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Bap33 says

CATO Institute

upisdown says

Really??? How about from the issuing authority, instead of some ideological
based screwball site.

Dumbass, The CATO Institue isn't some ideaological based group??

marcus says

FortWayne says

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

It's not like I thought you would consider (let alone comprehend) my comment in it's entirety.

There is nothing else to comprehend, just an excuse train for the criminal and deadbeat behavior of a group of people not willing to help themselves, just sitting waiting for hand outs.

I don't think so. There is nothing in the constitution, bill of rights, etc...stating that.
If you are implying that due to blacks being slaves during the revolution, well there were free blacks during that time also.
This country was founded for everybody.

foxmannumber1 says

This country was founded by white people for white people.

This is interesting, from less than 80 years ago. Jesse Owens was an incredible athlete and track star of the 1936 Olympics, winning 4 gold medals.

His stay in Germany showed Owens that a different life was possible for him as a black man. Unlike back home in the United States, in Germany Owens trained, traveled and stayed in the same hotels as his white teammates. In the United States, Owens was asked to ride a hotel’s freight elevator to get to a reception being held in his honor.

http://www.biography.com/blog/jesse-owens-biography-olympic-triumphs-olympic-sized-struggles-20892201

Dan,
I support the United Negro College Fund. Call them and tell them they are racist for knowing the correct term for the sect of humanity that shares common DNA traits. We are Negro, Dan. We are not black, not colored, possibly African, but absolutly we are Negro. And proud of it.

upisdown says

Bap33 says

CATO Institute

upisdown says

Really??? How about from the issuing authority, instead of some ideological
based screwball site.

Dumbass, The CATO Institue isn't some ideaological based group??

lol .. that's your retort? really?? ok. Nice.

Here's another way, but you may have to actually read a little. Go to the US Census page and look under "Social Insurance and Human Services" ..... in the PDF's that are available under the different areas in that drop-down menu you will find all of the info you are pretending does not exist. And, as it turns out, negro and hispanic are milking this country dry at an alarming rate when a person takes the time to look under ALL social handout programs. It's much worse than even I shared. At any rate, none of this matters if you feel the US Census is a right-wing entity.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/resource/character/fy2010/fy2010-chap10-ys-final

Whites, blacks and hispanics are each about 30% of TANF usage.

Non hispanic Whites are about 66% of the US population, blacks are about 12% of the US population and hispanics are about 15% of the US population.

Sounds like your ancestors were racists.

marcus says

This is interesting, from less than 80 years ago. Jesse Owens was an incredible athlete and track star of the 1936 Olympics, winning 4 gold medals.

His stay in Germany showed Owens that a different life was possible for him as a black man. Unlike back home in the United States, in Germany Owens trained, traveled and stayed in the same hotels as his white teammates. In the United States, Owens was asked to ride a hotel’s freight elevator to get to a reception being held in his honor.

http://www.biography.com/blog/jesse-owens-biography-olympic-triumphs-olympic-sized-struggles-20892201

Bap33 says

lol .. that's your retort? really?? ok. Nice.

Here's another way, but you may have to actually read a little. Go to the US
Census page and look under "Social Insurance and Human Services" .....

Screw you ya extremist hack, you pulled some number out of your ass, and I called you out on it. You provide the proof, to back up your BS.

Why do you think that I said the 'issuing authority'? Because the standard right wing BS mongers that like to make all the assistance programs look bad by shuffling the data around are: CATO Institute, Heritage Foundation, and the American Enterprise Institute.

Expecting you extremists to prove your punditry one-liners is like expecting a fish to change the oil in my car.

Bap33 says

support the United Negro College Fund.

Oh honey, even they have rebranded.

Dan8267 says

Bap33 says

support the United Negro College Fund.

Oh honey, even they have rebranded.

Actually the UNCF and NAACP have both kept their names. Thurgood Marshall switched to writing Afro-American, but said, "I spent most of my life fighting to get Negro spelled with a capital N. Then people started saying black and I never liked it." He continued to say Negro when speaking from the Supreme Court bench.

Dan8267 says

Bap33's word usage says all you need to know about his racial views.

I suggest you read up on the word usage before calling someone racist. You pretty much have labeled much of Spanish/Portuguese speaking world of being racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

I will put my money on the strong guy with a gun and quick reflexes over the slow oaf with a gun.

So the gun doesn't level any playing field.

SoftShell says

Guns level the playing field.

Otherwise the strong will dominate the weak.

Your statement below interprets as "The weak love their guns".

And you call them 'stupid'.

So I must conclude that you are one of the 'strong', and it pisses you off to no end that you cannot dominate the 'armed weak'.

Tough shit for you.

StillLooking says

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

curious2 says

Actually the UNCF and NAACP have both kept their names.

I thought the whole UNCF abbreviation was like a KFC thing to get away from "fried".

thomaswong.1986 says

I suggest you read up on the word usage before calling someone racist. You pretty much have labeled much of Spanish/Portuguese speaking world of being racist.

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish. So your Straw Man argument is clearly false. But nice try at making me look bad. Maybe someday you'll actually achieve that goal if you keep trying so hard.

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Dan8267 says

But nice try at making me look bad. Maybe someday you'll actually achieve that goal if you keep trying so hard.

you do that well without anyone's help.

well the weak guy is probably a patnet nerd type wanked out on triple vente cappuccinos...he'll be quick to the draw also...

StillLooking says

I will put my money on the strong guy with a gun and quick reflexes over the slow oaf with a gun.

So the gun doesn't level any playing field.

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Dan8267 says

please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it
with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find
your killers.

ummm ... I think this would be called racist by most everyone on here ... suggesting ghetto people would not follow the law and would be violent against a person over nothing more than speech.... but, I may be wrong.

upisdown says

Screw you ya extremist hack, you pulled some number out of your ass, and I
called you out on it. You provide the proof, to back up your BS.

nope ... I put up truth and you reacted like a common libtarded leftist racistbaiting biggot. No big surprize.

Dan8267 says

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Negro/Blanco ?? and you call yourself Liberal ... more like PC brain washed.

Negro is a common term used in the Americas.

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

Dan8267 says

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

StillLooking says

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

You mean the drugs not the guns... the gangs make money from drug dealing.

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

thomaswong.1986 says

StillLooking says

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

You mean the drugs not the guns... the gangs make money from drug dealing.

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

pot, coke, meth, H ... whose gang owns all the blocks and who deals in drugs.

you of all people who lives close to "Capone" country should already know this..

your whole region has been marked by criminal organizations money making.

why do you think there was something called the "Valentine Day Massacre" ?

they stopped the mafia by throwing them in jail..not breaking the 2nd amendment.

you cant be.. how shall we say it.... "uninformed" to be it lightly....

This whole thing has gone awry....

You have the set of people who get their news from Rachel Maddow and The Colbert Report. The people in that subset have lost their initial argument(that Zimmerman was guilty), have lost their second argument(that Zimmerman was probably guilty), and are now left with arguing that the self defense laws are bad and should be amended so that following someone is considered a contributing precursor to manslaughter. Ie if a person sets off a chain of events, even though those actions may in and of themselves be legal, then the person should be guilty of any crimes that then follow. This actually is in fact the law in California, and I presume elsewhere with one(Huge) caveat.....the standard of a reasonable person expecting the end result is applied. Of course the logic leap as applied to Zimmerman/Martin is ....well I can't figure out how you get there.

And what I've found out in addition to the fact that these people are wrong is that theres moral absolutism that needs to be applied here.

Trayvon Martin never should have called The Weeble. He should have called the police. He should have left the area(if he could have). He never should have confronted George Zimmerman.

If your argument is that hes had negative police encounters and therefore cant call the police, my counter argument is that you are a dumbfuck. A reasonable person, even one with negative police encounters(like say myself) would be smart enough to distinguish between oh say marijuana possession where the cop hooks you up and bangs your head into the police car as he seats you vs. calling someone who might save your life in a life threatening situation. Not calling the police when in danger, and instead calling your weeble shaped friend(who incidently gave TM basically the worst advice ever...advice so terrible that it proves TM's lack of common sense, which had he possessed even an iota of, he would have called the police) is not something a reasonable person would do.

If your argument is that he didn't know any better, my counter argument is that he had crappy parents who abdicated any responsibilty whatsoever by failing to teach TM to dial 911 when hes in danger. Much like ANY responsible parent does.

So moral absolutism. George Zimmerman did one really stupid thing. He got out of the car after the 911 operator told him it wasn't necessary. TM either was a thug who attacked GZ, was an idiot who ignored his parents advice and acted very unlike a reasonable person, or was the product of terrible parenting and lacked even the most basic bit of common sense.

There is no laws that can make up for TM's actions that night. GZ might well have been a very innocent murder victim that night save for his firearm. There is very clear right and wrong here. The ONLY way you get around that is to present a scenario that is either made up or intentionally omits facts that would cast the situation in a different light.

I dunno if it was shitty parenting. I dunno if it was that TM was an idiot. I dunno if it was that TM was a thug. But its one of those. A rational reading of the facts leads only to those conclusions.

LOL..

dodgerfanjohn says

If your argument is that hes had negative police encounters and therefore cant call the police, my counter argument is that you are a dumbfuck.

Actually he was already out of the car when the operator told him it wasn't necessary. At that point he went looking for the street sign....So according to zimmerman he stopped doing what the 911 operator told him not to do.

dodgerfanjohn says

He got out of the car after the 911 operator told him it wasn't necessary.

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

You probably never seen a crazy man on cocaine with a knife either.

Dan8267 says

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Interesting stereotype there...a white guy shouting "negros" in the ghetto is going to be killed. Do you have a similar stereotype that if a black guy said "where are all the crackers?" he would be killed as well?

robertoaribas says

was it incorrectly presumed to be a bad baby?

Exactly my earlier point: we have a presumption of innocence for the accused, but we are supposed to refrain from attacking the victim.

What did the baby do to provoke this? The baby is responsible for his own death, as far as I'm concerned. He could have just given the killers his stroller and avoided this whole disaster.

Further, the baby is named, "Antonio Santiago" but appears to be white. There are no white Hispanics; that is a term invented by ne'er-do-well liberals who want to divide us all.

The baby had marijuana in his blood stream. He would have grown up to be a gang-banger. The media is trying to make him seem small and angelic, but he was a very large baby! Why is the media trying so hard to make us feel sorry for the unarmed dead baby?!?!?!!? It's a conspiracy!

The baby could have used the sidewalk to defend himself. That means the shooting was justified.

Oh...wait. The killers were black? Cancel everything I said.

The baby is clearly the victim now.

CL says

Exactly my earlier point: we have a presumption of innocence for the accused, but we are supposed to refrain from attacking the victim.

What did the baby do to provoke this? The baby is responsible for his own death, as far as I'm concerned. He could have just given the killers his stroller and avoided this whole disaster.

CL says

Further, the baby is named, "Antonio Santiago" but appears to be white. There are no white Hispanics; that is a term invented by ne'er-do-well liberals who want to divide us all.

The baby had marijuana in his blood stream. He would have grown up to be a gang-banger. The media is trying to make him seem small and angelic, but he was a very large baby! Why si the media trying so hard to make us feel sorry for the unarmed dead baby?!?!?!!? It's a conspiracy!

The baby could have used the sidewalk to defend himself. That means the shooting was justified.

Oh...wait. The killers were black? Cancel everything I said.

The baby is clearly the victim now.

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

ch_tah2 says

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

What 'courtesies' are you talking about that zimmerman got that a black man in the same circumstance did not get? ( link to an example, please )

CL says

The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

CL says

ch_tah2 says

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

Lol you need to become a writer for Sean Hannity, Rachael Maddow, Al Sharpton, or any of the other biased propaganda hacks.

CL says

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

I still don't get it. Zimmerman was Hispanic...what benefit of the doubt are these white supremacists giving this Hispanic?

CL says

They blame the victim.

Maybe some go too far by making stuff up, but to mention that a 17 year old is into drugs, guns, grillz, and fighting and is clearly capable of beating the crap out of a 29 year old seems slightly relevant to the case to me.

CL says

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

It would probably help to provide examples. Extremists on both sides have been making up stuff and stretching things to fit their narrative. I still don't get the white privilege when Zimmerman was Hispanic.

I wonder why we don't hear about knifings on the news every night?

FortWayne says

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

You probably never seen a crazy man on cocaine with a knife either.

because the liberal media is playing the harp for the anti-gun tyrants.

ch_tah2 says

Interesting stereotype there...a white guy shouting "negros" in the ghetto is going to be killed. Do you have a similar stereotype that if a black guy said "where are all the crackers?" he would be killed as well?

Feel free to disprove the idea by running the experiment yourself.

Oh and by the way, my scenario only requires one angry poor man with nothing to lose and a lot of built of hatred. Your racist interpretation that all the blacks will come out with pitch forks reflects your bigotry, not mine. But nice attempt by you and other racist neo-cons to try to twist my words to reflect your prejudices.