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If Your Doctor Insists That Vaccines Are Safe, Then Have Them Sign This Form
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2013 Jul 18, 4:47am 20,203 views 90 comments
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Dude, how could you be so 'selfish'
ince we're more or less staying near home in 2013, we can benefit from vaccines without taking them: enough other people around us get the vaccines that we're protected by "them
No conclusive evidence.......yet. The meta-analyses of case-control studies thus far still suggests that being close to power lines is carcinogenic presumably due to the EMR it generates.
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v103/n7/abs/6605838a.html
If you have seen any more powerful studies to date, I'd be interested at looking at them
here hasn't been any conclusive evidence that links them to various health concerns unless of course someone were dumb enough to touch the live wires.
I got a tdap booster shot last year. Was sick for two weeks after that. No one told....
So are you saying that due to your experience that you're never going to get a vaccine again?
In my experience, most doctors stink at informed consent across the board. I don't think it's a vaccine specific issue at all, although vaccines are the topic being discussed here. Some of it has to do with greed, as, if it falls under 'standard of care' and doctors can bill for it, some doctors might do just that, even if it doesn't benefit the patient......the other thing is the insurance mill brand of medical practice where each patient is often just part of a production line.
Tough to practice good medicine when a doctor has only 5-15 minutes to see a patient, often less. Things like informed consent usually get short shrift; to reiterate, it is not a vaccine-specific problem, rather, it is a systemic managed care problem across all fields of medicine and most treatments.
Furthermore, name ONE medical procedure or any other form of medication that is 100% safe or free or risk. You won't find any. So why the scrutiny over vaccines when they fall under this same standard?
No conclusive evidence.......yet. The meta-analyses of case-control studies thus far still suggests that being close to power lines is carcinogenic presumably due to the EMR it generates.
Last I read there has been around 25,000 studies conducted concerning high power lines. As stated before, there is as of now no conclusive evidence to suggest health issues with high power transmission lines. As someone who actually works occasionally with high power devices, it- like most any other potentially dangerous item- has certain safety protocols and common sense concerning them.
For instance there is a threshold that when met with a set voltage that can cause harm to you if you don't take precautions. The distance one is standing from a high power sources is also a factor. Given that high power lines are often well over 100 feet up in the air pretty much guarantees that you are already fairly far from the source.
This conversation comes right back to where I started from: If you are someone seeking potentially harmful side effects of basically.... anything, well, congratulations. You'll find a potentially harmful outcome for basically anything that exists. The question is how do you deal with that reality? Go hide under the bed all day? Of course not. You weigh the risks and use common sense to make a decision.
In my experience, most doctors stink at informed consent across the board.
Your personal experiences doesn't mean that translates to overarching fact.
B.A.C.A.H.
2013 Jul 19, 7:03am
Edvard, before "The Valley" was so Cool and Hip, lotsa techs were military veterans who got their technician training in the military during the Cold War. Some of them told me that if they were working near microwave radars in cold places like Alaska or Canada or Manchuria (yes, "we were" there too, Red gov't didn't want people to know, though) they'd try to warm up by getting very close to the transmitters.
No I don't have that luxury. But as long as my titers are good and no one bothers me about it, I will do everything I can to minimize my exposure. I have to have my titers checked every 2 years for MMR, HBV, DTP and VZV and annual TB test. My titers were good from shots I took over 20 years ago.
At least for the next few years I have to take a flu shot. That also made me sick last year btw. But it is better than walking around talking to patients while wearing a face shield, since the only contraindication for school is an allergy to eggs. I also don't want to be remembered as 'that guy' who asked for a religious exemption; in my case it wouldn't even be entertained. Even if it were entertained, my future advancement relies on me not ruffling the wrong feathers and committing career suicide. Until a student gets through a residency, they have to be very careful about expressing an opinion on anything.
The stupidity of giving a flu vaccine is that the vaccine only accounts for 2 or 3 strains of flu and guessing which one is going to be prevalent in a given season is a crapshoot. Secondly, it isn't going to prevent you from transmitting the flu virus to another patient.
Most students just do it because they have no brains.other than to regurgitate what someone else wants them to know and don't think critically about the issues of health care worker autonomy vs patient safety. Not thinking about these issues and just accepting things in a robotic manner makes it easier for these future doctors to push garbage on unsuspecting people.
I got a tdap booster shot last year. Was sick for two weeks after that. No one told....
So are you saying that due to your experience that you're never going to get a vaccine again?
That's true, but I still probably know exponentially more doctors than you do
edvard2 says
In my experience, most doctors stink at informed consent across the board.
Your personal experiences doesn't mean that translates to overarching fact.
Oh I've heard of some stories like that and worse. What's a little creepy is that in the 60's there was a situation where one brand of TV actually produced X-rays. In order for a cathode tube to "fire", you need an enormous amount of current. As in anywhere from 10,000-30,000 volts. In the 50's and 60's of course the TVs were powered with vacuum tubes. The BW sets usually operated their CRTs at under 10,000 volts, so that wasn't a big deal. Color tvs on the other hand use a LOT more current, as in 20-30,000 volts. I can't recall the exact number, but whenever you operate something at around 14,000-16,000 volts ( Can't recall the exact number) therein lies the possibility that this high voltage will generate X-Rays. TV manufactures placed shields and coatings on the high voltage components to prevent X-rays from escaping their enclosures. But apparently in the 60's there was a number of sets from one manufacture that had some high power output tubes with inadequate shielding. Result? Some families watched TV and got X-rayed at the same time. ( Actually the X-rays were shooting out of the bottom of the tubes to the floor so it probably wasn't that awful) but nevertheless... who woulda' thunk?
That's true, but I still probably know exponentially more doctors than you do
Oh you do? I would be rather curious as to how you arrived at that very informative conclusion.
Because I have a lot more relatives who are doctors and I'm in medical school???
Because I have a lot more relatives(over 30) who are doctors and I'm in medical school???
Reasons underlining why informed consent is suffering in medical care
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/10/informed-consent-central-doctorpatient-relationship.html
Because I have a lot more relatives who are doctors and I'm in medical school???
And so you just randomly assumed that I too don't have that exact same situation?
You're a doctor? sure dude
Because I have a lot more relatives who are doctors and I'm in medical school???
And so you just randomly assumed that I too don't have that exact same situation?
No one told me at Mt Sinai in New York(not that I needed them to), as most of the time, the nurses are the ones administering shots and not physicians.
If you are saying no one told you that there are risks, I find that very hard to believe. Every time I've ever gotten a vaccine or been with someone while they got one, several comments were made regarding risks, including mild ones like becoming slightly ill after receiving the vaccine.
Because I have a lot more relatives who are doctors and I'm in medical school???
That's amusing that you have ??? at the end of your sentence.
I think we are all questioning your comment.
No one told me at Mt Sinai in New York(not that I needed them to), as most of the time, the nurses are the ones administering shots and not physicians.
If you are saying no one told you that there are risks, I find that very hard to believe. Every time I've ever gotten a vaccine or been with someone while they got one, several comments were made regarding risks, including mild ones like becoming slightly ill after receiving the vaccine.
Pediatricians never talk about risks before giving vaccines. Telling you after the fact that your kid may come down with symptoms is not discussing the risks beforehand and giving you a choice. Nobody advocated not to get any vaccinations, but to do a risk/reward analysis on each of them and then cut out the unnecessary ones. The flu shot and hep b vaccine are prime candidates for deep scrutiny, tetanus is likely accepted by most as necessary. The MMR combo might have been a good idea, but measles is the most threatening one, it is debatable why one would need the other MR. Plus, some illnesses are easily fought off by kids but can cripple you in adulthood, so never being exposed to therm means you have to stay on top for a lifetime. Lastly, checking your titers should be the preferred method as antibodies can last in some for a lifetime and perish quickly for others, so why vaccinate without testing the titers first, which is fairly cheap.
While we're on this subject, well gosh- if the contents of this post is really that concerning then what about cars? Should the automakers all have representatives who show up each time we take the ole' jalopy for a spin so can sign a documents that let's us know there is a "possibility" we might get in a crash?
Pediatricians never talk about risks before giving vaccines.
That is just flat out false. Nothing more to say.
Pediatricians never talk about risks before giving vaccines.
That is just flat out false. Nothing more to say.
Sure, I imagined the whole thing from the kid's birth to the first visits and vaccinations. Most doctors & hospitals will even freely admit that since they are not on the hook for the vaccinations.
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Fulltext/2005/05001/Duration_of_Immunity_Against_Pertussis_After.11.as
"Duration of Immunity Against Pertussis After Natural Infection or Vaccination"
Despite decades of high vaccination coverage, pertussis has remained endemic and reemerged as a public health problem in many countries in the past 2 decades. Waning of vaccine-induced immunity has been cited as one of the reasons for the observed epidemiologic trend. A review of the published data on duration of immunity reveals estimates that infection-acquired immunity against pertussis disease wanes after 4-20 years and protective immunity after vaccination wanes after 4-12 years. Further research into the rate of waning of vaccine-acquired immunity will help determine the optimal timing and frequency of booster immunizations and their role in pertussis control.
"vaccination wanes after 4-12 years"
DURATION OF IMMUNITY ACQUIRED BY wP VACCINATION
Estimates of the duration of immunity acquired after wP vaccination range from 4 to 12 years (Table 2). 5,6,13,14,17-21 These estimates have been derived indirectly from various studies, none of which was designed primarily to study the duration of immunity.
No, just that you have stated that you come from a family of teachers repeatedly.....I guess that's a 'random assumption'.....
Not to mention that you came to the bay area working at minimum wage jobs and saved money to buy the house you had today. If you had been a doctor, you would almost certainly be in debt today.
Thirdly you are a major proponent of Obamacare. Most doctors are not, so that would decrease the odds of you being a doctor as well
hmm....so much for common sense
randomly assumed that I too don't have that exact same situation?
Coming from a non-doctor/medical student who has never been in an environment where vaccine shots were administered to other peoples kids. Believe what you want to believe, doesn't make it so. There are always exceptions, but saying that informed consent is the norm shows how little you actually know.
Get back to me when you start working in a hospital on a day to day basis.
f you are saying no one told you that there are risks, I find that very hard to believe
Shaman
2013 Jul 19, 3:40pm
Speaking of flu vaccines. Yes, they have been spectacularly unhelpful at preventing disease in the past, an also perfect waste of resources. But this company Inovio is preparing for clinical trials of a new flu vaccine that prevented 100% of transmission in mice. Might be the new gold standard in flu vaccines if it makes it all the way to market.
turtledove
2013 Jul 19, 4:23pm
If all these vaccines cause cancer then why don't we all have cancer? The vaccines have been administered for many decades now. I understand that you say it's underreported, but wouldn't we see some evidence among our friends, families, co-workers, schoolmates, and acquaintances? How are we all dodging these bullets?
My son was one of those children who, despite vaccination, got the measles. Because he had been vaccinated, he got a very mild case of the disease. He was still sick as a dog (the measles were in his ears... the kid was shrieking in pain for days). I would hate to find out what a severe case of measles looks like.
You know how many people whom he had come in contact with at home and school caught the measles from him? None. It's hard to imagine that vaccines don't have something to do with that. Especially when you consider that back in my parents' days (before MMR shots), kids got measles rather easily (usually from exposure to another kid at school or a sibling who brought it home).
My son was the first kid I've EVER known who got a non-mutating disease for which he had been vaccinated. If the vaccines don't work, wouldn't we know people who are getting these diseases despite having been vaccinated?
Common means it's happening with a degree of frequency. Are all these people part of the pharmaceutical conspiracy? I guess no one told me I was supposed to keep our measles-despite-vaccination-situation a secret.
Oh.... someone's at the door. I better get that. It must be big-pharma coming over to silence me. If I don't post again, be careful whom you repeat my story to. You could be next!
Because it's true.
Flu vaccine barely worked in people 65 and older
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2013/02/21/flu-vaccine-doesnt-work-over-65/1934651/
Homeboy says
Speaking of flu vaccines. Yes, they have been spectacularly unhelpful at preventing disease in the past,
Why do you say that?
If all these vaccines cause cancer then why don't we all have cancer?
Global cancer rates could increase by 50% to 15 million by 2020
http://www.naturalnews.com/033447_Institute_of_Medicine_vaccines.html
Institute of Medicine adverse reactions report admits MMR vaccines cause measles, seizures, anaphylaxis and other health problems
My son was one of those children who, despite vaccination, got the measles. Because he had been vaccinated, he got a very mild case of the disease. He was still sick as a dog (the measles were in his ears... the kid was shrieking in pain for days). I would hate to find out what a severe case of measles looks like.
"The Institute of Medicine, which has long functioned as a front group for the pharmaceutical industry and receives tens of millions of dollars in annual funding from drug companies and global elitists (like Bill Gates, Ted Turner, etc.), has issued a report that declares the MMR vaccine is not linked to autism. This is now being widely reported in the conventional (controlled) media, which isn't telling you the real story behind this report.
What's the real story? That this IOM report, even though it goes out of its way to excuse vaccines and dismiss safety concerns, still openly admits that vaccines cause measles, febrile seizures, anaphylactic shock and other potentially fatal side effects. It also admits that other vaccines are linked to a whole host of bizarre side effects, including skin lesions, difficulty breathing and live virus infections (see complete list, below).
Furthermore, the conclusion that "vaccines do not cause autism" is erroneous, as the IOM did not interview even a single parent of an autistic child and did not conduct a medical review of any autistic children whatsoever. Instead, the IOM claims to have reviewed thousands of vaccine papers published in conventional medical journals -- yes, the very same medical journals that are practically run by pharmaceutical interests and have been caught publishing "scientific" articles that were really fraudulently ghostwritten by drug company hacks. (http://www.naturalnews.com/029160_medical_journals_ghostwriters.html)
In layman's terms, this is what's known as a "scientific circle jerk" where one group of bought-off scientists quotes another group of bought-off scientists as "authorities" even though they all parrot the same medical quackery of their masters -- the pharmaceutical companies.
Predictably, the old dinosaur media spins the report into a complete lie
Regardless of the fact that the IOM report found a long list of side effects to be "convincingly" linked to vaccines (which is remarkable, given the IOM's pro-vaccine slant, as revealed below), the mainstream media went out of its way to twist the story around and declare vaccines are perfectly safe!
Forbes Magazine, which has long been a zombie mouthpiece for pharmaceutical business interests, ran with the headline, "Report Finds Few Side Effects For Vaccines." (Not true. The report actually found an alarming number of side effects for vaccines.)
The Sydney Morning Herald, the pro-pharma quack rag of Australia, declared "Vaccine gets another clean bill of health, but no one is listening." (A total and deliberate lie by a newspaper that maliciously lies to its Australian readers on a regular basis.)
NPR, which no one even expects to honestly report a story anymore, declared, "Report: Vaccines Are Safe, Hazards Few And Far Between." Voice of America parroted, "US Study: Vaccines are Safe." (Again, a complete fabrication. Did they even read the IOM's report?)
The trouble, of course, is that all these headlines are really more like headLIES. They fail to report what the IoM actually published in its own conclusions, and even that is a distorted version of the truth of how dangerous vaccines really are. But it surprises no one to see conventional media -- the presstitutes -- covering up the crimes of the deadly vaccine industry. They're all in this together, of course. It's the pharma interests that buy a significant portion of the advertising which keeps these rags in business, and if they actually told the truth about the dangers of drugs and vaccines, drug companies would pull their ads and many of these media outlets would simply collapse into financial insolvency (which is actually what they deserve, given that they only serve their corporate masters and contribute nothing to the people of society).
So they keep parroting the lies of Big Pharma and the distortions of the IoM, which as you will soon see, is an entirely untrustworthy organization that has a history of being involved in illegal medical experiments and crimes against humanity, including having its members play a role in the illegal syphilis medical experiments on Guatemalan prisoners."
Courts quietly confirm MMR Vaccine causes Autism
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/
July 27, 2013. Austin. After decades of passionate debate, parents probably missed the repeated admissions by drug companies and governments alike that vaccines do in fact cause autism. For concerned parents seeking the truth, it’s worth remembering that the exact same people who own the world’s drug companies also own America’s news outlets. Finding propaganda-free information has been difficult, until now.
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If Your Doctor Insists That Vaccines Are Safe, Then Have Them Sign This Form http://bit.ly/17ofe4k
The average person that consents to a vaccine injection, either for themselves or for their children, genuinely believes it is for the betterment of health. What they are not aware of is that even their doctor is likely unfamiliar with the toxic ingredients contained in vaccines which can immediately begin to degrade both short- and long-term health. If your doctor insists that vaccines are safe, then they should have absolutely no problem in signing this form so that you may archive it for your own records on the event of an adverse reaction.
The reality of vaccines is that they are a far greater risk to human health than benefit and always have been. In fact, two centuries of official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically that modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improving life expectancy and survival from diseases in developed nations.
Proof: