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foxmannumber1 says

It is a fact that the average white has an average IQ of 100.

It would be higher too, if you weren't bringing down the curve.

robertoaribas says

you are also a stupid asshole. I call you this because of what you write, and who you are, not based on your race. See the difference, or does it elude you?

Can I double-like a post?

As far as the OP goes, I think they misunderstand the power the Vatican has over the voting public. Rightwingers tend to agree with right-leaning pronouncements. They disregard the others. Same is true for the left within Catholicism.

Isn't this, aside from a logical fallacy, the same issue as was entertained prior to Kennedy? Catholics get their marching orders from il papa?

They don't, and they vote according to myriad factors. They aren't simpleton single-issue voters, which explains perhaps, why they are increasingly liberal. No room on the right for people with their own minds.

curious2 says

The OP seems to think Republicans can fool Latinos into voting the way the Pope
says, but Latin American countries don't all vote that way, and there is no
particular reason to believe Latinos would vote that way here.

What I am saying is that there's virtually no downside for the reps to run a minority candidate out there next time for either prez/vp or both. While this thread is about Latinos, African Americans voted 93% vs 7% for Barack. The only downside for reps may be that some whites may stay home on election day if they run a minority candidate but overall I would assume that they will gain more minorities than whites lost. I am sure that they will be doing some research regarding this. At this point, I think if they don't react to the drubbing that they took last election that they are even stupider than it already appears. Now about "fooling", people get fooled all the time. Look how some white cons believe that Barack is a second coming of joseph stalin! Also if reps nominate a minority and dems go with lets say hillary clinton, they can indirectly put pressure on her or another white candidate (assuming that dems run a white candidate) to basically point out to minority potential voters that the minority reps basically represent the establishment which is against minorities - definitely a volatile position to be in! Politics is basically like sports - you have to attack your opponents' potential weaknesses and isolate matchups.

CL says

Catholics get their marching orders from il papa

He is not giving any more orders. As of this morning, he "retired"....

dublin hillz says

He is not giving any more orders. As of this morning, he "retired"....

If they replace him with a liberal (unlikely) it will be the same thing again. The Mel Gibson wing of the Church will be revolting...(both kinds!!). It's a big tent, and even in theological terms the Pope is not really the final word on much of anything. Catholics are allowed (even encouraged) to follow their own consciences, using the Vatican for guidance.

I think he still has a few weeks in any case. Perhaps they can find a "Franco Youth" to replace him? :)

dublin hillz says

What I am saying is that there's virtually no downside for the reps to run a minority candidate out there next time for either prez/vp or both

I totally disagree. What is the old adage, "If you have a choice between {party} and {party}-lite, voters will choose the real deal every time.

The GOP has a large chunk of racist nativists contained inside. Look at how difficult this whole process is for them. If it were not so, they would simply adopt {gay, woman, minority} friendly policies. They are stuck between a rock and a hardplace.

Probably the best political choice they can make is to have an "also-ran" so as to "prove" they're not racist, and still keep the nativist vote.

dublin hillz says

What I am saying is that there's virtually no downside for the reps to run a minority candidate out there next time for either prez/vp or both.

Yes they have such a LARGE field of minority GOP candidates to pick from....

It's like trying to form a winning team with white NBA players. Good luck!

Vicente says

dublin hillz says

What I am saying is that there's virtually no downside for the reps to run a minority candidate out there next time for either prez/vp or both.

Yes they have such a LARGE field of minority GOP candidates to pick from....

It's like trying to form a winning team with white NBA players. Good luck!

Well if they were to pick rubio/jindal and match up vs hillarry/whoever it would make for a rather interesting matchup.

dublin hillz says

Well if they were to pick rubio/jindal and match up vs hillarry/whoever it would make for a rather interesting matchup.

That's why it won't happen. They're not Democrats for a reason, and they have their own repugnant constituencies. They can't win over the Democratic base without losing those factions.

If they did/do, they will get a tiny sliver of the demographic they want to win, and still lose the election. There will be a tea-party rebellion, and there will be effectively two conservative parties fighting for the crumbs.

There are no easy ways out for them, I think, objectively.

Mark D says

this is an IQ map for your references. it's the same site where Roberto got his penis size map I believe.

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=16776

That can't be! We're #1! USA! USA! USA!!

Reporter interviews 2008 Sarah Palin rally audience. "I'm afraid if [Obama] wins, the blacks will take over. He's not a Christian! This is a Christian nation!"

BTW, regarding IQ, studies in more than 100 countries have found that IQ is negatively correlated with religious and "conservative" beliefs, i.e. people with lower IQ are more likely to be religious and "conservative". People of higher IQ are more likely to be more liberal and atheist or agnostic. Atheists had a higher average IQ than agnostics, and both had a higher average than religious believers.

The Republican coalition consists of financing from polluting plutocrats (we got both kinds - oil and gas) plus votes from "conservative" Christian fundamentalists stupid enough to be fooled into voting against their own interests and for policies that are neither conservative nor Christian. The notion that they can rope in Latinos is based on (a) many Latinos being religious and (b) open immigration allowing the plutocrats to bust unions and suppress wages. As the Al Jazeera interview shows, it might seriously antagonize their white "conservative" Christian base, resulting in another loss.

robertoaribas says

If you really are curious, read say "the mismeasure of man" by stephan J gould.

I'm always curious, and there have been many critiques of IQ testing. One team observed Egyptians' low scores and wondered how the descendants of what had been the world's most advanced civilization (ancient Egypt) could score so badly. They found different associations: while western IQ tests grouped items according to type (e.g. knife, potato peeler, can opener), Egyptians grouped by function (potato, potato peeler, bowl). The Egyptians were capable of learning the western categories, just as they can learn a second language, but it wasn't their first language.

Suggestion for Republicans: try nominating Larry Craig for President, without changing the party platform, and see if you get the gay vote. I'm guessing no.

Mark D says

hence the fall of the great civilization.

Interesting. I tend to think religious fundamentalism had a bigger effect. Aside from Islam's golden age (800-1100 AD on the Christian calendar), that religion has tended towards violent fundamentalism including killing anyone who does not conform. Any population that emphasizes maximum reproduction (Osama's dad had more than 60 kids, and Osama had 20), then culls the smart ones, is likely to get less smart.

curious2 says

Suggestion for Republicans: try nominating Larry Craig for President, without changing the party platform, and see if you get the gay vote. I'm guessing no.

That's in a wide-stance nutshell. It underscores the latent racism, doesn't it?

Put a brown-skinned man up there! Now let's see them claim we're racists!

& I have friends who are black, just so you know.

And the black vote went for Obama because, ya know, he's one of "them".

And Obama is going to give them all free handouts, because, ya know, HE'S BLACK TOO!!

But it's not racism, right?

Now, let's think this through. How many racists are there, percentage-wise, on the right in America today?

Not all right wingers are racist, but if you're a racist, you're probably a right winger.

Mark D says

that theory

Which theory? Duke's "race mixing" would lead to convergence, not divergence. Regarding Rome, it rose as a republic with freedom of religion, people of different religions and of none; then it plateaued as an empire where the emperors were counted among the various gods; then it became Christian and fell. I haven't heard of any significant change in color composition to explain the trajectory, but the correlation with religion is very strong.

robertoaribas says

the romans felt they were better than everyone else....

Actually they revered the ancient Greeks, and respected ancient Egyptian achievements also. Compare that to the Taliban, who destroyed the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan because they couldn't tolerate any evidence of a prior civilization that was at least in some ways more advanced than their own.

Mark D says

let me ask you: between a chihuahua and a german shepherd, which is smarter? same species.

Never ask a liberal a question. It does no good.

The only way a vehement white liberal will change their mind on race relations is being a victim of black violence. Even being a victim of black crime may not do it and their hatred of their own white race becomes reinforced, often stating that white people forced the black person to commit the crime as if the black does not have any control over their actions.

Since those of us posting on a real estate discussion forum are safely tucked away in our non racially diverse neighborhoods created by white flight the possibility of contact with real blacks is improbable. White liberals have a "diversity for thee but not for me" mantra.

dublin hillz says

Barack won the latino vote 71% to 29%

its the 29% that scares the frack out of Dems/Liberals.

its the same 29% that have no need for Democrats promises in exchange for votes,

they have been successful citizens for many decades and generations.

thomaswong.1986 says

dublin hillz says

Barack won the latino vote 71% to 29%

its the 29% that scares the frack out of Dems/Liberals.

its the same 29% that have no need for Democrats promises in exchange for votes,

they have been successful citizens for many decades and generations.

Have you ever actually spoken to a "Latino"?

Kevin says

Have you ever actually spoken to a "Latino"?

I am a native Californian.. i have known more Latinos than you can imagine.

Garcia, Alvarez, Gomez, etc etc.. friends from my childhood... but they dont
identify themself , not the latinos many in the media talk about.

Larry Craig.....he said Larry Craig in a sentence......Impressive my friend.....I laugh in the face of people who say republicans and democrats are different. The differences are subtle. But Repubs are certainly hypocrites on Larry Craig who is 'bashedly gay'

curious2 says

Suggestion for Republicans: try nominating Larry Craig for President, without changing the party platform, and see if you get the gay vote. I'm guessing no.

thomaswong.1986 says

its the 29% that scares the frack out of Dems/Liberals.

Why would 29% of Latinos voting for Republicans scare Democrats? 29% is not enough to win an election. If the Republicans' strategy is to get 29% of the vote, and for all I know it might be, then Democrats have nothing to be scared about.

40% of white voters chose Obama, along with 70% of Asian and Latino voters, and 90% of black voters.

But the more illuminating contrasts relate to religion. Romnesia's "success" was limited to voters who attend religious "services" at least weekly. Obama won among all others by 40 points. Do you think that might have something to do with a theocratic Republican platform with planks that polled at -40%?

dublin hillz says

Additionally, regarding "family values" Latinos actually practice it as opposed to talking about it. So based on these advantages the reps should have carried the demographic 66% vs 34% at least. A swing of 71% vs 29% the other way represnts nothing short of historic collapse give the intangibles - in fact the political strategist for the reps should probably be fired.

Latinos vote their pocketbooks more than their bibles. They may be rabidly pro-life or anti-gay, but when they go into the voting booth, they don't vote against thier economic self interest the way white conservatives tend to do. Republicans and their libertarian agenda don't appeal to Latinos. Remember, Latin America was the testing ground for many of the Chicago Boy's ideas, so their families learned the hard way what that kind of system does to the average person trying to work hard and raise a family. That upward redistribution of wealth and power sent many of them, or their relatives, to America in the first place. Why would they want to bring it here?

futuresmc says

They may be rabidly pro-life or anti-gay....

No, on balance, they aren't. To anyone other than the Republican taliban, "family values" means working hard to value your family. It doesn't mean "rabidly" persecuting other people. Even in heavily Catholic countries, most voters don't join the Pope's repressive crusades; the lessons they draw from Christianity include trying to love their neighbor, trying to remember that we are all of us sinners and should not cast the first stone, and trying to see each person as created in the unique image and likeness of God.

curious2 says

Why would 29% of Latinos voting for Republicans scare Democrats? 29% is not enough to win an election. If the Republicans' strategy is to get 29% of the vote, and for all I know it might be, then Democrats have nothing to scared about.

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

robertoaribas says

I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him...

50 years of the so called "War on Poverty" ..
and what do you have today ...

War on American Business and Industry sinking the American citizen to be dependent on
government programs ... bright future dont you thing so.

Good point Bobby.....guess those Asians are just affirmative action babies, not that I'm saying that you said that or anything.

robertoaribas says

thomaswong.1986 says

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

So why'd the Asians vote for Obama at an even greater rate? I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him... All living on welfare and free phones and stuff. Did he promise free rice too?

Remember, Asia includes many countries and religions. While Republicans campaigned on declaring America "a Christian nation," the House of Representatives got its first Hindu and the Senate got its first Buddhist. Both are Democrats. It isn't about "free stuff," it's about equal citizenship. The Constitution specifically prohibits any religious test of office and any law respecting an establishment of religion. The Republicans declared holy war against the Constitution, and lost.

This is why I openly have disdain for a boatload of multi-generational hispanics in New Mexico....comments like this. More common than not. Arizona same crapola....Kind of racism I was personally subjected to.....Kiss off Bobby

thomaswong.1986 says

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

Chieftain....you need to look at Dalip Singh Saund

curious2 says

Remember, Asia includes many countries and religions. While Republicans campaigned on declaring America "a Christian nation," the House of Representatives got its first Hindu and the Senate got its first Buddhist.

Hispanic with good parenting.....geez....how to act 'asian' 101....Imagine that

robertoaribas says

thomaswong.1986 says

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

So why'd the Asians vote for Obama at an even greater rate? I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him... All living on welfare and free phones and stuff. Did he promise free rice too?

robertoaribas says

I grew up in a college town. they used the local student population for tons of research, and I have no doubt that a part of my ability to score extraordinarily high on IQ tests, has to do with taking so freaking many of them, and other tests as well. You do get better with practice. On other tests, having a couple of romance languages as a kid (and reading non stop, we weren't allowed to watch tv) gives me a tremendous advantage on vocabulary tests. Even if I don't know a word, I can probably guess the correct answer on a multiple choice, due to similarity of many obscure English words and their Latin based roots.

The math part, maybe i was just born with that!

MMR says

Dalip Singh Saund

Thanks - very interesting - though he seems to have been Sikh and wore a turban, only calling himself Hindu as a generalization referring to India.

MMR says

robertoaribas says

I grew up in a college town. they used the local student population for tons of research, and I have no doubt that a part of my ability to score extraordinarily high on IQ tests,

oh yes.. this must be UC Berzerkly... a joke in the SF Bay Area... especially us Hicks from the South Bay...

Touche

curious2 says

MMR says

Dalip Singh Saund

Thanks - very interesting - though he seems to have been Sikh and wore a turban, only calling himself Hindu as a generalization referring to India.

thomaswong.1986 says

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

The entire premise of the 'handout' argument is fucking moronic too, since people who receive 'handouts' don't vote democrat in particularly large numbers. There is, at best, a slight majority. Most people on assistance simply don't vote at all!

The simple fact of the matter is that most minorities vote democrat because they perceive republicans as racist. Because there are a lot of racist republicans. Wealthy, poor, whatever, it doesn't matter. People won't vote for you if they think you hate them. Having token minorities like Herman Cain and Bobby Jindal isn't enough.

If republicans want to stop being perceived as racist, they should try not being racist.

robertoaribas says

you do realize saying I and other Latinos voted for Obama for handouts makes you an incredibly insulting asshole right?

Can you email this quote to the GOP leadership ASAP?!?!?!?!

Although, there was that guy last night. I think he was some kind of Spaniard. As a Mexican, I now want to vote for the Republican party. Because that guy's country was conquered by the same European Country that conquered mine!

Viva La Limbaugh!

Here's a hard and fast rule for you racists out there: "don't hate! Because whichever group you hate will someday end up a part of your family."

I think my white parents started kinda racist. Not so much haters, but they had definite ideas of which people were "quality" and which were not. 40 years later there are Latinos, Philippinos, Thai, and black people in their family. And they have grandchildren that they love who look nothing like them.
Racism is an unfortunate condition, but it can be cured! Not through more hate, but through love and knowledge.
Today's racist might become tomorrow's miscenogist.
We fight not against evil people, but against evil ideas.

Some of you need to stop pretending that only white people are capable of racism. We are all human and all carry our own prejudices. It's only racist if you act upon your prejudice to victimize others.