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Dan8267 says

Bap33's word usage says all you need to know about his racial views.

I suggest you read up on the word usage before calling someone racist. You pretty much have labeled much of Spanish/Portuguese speaking world of being racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

I will put my money on the strong guy with a gun and quick reflexes over the slow oaf with a gun.

So the gun doesn't level any playing field.

SoftShell says

Guns level the playing field.

Otherwise the strong will dominate the weak.

Your statement below interprets as "The weak love their guns".

And you call them 'stupid'.

So I must conclude that you are one of the 'strong', and it pisses you off to no end that you cannot dominate the 'armed weak'.

Tough shit for you.

StillLooking says

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

curious2 says

Actually the UNCF and NAACP have both kept their names.

I thought the whole UNCF abbreviation was like a KFC thing to get away from "fried".

thomaswong.1986 says

I suggest you read up on the word usage before calling someone racist. You pretty much have labeled much of Spanish/Portuguese speaking world of being racist.

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish. So your Straw Man argument is clearly false. But nice try at making me look bad. Maybe someday you'll actually achieve that goal if you keep trying so hard.

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Dan8267 says

But nice try at making me look bad. Maybe someday you'll actually achieve that goal if you keep trying so hard.

you do that well without anyone's help.

well the weak guy is probably a patnet nerd type wanked out on triple vente cappuccinos...he'll be quick to the draw also...

StillLooking says

I will put my money on the strong guy with a gun and quick reflexes over the slow oaf with a gun.

So the gun doesn't level any playing field.

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Dan8267 says

please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it
with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find
your killers.

ummm ... I think this would be called racist by most everyone on here ... suggesting ghetto people would not follow the law and would be violent against a person over nothing more than speech.... but, I may be wrong.

upisdown says

Screw you ya extremist hack, you pulled some number out of your ass, and I
called you out on it. You provide the proof, to back up your BS.

nope ... I put up truth and you reacted like a common libtarded leftist racistbaiting biggot. No big surprize.

Dan8267 says

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Negro/Blanco ?? and you call yourself Liberal ... more like PC brain washed.

Negro is a common term used in the Americas.

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

Dan8267 says

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Spanish and English aren't the same language and the word "negro" in English doesn't mean the same thing as the word black in Spanish.

Latin... you understand the impact of Latin on English and Spanish language.. you keep harping Science all the time.. yet all things are spoken in Latin root words.

Feel free to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him a negro. Please do that. Pretty please.

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

StillLooking says

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

You mean the drugs not the guns... the gangs make money from drug dealing.

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

thomaswong.1986 says

StillLooking says

I don't think so. And if wasn't for your stinking guns, these black neighborhoods wouldn't be all that dangerous.

You mean the drugs not the guns... the gangs make money from drug dealing.

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

pot, coke, meth, H ... whose gang owns all the blocks and who deals in drugs.

you of all people who lives close to "Capone" country should already know this..

your whole region has been marked by criminal organizations money making.

why do you think there was something called the "Valentine Day Massacre" ?

they stopped the mafia by throwing them in jail..not breaking the 2nd amendment.

you cant be.. how shall we say it.... "uninformed" to be it lightly....

This whole thing has gone awry....

You have the set of people who get their news from Rachel Maddow and The Colbert Report. The people in that subset have lost their initial argument(that Zimmerman was guilty), have lost their second argument(that Zimmerman was probably guilty), and are now left with arguing that the self defense laws are bad and should be amended so that following someone is considered a contributing precursor to manslaughter. Ie if a person sets off a chain of events, even though those actions may in and of themselves be legal, then the person should be guilty of any crimes that then follow. This actually is in fact the law in California, and I presume elsewhere with one(Huge) caveat.....the standard of a reasonable person expecting the end result is applied. Of course the logic leap as applied to Zimmerman/Martin is ....well I can't figure out how you get there.

And what I've found out in addition to the fact that these people are wrong is that theres moral absolutism that needs to be applied here.

Trayvon Martin never should have called The Weeble. He should have called the police. He should have left the area(if he could have). He never should have confronted George Zimmerman.

If your argument is that hes had negative police encounters and therefore cant call the police, my counter argument is that you are a dumbfuck. A reasonable person, even one with negative police encounters(like say myself) would be smart enough to distinguish between oh say marijuana possession where the cop hooks you up and bangs your head into the police car as he seats you vs. calling someone who might save your life in a life threatening situation. Not calling the police when in danger, and instead calling your weeble shaped friend(who incidently gave TM basically the worst advice ever...advice so terrible that it proves TM's lack of common sense, which had he possessed even an iota of, he would have called the police) is not something a reasonable person would do.

If your argument is that he didn't know any better, my counter argument is that he had crappy parents who abdicated any responsibilty whatsoever by failing to teach TM to dial 911 when hes in danger. Much like ANY responsible parent does.

So moral absolutism. George Zimmerman did one really stupid thing. He got out of the car after the 911 operator told him it wasn't necessary. TM either was a thug who attacked GZ, was an idiot who ignored his parents advice and acted very unlike a reasonable person, or was the product of terrible parenting and lacked even the most basic bit of common sense.

There is no laws that can make up for TM's actions that night. GZ might well have been a very innocent murder victim that night save for his firearm. There is very clear right and wrong here. The ONLY way you get around that is to present a scenario that is either made up or intentionally omits facts that would cast the situation in a different light.

I dunno if it was shitty parenting. I dunno if it was that TM was an idiot. I dunno if it was that TM was a thug. But its one of those. A rational reading of the facts leads only to those conclusions.

LOL..

dodgerfanjohn says

If your argument is that hes had negative police encounters and therefore cant call the police, my counter argument is that you are a dumbfuck.

Actually he was already out of the car when the operator told him it wasn't necessary. At that point he went looking for the street sign....So according to zimmerman he stopped doing what the 911 operator told him not to do.

dodgerfanjohn says

He got out of the car after the 911 operator told him it wasn't necessary.

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

You probably never seen a crazy man on cocaine with a knife either.

Dan8267 says

If you can't find Tyson, please walk through the ghetto shouting "Where are all the negros?". Record it with your mobile phone and post it on YouTube. That will help the police find your killers.

Interesting stereotype there...a white guy shouting "negros" in the ghetto is going to be killed. Do you have a similar stereotype that if a black guy said "where are all the crackers?" he would be killed as well?

robertoaribas says

was it incorrectly presumed to be a bad baby?

Exactly my earlier point: we have a presumption of innocence for the accused, but we are supposed to refrain from attacking the victim.

What did the baby do to provoke this? The baby is responsible for his own death, as far as I'm concerned. He could have just given the killers his stroller and avoided this whole disaster.

Further, the baby is named, "Antonio Santiago" but appears to be white. There are no white Hispanics; that is a term invented by ne'er-do-well liberals who want to divide us all.

The baby had marijuana in his blood stream. He would have grown up to be a gang-banger. The media is trying to make him seem small and angelic, but he was a very large baby! Why is the media trying so hard to make us feel sorry for the unarmed dead baby?!?!?!!? It's a conspiracy!

The baby could have used the sidewalk to defend himself. That means the shooting was justified.

Oh...wait. The killers were black? Cancel everything I said.

The baby is clearly the victim now.

CL says

Exactly my earlier point: we have a presumption of innocence for the accused, but we are supposed to refrain from attacking the victim.

What did the baby do to provoke this? The baby is responsible for his own death, as far as I'm concerned. He could have just given the killers his stroller and avoided this whole disaster.

CL says

Further, the baby is named, "Antonio Santiago" but appears to be white. There are no white Hispanics; that is a term invented by ne'er-do-well liberals who want to divide us all.

The baby had marijuana in his blood stream. He would have grown up to be a gang-banger. The media is trying to make him seem small and angelic, but he was a very large baby! Why si the media trying so hard to make us feel sorry for the unarmed dead baby?!?!?!!? It's a conspiracy!

The baby could have used the sidewalk to defend himself. That means the shooting was justified.

Oh...wait. The killers were black? Cancel everything I said.

The baby is clearly the victim now.

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

ch_tah2 says

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

What 'courtesies' are you talking about that zimmerman got that a black man in the same circumstance did not get? ( link to an example, please )

CL says

The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

CL says

ch_tah2 says

Not entirely sure what the point of this was...but it's worth keeping.

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

Lol you need to become a writer for Sean Hannity, Rachael Maddow, Al Sharpton, or any of the other biased propaganda hacks.

CL says

It means that there is a double standard, both in the justice system and in the politics surrounding crime and punishment. The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

I still don't get it. Zimmerman was Hispanic...what benefit of the doubt are these white supremacists giving this Hispanic?

CL says

They blame the victim.

Maybe some go too far by making stuff up, but to mention that a 17 year old is into drugs, guns, grillz, and fighting and is clearly capable of beating the crap out of a 29 year old seems slightly relevant to the case to me.

CL says

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

It would probably help to provide examples. Extremists on both sides have been making up stuff and stretching things to fit their narrative. I still don't get the white privilege when Zimmerman was Hispanic.

I wonder why we don't hear about knifings on the news every night?

FortWayne says

StillLooking says

It is the guns that make the neighborhoods dangerous.

I have never seen anybody shot by a marijuana cigarette.

You probably never seen a crazy man on cocaine with a knife either.

because the liberal media is playing the harp for the anti-gun tyrants.

ch_tah2 says

Interesting stereotype there...a white guy shouting "negros" in the ghetto is going to be killed. Do you have a similar stereotype that if a black guy said "where are all the crackers?" he would be killed as well?

Feel free to disprove the idea by running the experiment yourself.

Oh and by the way, my scenario only requires one angry poor man with nothing to lose and a lot of built of hatred. Your racist interpretation that all the blacks will come out with pitch forks reflects your bigotry, not mine. But nice attempt by you and other racist neo-cons to try to twist my words to reflect your prejudices.

Dan8267 says

Feel free to disprove the idea by running the experiment yourself.

Oh and by the way, my scenario only requires one angry poor man with nothing to lose and a lot of built of hatred. Your racist interpretation that all the blacks will come out with pitch forks reflects your bigotry, not mine. But nice attempt by you and other racist neo-cons to try to twist my words to reflect your prejudices.

Interesting spin. I just asked you a question. You think a white guy would be killed for words whereas a black guy wouldn't. Just curious why you think this. And by your response it seems like you are condoning this behavior.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not a neo-con. It is possible for relatively liberal people to not view the Zimmerman trial as evil white guy hunts down innocent black child.

Dan8267 says

Your racist interpretation that all the blacks will come out with pitch forks reflects your bigotry, not mine.

By the way, if adding "all the blacks will come out with pitchforks" is bigotry, you better start looking in the mirror. My comment never mentioned anything even close to that. Why would you add such language? Are you a bigot?

Freudian slip.

That just supports my theory that all the liberals that want zimmerman hung project that thought to suppress the internal guilt they feel due to the sins of their ancestors. I was not aware Florida had plantations back in the early 1800's. You learn something new every day.

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Your racist interpretation that all the blacks will come out with pitch forks reflects your bigotry, not mine.

By the way, if adding "all the blacks will come out with pitchforks" is bigotry, you better start looking in the mirror. My comment never mentioned anything even close to that. Why would you add such language? Are you a bigot?

ch_tah2 says

By the way, if adding "all the blacks will come out with pitchforks" is bigotry, you better start looking in the mirror. My comment never mentioned anything even close to that. Why would you add such language? Are you a bigot?

What you are doing is called a Straw Man argument and it is a transparent attempt to twist a person's words into meaning the opposite of what they really do. Such an argument shows a distinct lack of respect for the audience as making it reveals that you assume the audience is so stupid that they will fall for the Straw Man argument.

Dan8267 says

What you are doing is called a Straw Man argument and it is a transparent attempt to twist a person's words into meaning the opposite of what they really do. Such an argument shows a distinct lack of respect for the audience as making it reveals that you assume the audience is so stupid that they will fall for the Straw Man argument.

No, actually what you did was make a straw man argument by adding words which I never said. What I am doing is called quoting, or technically paraphrasing, what you said. Again, that mirror is waiting for you.

Is this like a "double secret agent strawman" kinda thing?

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

What you are doing is called a Straw Man argument and it is a transparent attempt to twist a person's words into meaning the opposite of what they really do. Such an argument shows a distinct lack of respect for the audience as making it reveals that you assume the audience is so stupid that they will fall for the Straw Man argument.

No, actually what you did was make a straw man argument by adding words which I never said. What I am doing is called quoting, or technically paraphrasing, what you said. Again, that mirror is waiting for you.

imagine if TM had been shot in Bengazi ... wow, that would toss some poo into the Obamanation Media Control gears, wouldn't it.?

imagine if Dan Pearl look like Lord Barry, or TM, or wore a hoodie ... man, those carzy arabs would be in double trouble.

a repub taps his shoe under a toilet stall and quits his post when he is pointed out as a deviant looking for sex (nothing took place other than the tapping and the stepping down) ...... a demoncrat send pictures out and sexts his white arse off to the max and he is held up as the example demoncrat, praised by Pelosi for his war on women. (he lied, got caught, attacked Brightbart, and was found to continue the lies and perversion) Those on the left support his deviant behavior. Freaks.

ch_tah2 says

I still don't get it. Zimmerman was Hispanic...what benefit of the doubt are these white supremacists giving this Hispanic?

First of all, I didn't say they were "white supremacists", I said they are people who are protecting their privilege, consciously or not.

In most parts of the world there is a hierarchy, and it is based on skin color. In most cases, the "whiter" one is given priority.

In Mexico, it is better to be Spanish/White, than it is to be Indian. It is better to be Indian than it is to be Black.

In America, it is better to be anything but black as well. Therefore, the system and those who seek to protect it, give the deference to the "whiter" of the two.

If the victim had been white, instead of black, the deference would have almost certainly gone to the victim.

South Americans who enjoy their privilege in their native countries quickly they find out they have no such privilege in America, where all such Spanish-speaking people are treated the same...as "Mexicans".

CL says

f the victim had been white, instead of black, the deference would have almost
certainly gone to the victim.

you are a racist

CL says

South Americans who enjoy their privilege in their native countries quickly
they find out they have no such privilege in America, where all such
Spanish-speaking people are treated the same...as "Mexicans".

that explains why America has such a hard time getting any spanish speakers from the south to invade, huh?

CL says

The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

+1

Yep. But you're gonna get called "race baiter" for that kind of talk.

marcus says

CL says

The supporters of Zimmerman do so in a thinly veiled racist way. The extend courtesies to Zimmerman that they never extend to blacks.

They blame the victim.

They make up shit that makes it seem like those who oppose racism are REALLY the racists. They do anything to protect their white privilege, including lying to themselves.

+1

Yep. But you're gonna get called "race baiter" for that kind of talk.

No, he will get called an idiot for making a bunch of bullshit not the least of which is "white privilege".

Either its a fantasy make believe concept or the rest of the whiteys secretly voted my ass out without my consent or knowledge, and then failed to inform me that I'd been voted out.

I'm going with fantasy make believe.