking about threats and sending in troops then you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.

The more important point about Jindal, is WHAT IS GOP GOING TO CHANGE?

Other than calling for their LOON wing to keep it's mouth shut, what of substance?

It's like keeping David Duke in the party but asking him to "tone down" his racism. It just doesn't wash, you need some ACTIONS not words and PR claims. Was he calling to jettison the Loon Wing entirely? No he was not, it's more like stay in the closet but stay on our side and keep giving us money.

This is about as ignorant as it gets....

Kevin says

North Korea isn't a threat to anybody but North Korea.

ThreeBays says

As Kevin mentioned, we're talking about taxable income in the upper bracket only, after a small business owner has deducted expenses from his income.

yes.. i know that.. but as i suggest you actually look around your town and city and talk to a small business owner.

thomaswong.1986 says

yes.. i know that.. but as i suggest you actually look around your town and city
and talk to a small business owner

What good would that do? If he makes over $400K in taxable income, why is anyone worried about him???

He can tell you how "hard" he works and how many people he employs.

Talking about small business owners is an emotional way yo shield criticism for bad policy.