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If there was a shortage of STEM workers, then the wages would be skyrocketing which isn't the case, because they are able to import Guest illegals to beat back historic wages
The best way to verify this is to go to glassdoor.com and looks at engineering salaries at Raytheon, Northrup, & United Technologies. These are defense contractors who mainly employ US nationals for security (or soon-to-be) clearance work.
If there was a real dearth of Americans in STEM, these salaries would span from $100K to $300K, instead the ranges are from $50K to $150K, with the occasional outlying senior tasks/roles from $150K to $200K, pretty normal, if you ask me.
I believe those companies supporting this H1B expansion bill are the high-tech companies. It seems to me they want PhDs a lot of times. If you go to those highly ranked grad schools, more than 50% of the students in STEM are foreigners. So, I get that just domestic students alone will not meet their needs. However, from what I can tell, a lot of those foreigner PhDs graduated and had a hard time finding jobs in US. Maybe the bottleneck is on H1B quotas. I do not know.
I believe those companies supporting this H1B expansion bill are the high-tech companies. It seems to me they want PhDs a lot of times. If you go to those highly ranked grad schools, more than 50% of the students in STEM are foreigners.
But do they really need someone with the PhD training? Wouldn't a BS/MS in EE or CS (or any STEM area with sufficient programming projects) be enough? And at the same time, if the work is defense, as I'd hinted in the glassdoor.com bit, then H1-Bs can't really work on that stuff. What that means is that the average STEM salary in defense work would skyrocket, as there'd be a huge shortage of US citizen applicants, however, as you can see in Northrup, Raytheon, and others, the salaries are pretty tame and manageable. That's not a mark of a shortage.
I believe those companies supporting this H1B expansion bill are the high-tech companies. It seems to me they want PhDs a lot of times.
Sure, why not. I'd want a harem of supermodels too.
It seems to me they want PhDs a lot of times. If you go to those highly ranked grad schools, more than 50% of the students in STEM are foreigners. So, I get that just domestic students alone will not meet their needs.
Yes they will. Easily.
However, from what I can tell, a lot of those foreigner PhDs graduated and had a hard time finding jobs in US.
More evidence there are more workers than positions even without the H1B expansion. Take away the post-doc treadmill and you have an even better picture of the situation.
Maybe the bottleneck is on H1B quotas. I do not know.
The problem is the myth has encouraged young people to seek careers in STEM. Many are finding difficulty upon receiving their bachelors so they double down with a graduate degree hoping to God things improve by the time they get out. It doesn't. The only option for many is to hop onto the post-doc treadmill.
Maybe the bottleneck is on H1B quotas. I do not know.
The problem is the myth has encouraged young people to seek careers in STEM. Many are finding difficulty upon receiving their bachelors so they double down with a graduate degree hoping to God things improve by the time they get out. It doesn't. The only option for many is to hop onto the post-doc treadmill.
Problem is that one needs to double down on a 2nd bachelors or something different, like MS in accounting or physical therapy. I knew a chemical engineer, who got his 2nd degree in physical therapy. Was employed almost immediately, whereas he couldn't get squat with his chem engin bachelors, even in pharmaceutical companies with alleged worker shortages.
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If there's one thing that everyone can agree on in Washington, it's that the country has a woeful shortage of workers trained in science, technology, engineering and math — what's referred to as STEM.
President Obama has said that improving STEM education is one of his top priorities. Chief executives regularly come through Washington complaining that they can't find qualified American workers for openings at their firms that require a science background. And armed with this argument in the debate over immigration policy, lobbyists are pushing hard for more temporary work visas, known as H-1Bs, which they say are needed to make up for the lack of Americans with STEM skills.
But not everyone agrees. A study released Wednesday by the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute reinforces what a number of researchers have come to believe: that the STEM worker shortage is a myth.
The EPI study found that the United States has “more than a sufficient supply of workers available to work in STEM occupations.” Basic dynamics of supply and demand would dictate that if there were a domestic labor shortage, wages should have risen. Instead, researchers found, they've been flat, with many Americans holding STEM degrees unable to enter the field and a sharply higher share of foreign workers taking jobs in the information technology industry. (IT jobs make up 59 percent of the STEM workforce, according to the study.)
The answer to whether there is a shortage of such workers has important ramifications for the immigration bill. If it exists, then there's an urgency that justifies allowing companies to bring more foreign workers into the country, usually on a short-term H-1B visa. But those who oppose such a policy argue that companies want more of these visas mainly because H-1B workers are paid an estimated 20 percent less than their American counterparts. Why allow these companies to hire more foreign workers for less, the critics argue, when there are plenty of Americans who are ready to work?
The EPI study said that while the overall number of U.S. students who earn STEM degrees is small — a fact that many lawmakers and the news media have seized on — it's more important to focus on what happens to these students after they graduate. According to the study, they have a surprisingly hard time finding work. Only half of the students graduating from college with a STEM degree are hired into a STEM job, the study said.
“Even in engineering,” the authors said, “U.S. colleges have historically produced about 50 percent more graduates than are hired into engineering jobs each year.”
The picture is not that bright for computer science students, either. “For computer science graduates employed one year after graduation . . . about half of those who took a job outside of IT say they did so because the career prospects were better elsewhere, and roughly a third because they couldn't find a job in IT,” the study said.
While liberal arts graduates might be used to having to look for jobs with only tenuous connections to their majors, the researchers said this shouldn't be the case for graduates with degrees attached to specific skills such as engineering.
The tech industry has said that it needs more H-1B visas in order to hire the “best and the brightest,” regardless of their citizenship. Yet the IT industry seems to have a surprisingly low bar for education. The study found that among IT workers, 36 percent do not have a four-year college degree. Among the 64 percent who do have diplomas, only 38 percent have a computer science or math degree.
The bipartisan immigration plan introduced last week by the so-called Gang of Eight senators would raise the number of H-1B visas, though it would limit the ability of outsourcing firms to have access to them. Tech companies such as Facebook and Microsoft have fought hard to distinguish themselves from these outsourcing companies, arguing that unlike firms such as Wipro, they're looking for the best people, not just ones who will work for less.
But some worry that the more H-1Bs allowed into the system, the more domestic workers get crowded out, resulting in what no one appears to want: fewer American students seeing much promise in entering STEM fields.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/study-there-may-not-be-a-shortage-of-american-stem-graduates-after-all/2013/04/24/66099962-acea-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html
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